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So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even an external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is bricked.
 
There have been Big Sur updates that has tremendously improved the read/write speeds of my SSD. If you are still having doubts, you should buy AppleCare + for your mac.
Exactly this! Get AppleCare. I just got the new iMac and like any other M1 model it's all on one board. If something fails that probably means the whole board will need to be replaced. This is a non issue if you have AppleCare
 
There have been Big Sur updates that has tremendously improved the read/write speeds of my SSD. If you are still having doubts, you should buy AppleCare + for your mac.

Exactly this! Get AppleCare. I just got the new iMac and like any other M1 model it's all on one board. If something fails that probably means the whole board will need to be replaced. This is a non issue if you have AppleCare

While that is a solution, you have to know that buying insurance for a computer is a joke of a solution.
 
I dont know about you guys, but here in Sweden we can take our broken Macs on our home insurance, and pay around 150 bucks and either get it fixed or get a new one...

My macbook 2017 got a broken screen for two weeks ago, and i got a M1 macbook air instead and only had to pay 150 dollars.
 

So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even an external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is bricked.
Thats fckd if you ask me.
Users should have a choice whether to allow booting from external drive or not.
Im not surprised one cant boot their smartphones or tablets from external storage, but laptops/desktops?!
 
While that is a solution, you have to know that buying insurance for a computer is a joke of a solution.
Right! If you do buy a brand new computer for 1000$+(my ultimate would be a 2049$ 16gb 2tb Air at this point), I would spend the extra money and buy the insurance. It's sad that you really have to do that, but accidents do happen, and sometimes it seems, their hardware has issues at no fault of the user... I am so careful and aware of my devices, but things do happen. For that amount of money, I would expect their hardware to work well for several years. I like most of their products, but I don't like some of the things they do. That recent keyboard nightmare, insufficient cooling, design faults like that. For the most part their products are quite good. I still have a 6S+, and this 2015 Air. I wouldn't have a problem with their products if they would make the standard components replaceable, and EASILY user replaceable. I bought this used Air and at least I can replace the battery and the SSD. I suppose at some point in the near future I'll have to get a newer phone, and hopefully sometime further in the future, I'll get another Air, as a better screen would be nice. I just wish at least the memory, storage, battery, keyboard, trackpad, screen were easily user replaceable, and they would design their boards better with good liquid protection somehow, and not putting a 48v power line right next to a 3v data line in a connector, or making it so you can open your MBP and the display not blanking out, you know, dumb stuff like that.
 
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Also, AppleCare won’t bring back your data if the drive dies.
Backups *will*, but plenty of people think backups are beneath them, and would rather blame someone else when they lose data.

Computers *always* die. Or take a swim. Or are left in a coffee shop. Or on the roof of a car. Etc.

If the data is not backed up, then it's not important to you.
 
This isn’t new news. It has been known from the start.
by who? it certainly wasn't' obvious to those who relied on the feature

this is quite unfortunate

I dont know about you guys, but here in Sweden we can take our broken Macs on our home insurance, and pay around 150 bucks and either get it fixed or get a new one...

My macbook 2017 got a broken screen for two weeks ago, and i got a M1 macbook air instead and only had to pay 150 dollars.
here in the US, it is wise to not make a home insurance claim on less than your deductible (usually 2000 or so) and especially if not a home related issue or be at risk of being dropped from making too many claims.

Backups *will*, but plenty of people think backups are beneath them, and would rather blame someone else when they lose data.

Computers *always* die. Or take a swim. Or are left in a coffee shop. Or on the roof of a car. Etc.

If the data is not backed up, then it's not important to you.
except in the past, you could take out the hdd and you know, access it after the computer stopped working
 
Also, AppleCare won’t bring back your data if the drive dies.
Right! ALWAYS HAVE A BACKUP Plan and Execute it!!! and Multiples!! in different locales! Not 2 in your house only. Have one offsite somewhere, and rotate them!
 
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Backups *will*, but plenty of people think backups are beneath them, and would rather blame someone else when they lose data.

Computers *always* die. Or take a swim. Or are left in a coffee shop. Or on the roof of a car. Etc.

If the data is not backed up, then it's not important to you.
While I'm totally with you on the importance of backups (I have several), I know how many of my friends and family members are too lazy to do this and mostly bank on the reliability of SSDs and Macs in general. If there's something that can be done to reduce unnecessary wear on these drives, Apple should be doing it, especially since they've been so user-hostile as to solder them to the boards.
 
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While I'm totally with you on the importance of backups (I have several), I know how many of my friends and family members are too lazy to do this and mostly bank on the reliability of SSDs and Macs in general. If there's something that can be done to reduce unnecessary wear on these drives, Apple should be doing it, especially since they've been so user-hostile as to solder them to the boards.
There is a huge thread addressing the SSD issue in M1 issue. That thread seems to be in the agreement that macOS 11.4 has quietly resolved the issueS.
 
There is a huge thread addressing the SSD issue in M1 issue. That thread seems to be in the agreement that macOS 11.4 has quietly resolved the issueS.
Yup, fully aware. I'm talking about reducing wear in general, not specifically this one issue.
 
Backups *will*, but plenty of people think backups are beneath them, and would rather blame someone else when they lose data.

Computers *always* die. Or take a swim. Or are left in a coffee shop. Or on the roof of a car. Etc.

If the data is not backed up, then it's not important to you.
Exactly. I work in cloud computing, and the mantra is "everything fails, all the time". You plan for failure in your design so that there is always redundancy, failover and automated backups, versioning and restore paths.

How often you backup, and how many copies you maintain depends on the importance of the data.

My personal setup for my Macs is:
1) personal data / work / documents or other important stuff is in folders that are automatically synced to cloud storage (Dropbox, Google Drive or iCloud)
2) Time Machine running locally, to external disk when travelling, or to NAS when at home
3) Carbon Copy Cloner images taken once a week or before any OS update. (creates bootable copies)
4) Additional physical backup disks of important stuff (docs, photos) and stored in a safe or offsite
5) Cloud sync to backup my cloud copies to a secondary cloud storage (so if Dropbox fails, my stuff is also on Google)
 
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While I'm totally with you on the importance of backups (I have several), I know how many of my friends and family members are too lazy to do this and mostly bank on the reliability of SSDs and Macs in general. If there's something that can be done to reduce unnecessary wear on these drives, Apple should be doing it, especially since they've been so user-hostile as to solder them to the boards.
MacOS 11.4 has fixed most of the excessive SSD write issues on M1 (or other) Macs.

That said, you should always assume that your internal drive could fail catastrophically at any time (or you could simply lose or damage the computer), so anything on the drive without backup should be considered temporary and disposable.

It's easy to re-image the computer with a new OS and restore from a backup. Not so easy to rewrite all your documents or re-take all your photos :cool:
 
MacOS 11.4 has fixed most of the excessive SSD write issues on M1 (or other) Macs.
Yup, fully aware. I'm talking about reducing wear in general, not specifically this one issue.

That said, you should always assume that your internal drive could fail catastrophically at any time (or you could simply lose or damage the computer), so anything on the drive without backup should be considered temporary and disposable.
Again, totally agree, but that doesn't mean you can't also expect drives to last a long time.

It's easy to re-image the computer with a new OS and restore from a backup. Not so easy to rewrite all your documents or re-take all your photos :cool:
Yup, no argument there.
 
1) personal data / work / documents or other important stuff is in folders that are automatically synced to cloud storage (Dropbox, Google Drive or iCloud)
I wouldn't ever call Dropbox or Google Drive a backup, of course. I back *them* up, to my Synology.

Wouldn't ever use iCloud for anything I cared about, of course... between Apple's general incompetence at services and the fact that you can't back it up, there's just no reason to.
 
I know how many of my friends and family members are too lazy to do this and mostly bank on the reliability of SSDs and Macs in general.
I stopped being support for friends and especially family years ago. I do that in my professional life, I have zero reason to do it in my personal life. What they break, what they lose, is their own problem.
 
the fact that you can't back it up
I back up my iCloud data very easily. It’s in the cloud of course, but it is also stored locally on my machine because it is synced. When I back up my machine, the iCloud data is included.
 
I stopped being support for friends and especially family years ago. I do that in my professional life, I have zero reason to do it in my personal life. What they break, what they lose, is their own problem.
Okay? That still doesn't change my point that I'd prefer if Apple did whatever they could to reduce wear on soldered drives.
 
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