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dlewis23

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Wondering how other developers are feeling about the new AppTrackingTransparency that comes with iOS 14?

If you don't know about it you can read more here: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/user-privacy-and-data-use/

Basically it seems like anyone who relies on ads to fund there app is going to be out of luck now or have the income cut largely. I don't know anyone who would click the allow tracking button so the app gets access to the advertising identifier to get targeted ads that actually pay.
 
I think it's really great. I've de-Googled myself and got Facebook set up with the greatest privacy and I use a Firefox private window and a VPN to access it. I too am a developer with an app on the App Store. Apple is great and Google is evil.
 
Wondering how other developers are feeling about the new AppTrackingTransparency that comes with iOS 14?

If you don't know about it you can read more here: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/user-privacy-and-data-use/

Basically it seems like anyone who relies on ads to fund there app is going to be out of luck now or have the income cut largely. I don't know anyone who would click the allow tracking button so the app gets access to the advertising identifier to get targeted ads that actually pay.

If you are doing something that would prevent informed consumers from using your app, probably you shouldn’t be doing it.
 
If you are doing something that would prevent informed consumers from using your app, probably you shouldn’t be doing it.

It has absolutely nothing to do with that.

This makes it super hard for any app dev to put a banner or full screen ad in their app to actually pay for it. No one is going to click the allow tracking button.
 
You could develop an application that provided the user with useful functionality that he would pay for. If you have to get payed to rip off users with your app you should go work for Google.
 
It has absolutely nothing to do with that.

This makes it super hard for any app dev to put a banner or full screen ad in their app to actually pay for it. No one is going to click the allow tracking button.
That has everything to do with it. They won’t click the button because for the first time they understand there is tracking.

Nobody is going to eat the cup cake if you put a “poison” label on it either. Maybe your business model shouldn’t involve selling poisoned cupcakes.
 
You could develop an application that provided the user with useful functionality that he would pay for. If you have to get payed to rip off users with your app you should go work for Google.

Just because you're putting Ads inside an app doesn't automatically mean you're ripping people off or not providing them with useful functionality.
 
What do I think? It's time to start new business plans and think of different revenue scheme if you are on Apple platform.


It's just gonna get worse, until one day no any ads will be allowed.


(I mean, worse for developers, not for users who value privacy).
 
Just because you're putting Ads inside an app doesn't automatically mean you're ripping people off or not providing them with useful functionality.
No, but if the ads track people and the people don’t want to be tracked, and the only reason it was working for you before is they didn’t KNOW they were being tracked, that’s not much different than ripping them off.
 
What do I think? It's time to start new business plans and think of different revenue scheme if you are on Apple platform.

It's just gonna get worse, until one day no any ads will be allowed.

(I mean, worse for developers, not for users who value privacy).

And thats why a lot of developers will abandon the platform or a lot of apps will simply go away. Most people wont pay for apps no matter what and that mindset is not going to change.
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No, but if the ads track people and the people don’t want to be tracked, and the only reason it was working for you before is they didn’t KNOW they were being tracked, that’s not much different than ripping them off.

People also want things for free, and they wont pay for the vast majority of apps in any quantity that allows those apps to actually exist. Apps are often very expensive to make, super expensive to keep running.
 
Ads are a completely valid way of funding development. As stated most people won't spend a dime on an app and developing them can take a lot of time. What Apple is doing is great, and definitely the right thing to do. But it's a bit like the sausage factory. People will happily eat sausages, but tell them how they're made and they'll be repelled by it. Similarly a consumer will happily use an ad funded app with tracking but might decline tracking. I think users in a lot of cases would actually prefer not knowing in a weird way.
If the options in front of you are
"Free app" or "Paid app" you'll happily take free.
If the options are
"Privacy invading tracking nightmare" or "paid app" a customer reluctant to spend money might not want either option and be overall less satisfied than if they had just gotten a free app and didn't know about the tracking.

Don't get me wrong though I think everyone should know.

I think we have a couple of options when working with this.

1) Less personalised ads. - We could rely on ad providers that don't need tracking but just show random ads. This will likely pay out a lot less, so we'd make the user able to pick an ad system; No tracking but more ads or with tracking and fewer ads.
2) On install, having a label that informs the user that they can choose the paid version of the app to not have tracking or use it for free with ads and associated ad tracking.

I think it's important here to have a full spectrum of knowledge delivered to the user. - To make sure that what they see isn't only a popup saying "The bad tracking is here for all your data!", but that they're also presented with he reason for the tracking first. That we make sure it's communicated to the users that the tracking isn't mean spirited, but it's there to ensure it's possible to deliver a free experience for them, while stilll paying the bills for ourselves, and that it's not to store their data, but to provide user-targeted ads and nothing else
 
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