How can it be so bad?

Discussion in 'Apple Music, Apple Pay, iCloud, Apple Services' started by RCedit, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. RCedit macrumors newbie

    Mar 18, 2008
    I don't understand how Apple can be so bad at the email game. Even after they made fun of themselves about MobileMe, they proceed to put out the worst email client in the world. I understand that Gmail might be better. But why is it 100X's better? I mean, I dig syncing across all my devices and having purchases ready for download and sharing a calendar with my wife and yada yada yada. But can you please load my friggin email page every once in a while? WTF???
  2. miles01110 macrumors Core


    Jul 24, 2006
    The Ivory Tower (I'm not coming down)
    Loads fine for me, but I still think iCloud e-mail is a joke compared to GMail.
  3. d21mike macrumors 68040


    Jul 11, 2007
    Torrance, CA
    #3 had a lot of the same problems we are having with I.E. Very slow when it worked. Calendars Subscriptions can not be done. However, the related Apps on the iOS Devices and on on the Mac have always work great (at least very good) for me. However, I have noticed that the PUSH Email has not been working all the time (under iCloud). Sometimes (not often) I have to go into the App to find out I have Mail waiting to download. I assume this part will eventually iron itself out. However, I am not convinced the web interface will. Anyway, I have recommend people simply do not use the web interface unless the have too.
  4. RCedit thread starter macrumors newbie

    Mar 18, 2008
    Doesn't push (or pushes intermittently), can't check other POP accounts, web interface is soooo slow and kicks me off at random, doesn't alert when rules sends an email to custom folders.
    I just don't know what they're thinking. At some point Jobs, Cook, and everyone else signed off on this piece of ****. Then they couched it as the answer to the admittedly woeful MobileMe.
    One can pilot the space shuttle with an iPhone but they cant get me my email?
  5. PNutts macrumors 601


    Jul 24, 2008
    Pacific Northwest, US
    If iCloud e-mail doesn't offer the features you need then you should use a different service. Some of the problems you describe sound like they could be specific to your system.
  6. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604


    May 28, 2005
    It sounds like his specific system could be an iPhone.
  7. bier-meister macrumors regular

    Nov 25, 2008
    Hamburg, Germany
    I ended up switching back to googles services. I think it's fairly simple here, if you need to use any of the web services online then google is the answer, otherwise if you only use your devices to access them then apple is the answer.
  8. RCedit thread starter macrumors newbie

    Mar 18, 2008
    It's not just features I'm looking for, it's functionality. And my "system" you refer too are iPhones, iPads, and Macbooks. Am I using the wrong hardware????

    Look, I get the work-arounds: Don't use the web based interface, switch to Gmail (so much for trying to be a loyal customer), etc. I'm just baffled that a company whose slogan is "It just works" would unveil such a highly anticipated product that just....doesn't.
  9. PNutts, Oct 26, 2011
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2011

    PNutts macrumors 601


    Jul 24, 2008
    Pacific Northwest, US
    When the OP mentioned the web interface and push mail, the assumption was he was using an iDevice and a PC/Mac. "System" meaning the particular device and a particular problem.

    Everything I use works. Everything that iCloud doesn't offer, well, doesn't work because it doesn't exist. You're mixing problems specific to you (making an assumption on what this means) "kicked out of web interface" and feature requests. Since it's all over the place it's difficult to speak to.

    Edit: Fixed quotes.
  10. phinsup macrumors 6502


    Sep 19, 2008
    Las vegas
    I've found the push to be very unreliable, if I send a test message to my gmail and me account at the same time the gmail one shows up instantly the me one does most of the time. However there are times when it doesn't show up unless i open mail.

    The contacts are only edited if I edit them on my phone. If i edit them on the cloud or my macbook pro it creates a new contact in the could, then on my phone and then back on my mac with the new information and the old one remains as an existing contact unchanged.

    And the worst part for me has been the apple id fiasco. Apple doesn't seem to have a very good system in place for auditing and troubleshooting the apple id system. They can't tell me if my email is in use, they can't tell me what apple id's I have and the fact that the transition from me to iCloud created a new apple id in the name of an email that they can't attach to the id itself baffles me.

    All in all I am pretty disappointed in the whole thing to be honest. I'm glad I didn't get all excited about iCloud and tell my friends how great it was going to be.... oh wait.
  11. RCedit thread starter macrumors newbie

    Mar 18, 2008
    I guess I'm both disappointed in the lack of features and frustrated at the functionality of the email. Again, my emails push very intermittently and if I'm dormant on the web interface for more than a minute or two I get logged off. And then when I do have to log back on it often takes several minutes and a few tries.
    I also like syncing and downloading previous purchases from iTunes and calendar sharing, etc. - it just seems to me (and evidently I'm completely wrong about this) that providing a robust, feature rich email client that is dependable and timely would be a piece of cake considering the scope of everything else they do.
  12. ugahairydawgs macrumors 68030


    Jun 10, 2010
    Based on Apple's history with online services the shortcomings of iCloud really shouldn't be catching anyone by surprise.
  13. PNutts macrumors 601


    Jul 24, 2008
    Pacific Northwest, US
    I'm hopeful that these are issues with a rocky rollout. Many others are reporting push issues. This is the first I've seen with getting kicked out. When the iCloud is angry it rejects credentials.

    Edit: I should say that I agree it is a very basic e-mail client. I can't decide if that's Apple's intent from a minimalist design standpoint or they decided to not compete with the big names.
  14. dwtd macrumors newbie

    Oct 8, 2009
    Chicago, IL
    RCedit, I share your frustration. As much as I love Apple they just can't seem to figure out email. The iCloud transition has been shaky at best. I'm a big Apple fan but even as I type this there is a huge iCloud mail server outage.

    As far as those who claim to have no Apple troubles, I'm very happy for you. You are clearly better people than the rest and those experiencing issues are clearly trolls.
  15. Noisemaker Guest

    Mar 13, 2009
    Thanks. It's good for underlings to know their place.
  16. nampramos macrumors 6502

    Dec 14, 2010
    It really sucks...

    I want to switch and leave my gmail but still wasn't able to.

    Keep getting errors on iPhone that it can't connect.

    Mail app on my Mac keeps asking me for my password and afterwords not accepting it.

    Basically, I just can't use my e-mail.
  17. GaryPDX macrumors member

    Mar 8, 2008
    Portland, OR USA
    For those of us who have Core Duo or below machines in the mix, iCloud is a non-starter. This is despite the fact that, for example, the calendar is CalDAV just like MobileMe and Google Calendars. Last weekend I got Google Calendars working great on old and new machines, plus my 3GS iPhone (soon to be replaced by a 4S). It has multiple calendars, color coding, etc. Getting multiple Google calendars to work was insanely easy once I found the insanely difficult to find configuration page. The Google Calendars work within the iPhone native Calendar app, which is pretty cool.

    If Apple relents and makes iCloud Snow Leopard compatible I am not so sure I will come running back. Being with MobileMe, I have until next June to get stuff in order, although I have a parallel cloud solution with Google and may just switch over to it entirely after I get my iPhone 4S.
  18. sbbluewater macrumors member

    Mar 2, 2011
    I decided to wait on the e-mail for now and just set up the contacts and calendar. So far all appointments flow through fine. Had major issues with the contacts/address book last week. The cloud would randomly change data. This week things are much better and both are working great among multiple devices and platforms. Updating or adding new contacts or appointments migrates to all my other devices almost with the blink of an eye. Found that the contacts/address book is very touchy especially when using Outlook 2007 on a W7 machine and using the cloud. The data fields in the v-cards and how they translate to the Apple contacts are very fragile and not well defined. Once I figured out a specific sequence of steps to take it worked great. If the current performance is maintained then I will be very happy with the iCloud ecosystem.

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