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what type of programming?

Heh heh, I know what you mean. I just got the Ultimate 13" Air, but as soon as Apple has a retina version...I do a lot of software development, and a bit of photo editing. The Air is great for both of those use cases. I don't plan on going back to a MBP.

may i ask what kinda programming? i'm looking at one to replace this big 17" HP i use for java dev...

thanks.
ck
 
8gb isn't enough if you're doing serious work in CS apps, and it's not all about RAM anyway, CPU is important, especially for rendering.

That could be for illustrator and the others. I have 16 in my desktop machine and while it's nice I've done som layer heavy work and upsizing without too much of a problem with 8. But I admit my use case is photoshop only.
 
There are only two real reasons why you would need a pro: a. you need the retina display or b. you need to do long runs of full power CPU use. The cooling of the pro is able to cope with long runs of high cpu use far better than an air. But long runs should be done on a MacPro anyhow, as part of a custer of Macs. So get an air and enjoy the money you saved.
 
Hello, I have a question to users who have owned both the higher-end MacBook Pro model and the latest MacBook Air 13".

I have been using two MacBook Pro 17" for a few years. I am feeling the weight and want to get a newer computer. The MBPr is lighter but I don't like the fact that are lot of applications look bad on such an expensive machine. It may also be difficult to use it on the bus. Now, I am considering to get the latest MacBook Air 13" rather than the MBPr 15". How do you feel about the latest MacBook Air 13"?

Any experience appreciated. Thank you.

You are comparing apples and oranges and at opposite extremes. Yes, the 13" Air is lighter than a 17" MacBook Pro, but you lack up to two extra processing cores, a discrete GPU, many ports and connections, and removable/replacable drives and RAM. If these are no sacrifice for you, then you had no reason to be using the 17" MacBook Pro to begin with. If they are, the 13" Air is not the Mac for you. It's that polar of a difference.

That being said, to compare more similar Macs, say the 2012 13" MacBook Pro and the 2012 13" MacBook Air, for instance, is much more fair of a comparison, and if that's the comparison you want to make, it becomes a question of importance. Do you want removable/replacable drives or are you the type that will never open your computer at all? Do you like the convenience of an internal optical disc drive, or are you fine with an external (if any at all)? SSD or Hard drives? Weight vs. Minimalism? Ethernet and FireWire 800 or do you not care? The answers to those questions dictate the recommendation.

As for the 15" rMBP vs. the 15" MBP, yes, software looks crappy TODAY. Tomorrow everything will look awesome. Though if you're still using pre-Final-Cut-Pro-X versions of Final Cut Studio, it will ALWAYS look crappy. IF you're using earlier Intel-native versions of Photoshop, it will ALWAYS look crappy. If you are gaming with games older than Civilization V or Diablo III, it's a crap-shoot. Really, it's the web content that I'd be more worried about; but honestly, retina displays on notebooks (and eventually, desktops as well) are not going to be a passing trend; things will eventually update. The odds of everything updating by the time you're ready to discard the machine are slim though. In terms of OS X support, my guess is that, if any disparity at all, the 2012 rMBP will be supported for slightly longer than the 2012 MBP. Otherwise, the two machines have a very similar "which feature set is more important" debate, the results of which dictate the recommendation. That being said, it is likely that the 13" MacBook Pro and the 15" (non-retina) MacBook Pro as we know them today will disappear come next revision; the former likely replaced by either a retina version of the MacBook Air or a dedicated 13" Retina MacBook Pro with the latter simply getting discontinued in favor of the next rev of the current retina design, which will likely get some sort of price decrease to better situate itself as a mainstream MacBook Pro. That all said, analyze your values when it comes to your Mac and the best machine for you should, at that point, be a no-brainer. Good luck.
 
The MacBook Air 2012 i7 has 4 cores (Virtual, 2 Cores, 4 Threads), 3.2 GHz.
8 GB 1600 MHz
SSD with 500MB/S read

Those 3 things are amazing to have on a Pro computer, but the MacBook Air is a consumer computer. It is a consumer computer with the power of a Pro computer. It's 2x faster than my MacBook Pro. I was shocked to find that out.

Virtual cores? Then my Macbook Pro is an 8 core beast. No, we're talking about a dual core ULV i5/i7 vs. a quad core i7 with clocks that are much higher.
 
Let's be serious folks. The MBA is a High School, College, everyman's econo-machine. It IS NOT a professional's man tool. It does not even have the screen of the iPad.
 
Let's be serious folks. The MBA is a High School, College, everyman's econo-machine. It IS NOT a professional's man tool. It does not even have the screen of the iPad.

And how exactly did the "professional man" conduct his affairs before the advent of the amazing retina screen?

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that the retina screen somehow makes people better than they previously were. It's a sharper image, but it's the same image.
 
may i ask what kinda programming? i'm looking at one to replace this big 17" HP i use for java dev...

thanks.
ck

Right now, I do mostly iOS development. The Air will work for Java as well.

I disagree with Dornblaser. My Macbook Air is faster than my 3 year old 27" iMac, in almost every way. As long as you're not doing professional photography or video editing, the Air's display is fine. It's definitely fine for software development.
 
Let's be serious folks. The MBA is a High School, College, everyman's econo-machine. It IS NOT a professional's man tool. It does not even have the screen of the iPad.

If by professional you mean photographer or artist......maybe. They do make external monitors that are good though.
 
I have both 2012 MBA and rMBP. The MBP replaces a 2006 mac pro and serves as a desktop replacement. It is connected to an Eizo display but the native screen is fine. I have no issues with its appearance. The Air is wonderful for travel.
I love them both.

You don't find going back to the MBA screen difficult after the rMBP?
 
If by professional you mean photographer or artist......maybe. They do make external monitors that are good though.

Exactly. The MBA and a great external display is a fantastic setup.
Also, the MBA serves me and many other graphic designers just fine, the higher resolution screen wins over the MBPs slightly better colours in my book.
 
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