How can iPhone 8's OS ever be stable at launch?

deuxani

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My iPad Mini 4 is running the latest iOS 11 Beta and it surprises me how many visual bugs and glitches there are. Next to that I have an iPhone 7 Plus on iOS 10.3.3 which also has some reproducible visual glitches.

That made me think. The iPhone 8 (call it how you like) will introduce a lot of new software elements:

- Home button area which can hide and change in size
- New animations for FaceID
- New area left and right of the notch (maybe a split status bar)
- Other things we can't imagine at this moment

The iPhone 7 Plus is almost a year on the market and is being used by millions of people, iOS 11 Beta is being tested for months by many developers and the general public, but the iPhone 8.... only deep inside Apple.

I would love to be proven wrong, but I think early adopters might become beta testers here.
 

michael9891

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You could say the same of any new phone, not tested by the public, just the company. Nothing is perfect and you'll always get people moaning about being beta testers and to wait for the next model.
 

Relentless Power

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You could say the same of any new phone, not tested by the public, just the company. Nothing is perfect and you'll always get people moaning about being beta testers and to wait for the next model.
That's one thing I like about Apple, they are consistently releasing updates to better iOS and reduce issues iPhone users encounter and better the experience. Software is mebrr perfect, but it's the efficiency behind the updates that assist with fluidity of iOS.
 
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michael9891

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That's one thing I like about Apple, they are consistently releasing updates to better iOS and reduce issues iPhone users encounter and better the experience. Software is mebrr perfect, but it's the efficiency behind the updates that assist with fluidity of iOS.
Now if a product came out without any updates to correct issues, I could understand people being upset. But for the vast majority of iPhone users, updates sort out any issues.
 
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deuxani

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You could say the same of any new phone, not tested by the public, just the company. Nothing is perfect and you'll always get people moaning about being beta testers and to wait for the next model.
But in most of those cases we are talking about a known and tested OS. This is iOS 11 (which is now in a pretty glitchy beta phase) with on top of that total new software additions for one specific model.


True. Everyone should definitely avoid buying the new iPhone (so I can get one at launch lol).
I will buy the iPhone 8 on launch day if I can get it, that's not the thing here :) I'm just wondering if they will be able to create a solid day one experience, because software wise Apple is not doing so great lately.
 

thadoggfather

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Mini 4 could be getting the least amount of development love even compared to air 2 which is similar minus the graphics portion of a8x in terms of how many people have em

It probably still won't be great, x.0 on brand new hardware like always, but not specifically because the mini 4 beta run has been weak
 

joeblow7777

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People worry too much.
Not saying that the "iPhone 8" will be perfect, but a lot of skilled people have been working very hard and have been paid a lot of money to make sure that this phone doesn't ruin the reputation of a multi-billion dollar company that is now best known for creating some of the most usable smartphones in existence. I have no reason to expect that the "iPhone 8" will deliver a subpar experience. Not after Apple has been doing this for 10 years. It's certainly not something that I will worry about pre-launch.
 
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deuxani

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Mini 4 could be getting the least amount of development love even compared to air 2 which is similar minus the graphics portion of a8x in terms of how many people have em

It probably still won't be great, x.0 on brand new hardware like always, but not specifically because the mini 4 beta run has been weak
Yeah, you might be right about that.

People worry too much.
Not saying that the "iPhone 8" will be perfect, but a lot of skilled people have been working very hard and have been paid a lot of money to make sure that this phone doesn't ruin the reputation of a multi-billion dollar company that is now best known for creating some of the most usable smartphones in existence. I have no reason to expect that the "iPhone 8" will deliver a subpar experience. Not after Apple has been doing this for 10 years. It's certainly not something that I will worry about pre-launch.
The iPhone 7 Plus is Apple's flagship phone, it got all the love and attention it needed. Millions have been using it outside of Apple and even with all the feedback they get/got, it still has strange glitches and bugs. Next to that, it's basically a glorified 6 and 6S. So 3 years of software development by Apple and millions of users giving feedback and it still has these small things not fixed.

That's why I'm just wondering how an iPhone 8 with strangely cut screen, new on screen buttons and functionality, different aspect ratio for apps, new FaceID hardware features, etc. ever be stable when only a very very small group is testing it. There will be so many customised software changes specifically for the iPhone 8.

I'm just starting a discussion based upon my experience and thinking. I will be ordering it on launch day, but I have a hard time thinking it could be a perfectly smooth experience from the start.
 

Newtons Apple

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My iPad Mini 4 is running the latest iOS 11 Beta and it surprises me how many visual bugs and glitches there are. Next to that I have an iPhone 7 Plus on iOS 10.3.3 which also has some reproducible visual glitches.

That made me think. The iPhone 8 (call it how you like) will introduce a lot of new software elements:

- Home button area which can hide and change in size
- New animations for FaceID
- New area left and right of the notch (maybe a split status bar)
- Other things we can't imagine at this moment

The iPhone 7 Plus is almost a year on the market and is being used by millions of people, iOS 11 Beta is being tested for months by many developers and the general public, but the iPhone 8.... only deep inside Apple.

I would love to be proven wrong, but I think early adopters might become beta testers here.
Please keep discouraging everyone so I have no problems at 3am getting this phone ordered.
 

joeblow7777

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Yeah, you might be right about that.



The iPhone 7 Plus is Apple's flagship phone, it got all the love and attention it needed. Millions have been using it outside of Apple and even with all the feedback they get/got, it still has strange glitches and bugs. Next to that, it's basically a glorified 6 and 6S. So 3 years of software development by Apple and millions of users giving feedback and it still has these small things not fixed.

That's why I'm just wondering how an iPhone 8 with strangely cut screen, new on screen buttons and functionality, different aspect ratio for apps, new FaceID hardware features, etc. ever be stable when only a very very small group is testing it. There will be so many customised software changes specifically for the iPhone 8.

I'm just starting a discussion based upon my experience and thinking. I will be ordering it on launch day, but I have a hard time thinking it could be a perfectly smooth experience from the start.
Every device in the world that is more complex than an abacus has bugs ans glitches. When it comes to iPhones, most of them (Beta versions of the OS notwithstanding) are very minor, and most of the millions of people using the device won't even notice or care. I always say that sites such as this foster a kind of tech hypochondria, where small or relatively rare problems get blown way out of proportion.

Will the "iPhone 8" have bugs at launch? Probably. Will Apple release a device that isn't "stable"? I think they'd delay the launch or leave out certain features before putting out a flagship that doesn't function properly. I don't agree with or like everything that Apple does, and I've been quite critical of some of their moves, but I won't deny that when all is said and done, they are the experts at this, not us.
 

temna

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My iPad Mini 4 is running the latest iOS 11 Beta and it surprises me how many visual bugs and glitches there are. Next to that I have an iPhone 7 Plus on iOS 10.3.3 which also has some reproducible visual glitches.

That made me think. The iPhone 8 (call it how you like) will introduce a lot of new software elements:

- Home button area which can hide and change in size
- New animations for FaceID
- New area left and right of the notch (maybe a split status bar)
- Other things we can't imagine at this moment

The iPhone 7 Plus is almost a year on the market and is being used by millions of people, iOS 11 Beta is being tested for months by many developers and the general public, but the iPhone 8.... only deep inside Apple.

I would love to be proven wrong, but I think early adopters might become beta testers here.
What if it is already rock solid on the 8, and the problems are getting it solid on older phones and tablets?
 
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