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How can there not be a “perfect year” award?
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All challenges and closed all three rings everyday.
I mean, yeah, I wasn‘t doing it for the reward, per se, but it would be cool to see an award for 12 monthly challenges, one for closing the rings every day, and maybe even one for both.
Would be nice yeah. I know I never get award for it but still did try complete perfect year all rings close every and complete all challenge.
Why doesn't that same... "logic"... apply to days, weeks, and months?
Practically speaking, if goals are "too low" if they can be met every day for a year, they're way too low for any given day.
It’s conceivable that you can go hard for a day, week, even a month. There are training plans I do for running where I run myself right into the ground. There’s no way I could sustain that for an entire year, though.
I stand by my statement that if you can hit your goal every day for 365 days, your goal is way too easy.
A. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether there should be an award for it. For the monthly challenges, in particular, Apple sets them.
B. You’re not really in a position to judge whether walking 11 miles a day, or whatever, is way too easy for someone. Sometimes the challenge is just getting up and doing it.
C. The idea that a goal is only sufficient if it can’t met is fundamentally flawed.
D. If you can’t do it 365 times, maybe the problem isn‘t with the goal.
No, someone responding to your statements. That you want to make it personal speaks to the lack of strength in your position.
But maybe you can let Apple know that their goal algorithm doesn’t meet your rigorous standards for providing challenging activities.
I know a tech forum isn’t going to be a hotbed for athletes, but a challenge is a challenge. As a lifelong competitive athlete, goals are too soft if you can meet them every time. Being able to do something every day is not a challenge. It is simply routine and routine deserves no special acknowledgment. I don’t understand why that’s so hard for you to grasp. My challenges are ridiculous, I have to run or walk over 251 miles this month. I’m probably not going to meet it. But that’s Ok, the point is to be a goal I may not reach. I expect to miss some of the challenges because being challenged includes failure. If you’re never failing, you’re not challenging yourself enough. Since this irks you so much, it tells me that deep down you know that you’re not challenged enough.
And yes, even if someone walks 11 miles a day, if they’re able to do that every single day for a year, it’s not a challenge and their goal should be different. I run 160-170 miles a month. That’s not a challenge for me. That would break other people. So the challenge is relative to the person’s ability, nonetheless, being able to meet your personal challenge everyday makes it not a challenge.
If you don’t know someone’s objectives, you have no rational basis for concluding his objectives are far too low. Period. Further, you don’t get to decide what someone’s objective should be.
Since the abstract doesn’t seem to be clicking for you, I’ll make it concrete.
For 2020, among my goals were to maintain my cardio fitness and endurance as well as be able to eat a little more without gaining weight. In pursuit of those objectives, I set a goal of 1500 movement calories per day. (Exercise minutes and standing fall in place behind that.) On 1/1/2021 compared to 1/1/2020:
VO2 Max was improved
Pace was improved
Resting heart rate was improved
I lost three pounds.
I met my objectives by meeting my movement goal. On what rational basis can you say my goal was “way too low”? If anything, it was very slightly too high for my objectives.
As far as being “routine,” doing that for 366 days — more, really, because I went into the year with a long streak — is only “routine” because I’ve gotten up at 3:00AM to do it when that was required. Or because I’ve walked in pouring rain multiple times, sub-freezing temperatures multiple times, and in freezing rain or snow multiple times. I was up at 2:00AM on Christmas to get my movement in before starting the rest of my activities that day because I wouldn’t have had a big enough block of time to do it at any other point. If you think that’s “routine,” we’re operating on different definitions of the word.
As far as walking or running 251 miles this month being ridiculous, see the attached.
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That’s all great for you! Again, if you are able to do it every day, it is not a challenge for you. Bless your heart and have a lovely 2021.
Again, if you think getting up at 2:00AM -- or being in the rain, cold, sleet, or whatever for a couple of hours, no matter if you feel like it or not -- to make sure the goal is met isn't a challenge then that's another word you appear to be using differently than most.
By your... "logic"... if I decided to sleep in a couple of days and lost my streak then I'd be challenged the other 364 but since I got up and did it even if I wasn't 100%, I wasn't challenged. That you can't see the logical flaw in that explains the rest of your posts.
Wow that impressive able do that whole 2020.
I able get all 12 challenges in 2020 and it is challenging for me achieve all 12 months challenges. Normal life I wouldn't able do this. Some months I can achieve challenge and some months I cannot. My work doesn't give me enough time focus on my monthly challenges but since 2020 work from home every day and since I do not need travel to work and home (that take 2-2 1/2 hours per day total) so I have more time focus on my Apple Watch challenges. This probably only year I can do it and unlikely do it again full year.
I agree. It’s not just the actual physical effort of the challenges, it’s making the effort to fit them or to do them in difficult circumstances.
I guess.....although even move goals have a lot of personalization to them
ie. I closed all 3 for 2020
Looking at my Trends
Move - avg 1397 cal/day - move goal is 1180
Exercise - avg 75 min/day - goal is 30 (can this be changed?)
Stand - avg 15 hr/day - goal is 12 (can this be changed?)
I don't think my move goal is to low.
Exactly. Plus, the Apple monthly challenges are all generated algorithmically, so it’s not like the users can set them “too low.”
If one has objectives A, B, C, whatever and sets goals to meet those objectives, the goals aren’t too low if meeting them helps you achieve those objectives.
The idea that the only goals that are “high enough” are ones that are impossible to do consistently is fundamentally flawed logically, psychologically, and practically. One need not be pushing their edge of endurance to have meaningful goals which further their health.
Realistically, it‘s probably more likely the case that yearly awards don’t exist (if Apple even thought enough people would achieve them to justify it) because they’d incentivize potentially counterproductive compulsive behavior more than because they’d be too easy.
Whole point having goals able get them in end. If goals too far away and high and I think most people lose interest try carry on get that goal and give up. Goal need be reasonable make you work hard enough but not too difficult that they can't do that goal.