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howard said:
i also hope your right,

however if you want to hear my completely made up opinion... i think powerbooks will be updated with a speed bump, maybe some other slightly bumped hardware features in about a month. Powerbooks won't be for awhile. I have to say i believe them when they say that powerbooks won't be for awhile, especially after the delays of both the powermac and imac cause of the g5...let alone the ability to even put a g5 in such a small enclosure

I couldn't agree more, in fact it would be down right stupid to release yet another G5 product when IBM struggles to produce enough PPC970/970FX. This would lead to a complete desaster as Apple wouldn't stand a chance to catch up with the demand for those products. New G4 revision soon, possible, G5? Not before WWDC 2005.
 
also, if apple stays true to there average update time, it should be in no more than a month. check out the buyers guide. We have 19 days until the average wait is reached. If they come out at mwsf then the wait would be one of the largest for powerbooks.
 
howard said:
also, if apple stays true to there average update time, it should be in no more than a month. check out the buyers guide. We have 19 days until the average wait is reached. If they come out at mwsf then the wait would be one of the largest for powerbooks.

Please forget the Buyer's Guide! As has been said before in this thread, the average number of days between updates is skewed due to the fact that Apple introduced the 12" and 17" PowerBooks less than two months after the last TiBook update. The "real" average cycle is 8 months, give or take a few. It's been excatly 5 months (April 19!) since Rev. Cs were introduced so I really don't think Apple will upgrade the PBs in three weeks time. There are quite a few reasons why we won't see an update for some time.To do the maths again: April 19 + 8 months = December 19. Updates will either happen on or shortly before November 16/17 or not before MWSF.
 
The exact word that G5 Powerbooks would be announced October or November was given by someone at Apple. Normally I would have passed such a thing off, but when it comes after informing us of a hefty supply problem for iBooks and Powerbooks, it makes it considerably more legitimate. To reiterate, we have been told that orders taken before the end of the 17th of September will be honoured by the end of the month. All orders taken afterward will not be honoured until October or November. A potential 2 month delay on laptop orders is a pretty big deal. It sounds awfully similar to the iMac situation, doesn't it? Imagine if Apple hadn't announced that there would be a new iMac at the end of August, and had just kept taking orders. There were no machines, so all the orders would have been delayed, and then honoured with new machines once the new one was announced.

As for supply problems with the G5 chip itself, IBM has more or less cleared the hurdles, and is producing them in fine supply. Apple held off until now to release the iMac because they knew supply would not be sufficient until now. Considering Powerbooks will likely use the same chip as the iMacs, it shouldn't be all that much work to provide enough chips.

Certainly, I'm not holding my breath on this all, and I'll admit to being somewhat skeptical. However, the precise words were "G5 Powerbook", and it's associated with a supply deficiency that explains it perfectly.
 
the_nole said:
i'm sort of screwed because i need a new computer (laptop) soon cause my current one has mood swings. suddenly turns off when it feels like it.

buy a new imac and a carrying bag 😀 😀 😀
 
i think january 2005 would be a possibility, because its timing would be about in the line with the powerbook revision history; however, they might just wait for june and wwdc to announce G5 powerbooks at the same time with the tiger (which i strongly believe they will announce at wwdc and not before).

of course i'm hoping for G5PB@january so there would be a revB next fall, but i'm not holding my breath. and i'm not buying the revA either 😛
 
TLRedhawke said:
The exact word that G5 Powerbooks would be announced October or November was given by someone at Apple. Normally I would have passed such a thing off, but when it comes after informing us of a hefty supply problem for iBooks and Powerbooks, it makes it considerably more legitimate. To reiterate, we have been told that orders taken before the end of the 17th of September will be honoured by the end of the month. All orders taken afterward will not be honoured until October or November. A potential 2 month delay on laptop orders is a pretty big deal. It sounds awfully similar to the iMac situation, doesn't it? Imagine if Apple hadn't announced that there would be a new iMac at the end of August, and had just kept taking orders. There were no machines, so all the orders would have been delayed, and then honoured with new machines once the new one was announced.

As for supply problems with the G5 chip itself, IBM has more or less cleared the hurdles, and is producing them in fine supply. Apple held off until now to release the iMac because they knew supply would not be sufficient until now. Considering Powerbooks will likely use the same chip as the iMacs, it shouldn't be all that much work to provide enough chips.

Certainly, I'm not holding my breath on this all, and I'll admit to being somewhat skeptical. However, the precise words were "G5 Powerbook", and it's associated with a supply deficiency that explains it perfectly.

As for the supply info, it definitely sounds like we'll see an update in October or November. (Which would make perfectly sense, although there are few pieces of inforamtion hinting towards a release in January, possibly at MWSF). Anyway I'm still skeptical about the PB getting a G5. Unless I'm missing something, your the first person saying the G5 is in good supply. Why are there so many people who have been waiting for the PMs for up to 3 months? Okay, perhaps IBM's only problem is to produce enough PPC970FX rated at 2.5 GHz. We'll see what's happening with the iMac G5 if Apple can deliver enough of those. Only time will tell. Like everyone else I hope you're right and If you are, you're going to be famous around here.
 
JFreak said:
i think january 2005 would be a possibility, because its timing would be about in the line with the powerbook revision history; however, they might just wait for june and wwdc to announce G5 powerbooks at the same time with the tiger (which i strongly believe they will announce at wwdc and not before).

of course i'm hoping for G5PB@january so there would be a revB next fall, but i'm not holding my breath. and i'm not buying the revA either 😛

If Tiger were to be released around the time WWDC is on and the PB G5 was ready in say May, Apple would probably wait in order to ship the PB G5 with Tiger preinstalled. If, however, the PB G5 was ready in March or April, they certainly would release it then.
 
Zaty said:
If Tiger were to be released around the time WWDC is on and the PB G5 was ready in say May, Apple would probably wait in order to ship the PB G5 with Tiger preinstalled. If, however, the PB G5 was ready in March or April, they certainly would release it then.

it all depends. if it is in fact true that apple is currently preparing for a new powerbook G4 revision, then it would make perfect sense timetable-wise to announce the G5 powerbook in wwdc as there would be the 8-9 month gap we have begun to predict; after all, apple has been accused of being too unpredictable, so i highly doubt that they just pull a rabbit from the hat 😉

if they have the G5 powerbook ready in march/april/may/whatever-before-wwdc and they have a valid reason to announce the G5PB in june, they just have time to build enough quantity to be able to announce "ready to ship five minutes ago" 😀

but if the current hype about new revision doesn't come true and the next speedbump in fact comes in january, then they will definetely not announce any new powerbooks before wwdc, not even if they had a G6PB ready. they just can't. AND... if the next powerbooks are coming in january, well, that means that they don't HAVE TO announce new revision in wwdc giving them plenty of time to get the G5PB right the first time; so that's why i think they will NOT update the powerbook this year. it is a very big deal for apple to make the G5PB a "best laptop money can buy", and make the PC world accept the marketing slogan also.

lots of ifs here, and i would definetely want apple to get the G5PB as soon as possible, because i'm buying the revB version of it and delaying the revA will naturally delay the revB also.
 
JFreak said:
it all depends. if it is in fact true that apple is currently preparing for a new powerbook G4 revision, then it would make perfect sense timetable-wise to announce the G5 powerbook in wwdc as there would be the 8-9 month gap we have begun to predict; after all, apple has been accused of being too unpredictable, so i highly doubt that they just pull a rabbit from the hat 😉

if they have the G5 powerbook ready in march/april/may/whatever-before-wwdc and they have a valid reason to announce the G5PB in june, they just have time to build enough quantity to be able to announce "ready to ship five minutes ago" 😀

but if the current hype about new revision doesn't come true and the next speedbump in fact comes in january, then they will definetely not announce any new powerbooks before wwdc, not even if they had a G6PB ready. they just can't. AND... if the next powerbooks are coming in january, well, that means that they don't HAVE TO announce new revision in wwdc giving them plenty of time to get the G5PB right the first time; so that's why i think they will NOT update the powerbook this year. it is a very big deal for apple to make the G5PB a "best laptop money can buy", and make the PC world accept the marketing slogan also.

lots of ifs here, and i would definetely want apple to get the G5PB as soon as possible, because i'm buying the revB version of it and delaying the revA will naturally delay the revB also.

Yes and no:

October-April 6 months
MWSF-WWDC a bit less than 6 months

So even if a new revision is around the corner, there's no reason Apple couldn't announce new PBs in April, shipping in May.

Like you said, too many ifs....
 
JFreak said:
lots of ifs here, and i would definetely want apple to get the G5PB as soon as possible, because i'm buying the revB version of it and delaying the revA will naturally delay the revB also.

Good point. The fact that the Rev. A of the new iMac has just been released makes me suspicious about any significant changes to the PowerBooks just yet. Rev. As are going to be buggy and problem prone -- thousands of users in the real world will put their computers through the paces that no design team could ever anticipate. As Apple collects that information and revises the line based on it for the Rev. Bs, how likely is it that they're going to release another wholly redesigned product and go through that process at the exact same time? Apple was asked point-blank by a lot of people after the introduction of the iMac G5 what that meant about the prospects of the PowerBook G5 and they reiterated the technical problems (primarily heat and power consumption) that they're still working on. Not to mention that to get the G5 in the iMac they had to completely redesign the form factor. I believe they said that it was surprising how much leeway that extra inch of thickness between the iMac and the PowerBook gave them. A G5 PowerBook is a lot more complicated to bring about than simply popping the G4 chip out and snapping a G5 in its place.

It seems like the only way there could be a G5 in a PowerBook by October is if they've completely redesigned the machine, and I just don't see that happening so quickly on the heels of the new iMac.
 
Steve missed out on introducing the new iMac at MacWorld Paris. I think that he will want to announce such a dramatic upgrade as the PowerBook G5 himself. So it would seem more like at MWSF. Like others only time will tell.
 
the_nole said:
i'm sort of screwed because i need a new computer (laptop) soon cause my current one has mood swings. suddenly turns off when it feels like it.
i won't be able to get my loan money the earliest, the last week of the month. which is after the cram and jam special and before any update.
😕 can't wait till jan/feb for a big upgrade, but need one now

I was also in a similar situation. A local reseller had a no-interest deal on PowerBooks so I ordered one at the end of August. Then, when it didn't arrive immediately, I got my wife to call. Their supplier was running low and my book wouldn't arrive until the end of August, they said. I cancelled the order, waited for the Paris Expo, and then ordered a new 13" Vaio. (I absolutely needed a notebook as my 8-year old beast was acting up and I had a lot of work to do.)

Do I wish I had a 12" PB instead? Yes, of course. But my wife and I made a deal that she would get the Vaio (hopefully) next year when a) G5 PBs arrive, and b) we have some cash.

One thing that does make me think something might be in the works is the fact that Paris brought only the iMac. I mean, wasn't it initially supposed to be released before then? If so, what were they going to announce at Paris?

(Off Topic) JFreak: Some of my buddies watched the Canada-Finland game with Esa Tikkanen. I was pretty surprised when I found out he was playing here.

Squire
 
Zaty said:
Yes and no:

October-April 6 months
MWSF-WWDC a bit less than 6 months

So even if a new revision is around the corner, there's no reason Apple couldn't announce new PBs in April, shipping in May.

Like you said, too many ifs....

about 6 months from announce to announce, but please add 2-3 months to actual shipping of the product 😀 simple speedbumps have been (if i remember correctly) available instantly after announcement, but major revamps (ti->al for example) have had this annoying gap of few months between announcement and delivery.
 
Macophile said:
Rev. As are going to be buggy and problem prone

for a regular user, no, it doesn't matter so much if it's a revA machine or later iteration. but for me, who uses protools on a daily basis, it matter a lot if the system is stable or not.
 
Squire said:
(Off Topic) JFreak: Some of my buddies watched the Canada-Finland game with Esa Tikkanen. I was pretty surprised when I found out he was playing here.

what a great game it was; team canada won a good fight 😎
 
GUARANTEED

I guaranteed Powerbook G5 @ 2005 MWSF...

entry model will be available...

mid-range - high end will be available mid-Feb... 😎
 
My guess is that in November new G4 powerbooks will announced. I can't image that Steve will announce new G4 powerbooks on stage, because he knows its not a big deal and he would not get the response from the crowd. So I guess November - which is OK for the Christmas buyers.

And at WWDC he announces then the G5 powerbook, about 7 month later. Of course only if they get the heat and supply problems under control.

btw, I really haven't heard anything that the G5 supply problems are under control now. I heard the opposite, that the Powermac 1.8 got longer delivery times when they announced the new iMac.

Cheers
 
I am torn. I recently got rid of my TiBook and am trying to decide whether to continue to use my PC at home (I love to work from bed, and using a big clunky desktop is not so ideal), or to get one of the current PB models -- ESPECIALLY with the current promotions and/or $150 Amazon rebate.

I think I can wait til October/November...but if we're talking about stretching into 2005, then I'd rather get something now.

Anyone have any insights?
 
I recently sold my iBook, and I'm going to order a PB pretty soon. I don't think I'll be able to wait longer than 4.oct, though..
 
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