I'm sorry, but who invited you to reply on this thread from the first place? I don't. Why do you think your reply is so important? maybe it's a time to go down from the tree you are living on.
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How can you live with TN display panel?
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I fly to Budapest once or twice a week to see my team, with cheap flights and a 10kg cabin luggage limit. They weigh your cabin luggage at every single check-in as well as measure its outer dimensions. Any excess weight automatically adds 60 euros plus a forced luggage check-in. I have optimized my travel habits to the extent that I can fit two full suits, shoes, toiletry kit and my all my electronics in my Crumpler Landing Gear bag. Believe me, The MBA is a perfect companion in scenarios where every ounce counts. No rMBP for me, thanks. My MBA i7 2.0 8Gb 512Gb in that respect is as much powerhouse as I can squeeze into the above scenario, and it works wonders ....
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Do you not know how a forum works? Maybe it's time for you to grow up, you're looking like a spoiled kid.
It's an open forum and by the title & subject matter you have invited not only me but others to join. If you only want a few then imply, infer and properly state that in the title or within the first entry/post to narrow the field of viewing and response.
If you are looking for your next or current argumentative paper for class or a persuasive essay keep working at it as you were the one being condescending here, I merely asked questions to a specific agenda you had omitted, be it by design or just in a hastily rant. If the goal is something entirely different it's called or could be called a creative writing paper (maybe an online class here now).
To further your subject, I have been looking at purchasing a MBA, though you compare a 13" (we shall say Mac) to a 15". I could also compare via your implied subjective list and title with how can you do anything worth while on a 15" when I use two monitors myself (pretty self-centered on my part then huh)?
You still didn't answer my questions but deflect as you may…Just keep in mind you first purchased the 13" MBA which contradicts all your "as to" list so was it money related for you then or choice? MBP had better options then and you still chose the 13" MBA which I don't think this makes a good supportive paper for you either at this point about this subject but I'm open to all input, nice and easy
Wait, that reminds me as I type from it now, I have my 17" MBP and until the 15" rMBP it was the five bedroom house of the group, so why would you buy a 13" MBA back when you did if screen quality mattered or options when the 17" (by your very comparative words) had a better screen and options? Should one infer you needed time to get stronger, I joke but you keep bringing this up.
You seem to be stuck here a bit for some reason but then you go back to "deflecting any questions/replies" you don't like or at this time are unable to deal with in a civil matter without lashing out multiple times at multiple folks here.
That very statement above would be demeaning to others because I don't feel the same as you do and what type of Mac a person has is based on needs, maybe wants as well and what they can afford or just straight up like. So, the why question, travel with 4-6 bags of gear, now add a suitcase and then another person if need be and the MBA be it the 13" or 11" works nice sitting in the front seat of a vehicle, plane or even on a tether table to view stuff in tight places. I find my 17" just fine though students make up the most issue with weight so why do you think that the 13" line was the greatest selling Mac in the laptop lineup? Wonder why?
Price, portability and all around good value for the price. Right now the screens are the bonus but at a price because you can't expand on either rMBP and I do think you are ignorant about what this lineup use to be and for most still is, people who need power and more power later with room to grow.
Unfortunately, you seem quite angry or unhappy for a person who should be quite happy with either choice, yes choice both of which you made as you pointed out to which you chose not to answer thus far.
I like trees
When it's time (not it's a time) And I will (it's get down, not go down) remove myself from the trees when no one wants to chop them down to their size to see their beauty at a lower level instead of from the trees view all around, just how they were intended to grow (food for thought free).
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I have had them both, I personally have an Air and work gave me a 15in rMBP for testing our software on. It's nice, but I'd prefer a regular MBP if I was to get a machine that big.
I have cMBP 13" and I didn't notice any problems with the display. Actually it's pretty good compared to majority of current notebooks, the viewing angles are pretty good too. I never had to adjust display because of shifted colors while in bed, under table or wherever. Sure 4x times more pixels would be great, but it does not worth the money for me.
$370 is not few money. Here in Europe the difference between rMPB and MBA/cMBP pricing is even bigger. Plus the fact, that you cannot upgrade/replace RAM yourself and overall repairability of the machine is very low makes price difference much bigger.
They didn't use IPS in the cMBP. The rMBP uses IPS where the cMBP is still using TN. The cMBP line really deserves a display upgrade. I'm guessing they intend to eventually slide the rMBP into the $1800 starting price point. They often debut new stuff at the top. If there are problems and unforeseen costs, they can absorb them easier that way.
It is what is termed in the UK, 'middle class nightmares'. The screens on some people's £1,200 laptops aren't quite crisp enough for my liking...
Stating your own preference as a common standard makes you look like a prick, self absorbed and arrogant, just sayin'.
I've just bought a macbook air i7 with 8 gigs to boost up.
i've considered a pro but in the end decided to go with the air because of the following reasons.
a) the mbpr is a rev a product. (still a rule for me)
b) the performance of the mbpr is stellar, so are the demands of the retina screen.
c) the retina display is not as bright as the air or any other display. it annoys me alot.
d) i can buy a mba now and see if it suits me, if it doesn't i can buy something else in the nearby future. i can't do that the other way around.
e) i have a nice screen at home. so i will only use the mba screen on the go, and that's what the mba is ment for even more so than a mbp.
f) laptop performance is incredible these days, most users do not need the performance of a mbp. so i consider mbpr a luxury item for me.
I've just bought a macbook air i7 with 8 gigs to boost up.
i've considered a pro but in the end decided to go with the air because of the following reasons.
a) the mbpr is a rev a product. (still a rule for me
)b) the performance of the mbpr is stellar, so are the demands of the retina screen.
c) the retina display is not as bright as the air or any other display. it annoys me alot.
d) i can buy a mba now and see if it suits me, if it doesn't i can buy something else in the nearby future. i can't do that the other way around.
e) i have a nice screen at home. so i will only use the mba screen on the go, and that's what the mba is ment for even more so than a mbp.
f) laptop performance is incredible these days, most users do not need the performance of a mbp. so i consider mbpr a luxury item for me.
It's just not the weight.
While the rMBP is much more powerful, I feel the MBA to be a lot snappier.
Webpages lag, as well as some apps on the rMBP.
The screen is too reflective.
It has a video card, sure. But you can not run any newer games at native resolution at more than 30 FPS.
If they improve the screen's reflectiveness and duplicate the vRAM, I may pick up one.
But for now, I am in love with my 3-month-old i7/8GB/256 Air.
For one, I got an anti-glare screen instead of a glossy. What good is an IPS screen if I can't see anything on it?
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Who games on a mac? I have a desktop PC and a few consoles for that...
I'm serious, not trolling. Even the best mac GPU's are only average compared to a comparable PC GPU, and that's when the mac is new. Give it a year and they start to really show their age.
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Who games on a mac? I have a desktop PC and a few consoles for that...
I'm serious, not trolling. Even the best mac GPU's are only average compared to a comparable PC GPU, and that's when the mac is new. Give it a year and they start to really show their age.
Couldn't agree more though I'm looking forward to SimCity which is one of few games I'd play on a Mac at this point.For one, I got an anti-glare screen instead of a glossy. What good is an IPS screen if I can't see anything on it?
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Who games on a mac? I have a desktop PC and a few consoles for that...
I'm serious, not trolling. Even the best mac GPU's are only average compared to a comparable PC GPU, and that's when the mac is new. Give it a year and they start to really show their age.
Also fwiw I have an iPad2 and bought that over a MBA, I was hoping to have a small form factor to do travel stuff with however the 11" or 13" MBA would have been a better choice not needing pro mobile power.
MBA and a nice external monitor works better for me. It also works better for some other people. For others a rMBP works best. This is why Apple and most other corporations offer more than one product. Not a difficult concept to understand.
For one, I got an anti-glare screen instead of a glossy. What good is an IPS screen if I can't see anything on it?
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Who games on a mac? I have a desktop PC and a few consoles for that...
I'm serious, not trolling. Even the best mac GPU's are only average compared to a comparable PC GPU, and that's when the mac is new. Give it a year and they start to really show their age.
Not everyone has a desktop PC and a few consoles just for gaming in addition to a Mac. I would imagine for many people their notebook computer is their only gaming platform. I'm not sure if you're comparing notebook Mac GPUs to desktop PC GPUs, but as far as notebooks go, in my experience the 15" rMBP is a very capable card for gaming.
LOL. Less difference than iPad 2 to 3???
iPad 2 and 3 both had IPS displays. 3 just had the 'retina' screen which doubled the resolution.
MBA has a serviceable (at best) screen that is not IPS and is complete garbage. It could be at least an IPS screen, I don't care for resolution doubling. rMBP has both IPS and double the res, and you can't notice that? Please.
I had one, returned it, and went with the MBP 13". It was fantastic, the screen was a much better TN panel with so much better colors. The MBA is a joke in regards to screen.
FYI: I returned it eventually as I found a good price on another laptop [with IPS screen]. So I can offer some objectivity, unlike these people trying to justify their purchases on their overpriced laptop.
It's easy for me to use a TN display. I simply open _both_ my eyes. Oh sure, I realize that's a radical approach, but it works for me.
It is a bit tiring however, since my primary work computer is my 15" MBPr. With this one I don't even have to open my eyes. It's very relaxing.
So your amazing objectivity is that you dumped your Air and bought something else with an IPS display. So basically you're just trying to justify your purchase.
Just using your logic.. I find the concept pretty juvenile.
I have no need for a Retina on a notebook I use only for surfing and typing, I have a full desktop for all my other needs.
$370 will come in handy when I buy something else, I just don't need to spend it on something I do not need at all. Maybe when they have Retina Airs I will consider getting one, but for now the light load stuff I do on my Air does not need anything more.
Edit: Forgot to mention, everything else I have does have IPS displays and have had one for years. But when it comes to notebooks, I can make the compromise.
$370 will come in handy when I buy something else, I just don't need to spend it on something I do not need at all. Maybe when they have Retina Airs I will consider getting one, but for now the light load stuff I do on my Air does not need anything more.
Edit: Forgot to mention, everything else I have does have IPS displays and have had one for years. But when it comes to notebooks, I can make the compromise.
It's is super overpriced. Even comparing the 13" rMBP to the i7/8/256GB Air is just funny. The 13" rMBP i5/8/256 is running right now for $1800 (Fry's), which is $100 more expensive than the Air.
Except for the person who commented here that he is flying and on the margin all the time with the weight, I can't see any good reason to buy MBA in the $1500-2000 price range.
Sure, people make their own decision whatever fits them the best, but this thread was opened to give another perspective for new buyers and probably ignore most people here who are trying to justify their crappy displays and that they "can't see a lot of difference between Retina displays and MBA displays" - it's the same as saying that you can't see a difference between double D boobs and B boobs.
If weight is really a concern, it's better to buy the overpriced rMBP 13", which is just 0.5 lbs more than the AIR, but you get 200% (IPS + double the pixels) greater display.
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I've noticed a lot of people around here seem to be of the mentality that if you're going to spend X amount on a Mac you might as well spend X+200, 300, 400, etc. It a pretty absurd jump in logic to me.
Maybe some of you are filthy rich or don't have to worry about how the laptop will get paid for, but to me there is a big difference between paying $1200 for a machine and $1500. That's $300 that could be used for a multitude of other things. For most of us going all out on the specs just for the hell of it would just be a waste of money.
Maybe some of you are filthy rich or don't have to worry about how the laptop will get paid for, but to me there is a big difference between paying $1200 for a machine and $1500. That's $300 that could be used for a multitude of other things. For most of us going all out on the specs just for the hell of it would just be a waste of money.
Where did I once praise -my- laptop? Or even list what it was? I'm not looking for any sort of justification, but you'd see that if you could get past your love for Apple.
I have many complaints about my laptop, but for me, it outweights the pros/cons with the other ones. I'm not going to sit here and say it's perfect if it has an obvious hideous display, like the MBA. I have no loyalty to any brand.
I would prefer Apple's attention to detail on their laptops, but do not want to spend over $2K on an rMBP.
I totally agree about the viewing angle. I don't want people peeking at my screen while I'm working in the go. I travel a lot and have to work while I'm travelling sometimes. This viewing angle "issue" is an advantage to me.
Also, a grown man wearing a back pack with two straps just looks weird.
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