How do you feel about using Google services?

[Alrescha]

If I disagree with you i am brainwashed?

That is not what I said. In any case, I apologize. I have reworded my statement.

For your own examples.....someone knows your information to have those things work that way.....

I am sorry, but that is not the case. But that you think so is exactly what I am talking about.

My *phone* needs to know some information. My phone is not Apple. To use the lights as an example:

• An app on my phone registers with Location Services to be notified when I am near a location.
• When Location Services on my phone detects that event, it wakes up the app.
• The app sends a message ("turn on the lights") to a small white hockey puck in my living room.
• The lights come on.

At no time did Apple or anyone else need to know my location. And I think that is the result of purposeful design.

A.

 

[jamezr]

That is not what I said. In any case, I apologize. I have reworded my statement.



I am sorry, but that is not the case. But that you think so is exactly what I am talking about.

My *phone* needs to know some information. My phone is not Apple. To use the lights as an example:

• An app on my phone registers with Location Services to be notified when I am near a location.
• When Location Services on my phone detects that event, it wakes up the app.
• The app sends a message ("turn on the lights") to a small white hockey puck in my living room.
• The lights come on.

At no time did Apple or anyone else need to know my location. And I think that is the result of purposeful design.

A.

So who manages Location Services? Is that Apple? So they do know your information.....Who owns the app? The app knows your information....it has to for it all to work and report your location. Whats servers does it use to get your location? They are not Apples.....so that company knows your location and your address now........who owns the GPS satellites? they know your information.....
You just choose not to acknowledge it....You are not anonymous.

 

[Alrescha]

You keep bringing up Apple in all of your rants against Google..... I think it really shows your true motives for not liking Google/Android.

Well, looking back at your comments I could probably make similar statements about you and Google. What is the point? Since I am not in Google's camp, it seems obvious that I am in Apple's, no? Did you think I was carrying a Blackberry?

If you read back in this thread, you will notice an ongoing trend of statements like this:

"Apple and Google are the same when it comes to data mining, Google is just better at it."
"I don't know the whole thing is a little creepy but Apple is doing the same sort of stuff now."

So first, I think these statements are incorrect. Absurdly incorrect. I hope that the links I have posted have helped people see that.

Second, people seem to think that in order to provide services, Google has to be intrusive. I have just given you an example of why they do not.

Thirdly, this thread asked a question on which I have opinions. I saw it by accident; "Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices" is on my exclusion list, you do not see me trolling around in all the Google topics taking potshots - so please do not pretend to know my motives.

I have been a user of pretty much every Google service ever created. I do not use them anymore.

A.

 

[jamezr]

Well, looking back at your comments I could probably make similar statements about you and Google. What is the point? Since I am not in Google's camp, it seems obvious that I am in Apple's, no? Did you think I was carrying a Blackberry?

If you read back in this thread, you will notice an ongoing trend of statements like this:

"Apple and Google are the same when it comes to data mining, Google is just better at it."
"I don't know the whole thing is a little creepy but Apple is doing the same sort of stuff now."

So first, I think these statements are incorrect. Absurdly incorrect. I hope that the links I have posted have helped people see that.

Second, people seem to think that in order to provide services, Google has to be intrusive. I have just given you an example of why they do not.

Thirdly, this thread asked a question on which I have opinions. I saw it by accident; "Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices" is on my exclusion list, you do not see me trolling around in all the Google topics taking potshots - so please do not pretend to know my motives.

I have been a user of pretty much every Google service ever created. I do not use them anymore.

A.

I am not in any camp....I use whatever works best for my needs. I have multiple products from different vendors.....again whatever works best for me. I don't know your motives.....that why I asked....but there is a trend/theme here in your posts against Google. If you do not like their services you are free not to use them....problem solved. Trying to educate or change peoples minds is very naive of you. You think you know what is best for everyone....they should just believe as you do.....

 

[CyanLite]

Trying to educate or change peoples minds is very naive of you. You think you know what is best for everyone....they should just believe as you do.....

I whole-heartedly disagree. Alrescha has made some good points and has got me thinking. Trying to educate people was not necessary of him, but I appreciate his efforts as now I know more thanks to him.

 

[Alrescha]

So who manages Location Services? Is that Apple? So they do know your information.

Location Services is an iOS service running on my phone. It gets its information by listening.

....Who owns the app? The app knows your information.

The app, running on my phone, knows a location that I told it.

Whats servers does it use to get your location? They are not Apples.....so that company knows your location and your address now.

The app gets its location from Location Services on my phone. It does not need to talk to any servers for that.

.......who owns the GPS satellites? they know your information.....

That is not how GPS works. GPS satellites transmit information to GPS receivers. The receivers use that information to calculate position. GPS receivers do not tell the GPS satellites anything.

You just choose not to acknowledge it

On the contrary. I have a fairly good idea how this technology works. I try to be very aware of what information I place where, what I get in return for sharing that information when I do share it. I am only human, I am sure that sometimes I make mistakes.

....You are not anonymous.

And when did I ever say, imply, or even hint that I thought that I was?

I don't know your motives.....that why I asked....

Excuse me, but you very definitely did *not* ask.

Trying to educate or change peoples minds is very naive of you.

OK, we can tell all the teachers in the world to go home. All the folks working to improve human rights can stop.

You think you know what is best for everyone....they should just believe as you do.....

You have an interesting reaction to my attempt to counter misinformation with facts. I have never said what I think people should do. I do think that people should know as much as possible before they make a decision, and I do not think that is a very controversial idea.


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edit: off-topic distractions deleted.

 

[jamezr]

Location Services is an iOS service running on my phone. It gets its information by listening.



The app, running on my phone, knows a location that I told it.



The app gets its location from Location Services on my phone. It does not need to talk to any servers for that.



That is not how GPS works. GPS satellites transmit information to GPS receivers. The receivers use that information to calculate position. GPS receivers do not tell the GPS satellites anything.



On the contrary. I have a fairly good idea how this technology works. I try to be very aware of what information I place where, what I get in return for sharing that information when I do share it. I am only human, I am sure that sometimes I make mistakes.



And when did I ever say, imply, or even hint that I thought that I was?



Excuse me, but you very definitely did *not* ask.



OK, we can tell all the teachers in the world to go home. All the folks working to improve human rights can stop.



You have an interesting reaction to my attempt to counter misinformation with facts. I have never said what I think people should do. I do think that people should know as much as possible before they make a decision, and I do not think that is a very controversial idea.

But I will throw you a bone:

You are right, I do not like Google very much anymore. I was excited when they were an Apple partner, and Apple and Google were bringing the wonders of technology to our desktops and pockets. History happened. That excitement was kicked to the curb, probably never to return.

A.

You do not know how location services work or GPS or wireless services...they all know your location simply by using them. All of your data is collected by all of the moving parts that make the services work. So someone has your information. Your rant is just against Google...so be it...don't use them. But posting here...rant after rant....misinformation after misinformation is useless.
The answer is right in front to f you......just don't use their services....

OK, we can tell all the teachers in the world to go home. All the folks working to improve human rights can stop.

More misinformation....no one said that and is out of context to this discussion....now if we do not agree with you....we do not believe in education and human rights......misdirecting attention away from your rants.

That is not how GPS works. GPS satellites transmit information to GPS receivers. The receivers use that information to calculate position. GPS receivers do not tell the GPS satellites anything.

Sorry but all that processing and location does not just happen. It receives the information then....presents it through an app to your devices...the app knows all of your information. The app also reports to the app owners...its in the fine print in the privacy agreement. The app could be an map based location or even social media app. It can even be the photo app on your device. It can geo tag the photo. Again your information is gathered all the time. By all the apps that process you data on your mobile devices.

But I will throw you a bone:

You are right, I do not like Google very much anymore. I was excited when they were an Apple partner, and Apple and Google were bringing the wonders of technology to our desktops and pockets. History happened. That excitement was kicked to the curb, probably never to return.

Everyone that has read your posts knew this already........and Samsung...hate them too i suppose? I think we get a clearer picture now.....

 

[Alrescha]

You do not know how location services work or GPS or wireless services...they all know your location simply by using them.

"A GPS receiver calculates its position by precisely timing the signals sent by GPS satellites high above the Earth. Each satellite continually transmits..." Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System


iOS Location Services, to improve its performance, shares some anonymous data (presumably about the location of hot spots, etc.).

"Apple and its partners can’t use this collected geodata to personally identify a user." Please see: http://www.wired.com/2011/04/apple-iphone-tracking/


As for you charactarizing my posts as 'rants against Google', I think your own post speaks to that topic far better than I could at this point.

Cheers,

A.

 

[Dontazemebro]

I would pay not to see ads. This is the one thing I loathe about Google or any other freemium product that forces ads on you due to free software.

 

[jamezr]

"A GPS receiver calculates its position by precisely timing the signals sent by GPS satellites high above the Earth. Each satellite continually transmits..." Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System


iOS Location Services, to improve its performance, shares some anonymous data (presumably about the location of hot spots, etc.).

"Apple and its partners can’t use this collected geodata to personally identify a user." Please see: http://www.wired.com/2011/04/apple-iphone-tracking/


As for you charactarizing my posts as 'rants against Google', I think your own post speaks to that topic far better than I could at this point.

Cheers,

A.

So you admit....GPS software collect data on you....thanks....I said that earlier...

You are right, I do not like Google very much anymore. I was excited when they were an Apple partner, and Apple and Google were bringing the wonders of technology to our desktops and pockets. History happened. That excitement was kicked to the curb, probably never to return.

Now you hate Google...but when they were good with Apple they were ok. But when they developed Android and competed with Apple...the partnership dissolved.....so now you hate Google....and i can venture to say Samsung for the same reasons?

 

[Alrescha]

So you admit....GPS software collect data on you....thanks....I said that earlier...

You said that GPS satellites know where I am. They do not. You said that the owners of the GPS software (Location Services) know where I am. The article I linked specifically says that Location Services does not share data about me.

As I said in my lighting example there is no need for anyone to know my location in order to make it work. Apple has a real goal of not collecting any personal information that they do not need. See: http://www.macworld.com/article/2366921/why-apple-really-cares-about-your-privacy.html

To bring us back on topic, I will claim that privacy is not dead. Nobody has the box from "Sneakers" which can decrypt anything and everything. We are not in the final pages of "The Shockwave Rider", where the network will tell anything to anyone who asks. Until we reach that point information is still power. Your information. There are companies that make you give up your private information in return for using their services. There are companies that do not.

A.
edit: off-topic distractions deleted.

 

[Oohara]

You said that GPS satellites know where I am. They do not. You said that the owners of the GPS software (Location Services) know where I am. The article I linked specifically says that Location Services does not share data about me.

As I said in my lighting example there is no need for anyone to know my location in order to make it work. Apple has a real goal of not collecting any personal information that they do not need. See: http://www.macworld.com/article/2366921/why-apple-really-cares-about-your-privacy.html



Hate is such a strong word. I think it was highly inappropriate for Google to go into direct competition with Apple while the Google CEO was on Apple's board of directors. One has to wonder if the timing of Google's purchase of Android and Schmidt joining the board of directors was just a bit too convenient.

While we are wearing the tinfoil hat, I will make an observation. A recurring motif in your recent posts might be summarized as 'everyone knows all this information anyway so there is no point in dissing Google over it'. Does it occur to you that this kind of thinking is very beneficial to those organizations who would like to collect your personal information? E.g.: it is very convenient for Zuckerberg to claim that "privacy is dead" when he is in the business of sharing data about you. Or to say that the NSA can illegally collect all kinds of data because privacy is a thing of the past. See: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...ctions-are-fine-because-privacy-is-dead.shtml

To bring us back on topic, I will claim that privacy is not dead. Nobody has the box from "Sneakers" which can decrypt anything and everything. We are not in the final pages of "The Shockwave Rider", where the network will tell anything to anyone who asks. Until we reach that point information is still power. Your information. There are companies that make you give up your private information in return for using their services. There are companies that do not.

A.

I'm still wondering if we'll see a market for guaranteed non-invasive social media & web services. I.e. Facebook but without ads and focused on the user selecting what they want to be part of rather than a default setting of all-connected with unreliable mechanisms to ensure optional privacy. And Google with no ads and thus no such motive for collecting private info. Paid for by premiums rather than ads.

Would it be possible? Would there be enough demand? I'd be willing to shell out some cash montly to have a soothing, paranoia-free internet experience, that's for sure. Maybe one day a new Shmidt or Jobs will descent from the heavens and bestow this blessing upon us...

And no I'm not sitting here with a bong, I just like to indulge in my rosy dreams now and then 😱

 

[Alrescha]

Would it be possible? Would there be enough demand? I'd be willing to shell out some cash montly to have a soothing, paranoia-free internet experience, that's for sure.

I had high hopes for app.net, but they went from premium to fremium and I took that as a bad sign. On the other hand they are still running and profitable. If you are interested in an ad-free news/status/chat/etc. service, you should take a look: https://app.net/

A.

 

[Oohara]

I had high hopes for app.net, but they went from premium to fremium and I took that as a bad sign. On the other hand they are still running and profitable. If you are interested in an ad-free news/status/chat/etc. service, you should take a look: https://app.net/

A.

Thanks, I had missed that one completely! Looks like it's not quite working out financially though, sadly:

On May 6, 2014, the founders announced that subscription renewals had been so poor that there were no longer funds to retain development staff for App.net and future operations would be on a maintenance-only basis using contractors.

A service like that might need quite a heavy startup investment to ensure a sufficient level of design to make the whole thing enticing enough to take off though, I think. I mean, currently their front page looks almost like a scam site or something. It would need to look much more sexy + 110% reliable to attract more users.

Anyhow, nice to see that someone tried! Hopefully we'll see more successful attempts in the future.

 

[jamezr]

You said that GPS satellites know where I am. They do not. You said that the owners of the GPS software (Location Services) know where I am. The article I linked specifically says that Location Services does not share data about me.

As I said in my lighting example there is no need for anyone to know my location in order to make it work. Apple has a real goal of not collecting any personal information that they do not need. See: http://www.macworld.com/article/2366921/why-apple-really-cares-about-your-privacy.html



Hate is such a strong word. I think it was highly inappropriate for Google to go into direct competition with Apple while the Google CEO was on Apple's board of directors. One has to wonder if the timing of Google's purchase of Android and Schmidt joining the board of directors was just a bit too convenient.

While we are wearing the tinfoil hat, I will make an observation. A recurring motif in your recent posts might be summarized as 'everyone knows all this information anyway so there is no point in dissing Google over it'. Does it occur to you that this kind of thinking is very beneficial to those organizations who would like to collect your personal information? E.g.: it is very convenient for Zuckerberg to claim that "privacy is dead" when he is in the business of sharing data about you. Or to say that the NSA can illegally collect all kinds of data because privacy is a thing of the past. See: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...ctions-are-fine-because-privacy-is-dead.shtml

To bring us back on topic, I will claim that privacy is not dead. Nobody has the box from "Sneakers" which can decrypt anything and everything. We are not in the final pages of "The Shockwave Rider", where the network will tell anything to anyone who asks. Until we reach that point information is still power. Your information. There are companies that make you give up your private information in return for using their services. There are companies that do not.

A.

Now you are twisting and down right misleading things....in your own quote even.

You said that GPS satellites know where I am. They do not. You said that the owners of the GPS software (Location Services) know where I am. The article I linked specifically says that Location Services does not share data about me.

The software knows where you are...it pin points your location by way of the satellites... The app you are using is using the GPS satellites. That information is still collect and used for analytics and data mining......and yes Apple does it too....

While you might be wearing a tin foil hat...I am not. I am not that paranoid.
I am in noway giving anyone a pass or defending Google. I consent to them using my location and data to provide me with better services. That is what i and others have said all along....you are wearing the tin foil hat and claiming big brother is watching us and going to take over the world. The sky is falling....the sky is falling......

While we are wearing the tinfoil hat, I will make an observation. A recurring motif in your recent posts might be summarized as 'everyone knows all this information anyway so there is no point in dissing Google over it'. Does it occur to you that this kind of thinking is very beneficial to those organizations who would like to collect your personal information? E.g.: it is very convenient for Zuckerberg to claim that "privacy is dead" when he is in the business of sharing data about you. Or to say that the NSA can illegally collect all kinds of data because privacy is a thing of the past.

Your motives are very much suspect concerning Google. You by your own words thought they were great as long as they were in partnership with Apple. But once they competed in the same space......Google is bad now.
Even though they were doing the SAME thing while in partnership with Apple. They were only bad after the partnership ended. Unlike you I don't have such an allegiance to one company.....
Then you never have answered my question about Samsung either. I see a pattern developing....
Do you use social media? Have a Facebook account? Have a Instagram account....Twitter?
Anyway....getting tired of this argument.......going to go do some Google and Bing searches so they can mine my data.....Oh! I might even use Siri so Wolfram can mine my data too......

 

[Alrescha]

Now you are twisting and down right misleading things....in your own quote even.

The software knows where you are...it pin points your location by way of the satellites... The app you are using is using the GPS satellites.

The software knows exactly where I am. The software is running on my phone. Nobody else knows where I am, since my phone does not tell them. There is no other software. I do not know what you think I am twisting.

I consent to them using my location and data to provide me with better services. That is what i and others have said all along.

What you choose to do is strictly your business. And I have given an example of how I do not need to give up my personal information but still can have cool services. Hopefully others will find that information useful.

Your motives are very much suspect concerning Google.

You are welcome to suspect my motives, but whatever you think them to be that does not change the facts I have presented.

A.

 

[jamezr]

The software knows exactly where I am. The software is running on my phone. Nobody else knows where I am, since my phone does not tell them. There is no other software. I do not know what you think I am twisting.



What you choose to do is strictly your business. And I have given an example of how I do not need to give up my personal information but still can have cool services. Hopefully others will find that information useful.



You are welcome to suspect my motives, but whatever you think them to be that does not change the facts I have presented.

A.

Oh but it does....are you upset about Wolfram using your data too? Does using Siri let Wolfram mine your data like Google does? I suspect they do...they just do not offer the services to present it back to you the way Google does....which is more useful. While you are wearing your tin foil hat.......why does Wolfram get a pass? Oh thats right they are partners with Apple and get a pass from you unless the partner ship ends.....then I can only guess how you feel about Samsung.......you keep stepping around that question. So anything Apple with you is good.........but everything Apple competes with is bad........good got it......your motives are completely suspect.
You are upset about privacy....unless Apple is violating it.....

Why does this not bother you? Again all things Apple gets a pass from you...but Google is evil. Yet they do pretty much some of the same things. Just Google is pretty upfront about it.....

http://www.inquisitr.com/241325/ibm-bans-siri-thinks-apple-might-be-spying/

“By using Siri or Dictation, you agree and consent to Apple’s and its subsidiaries’ and agents’ transmission, collection, maintenance, processing, and use of this information, including your voice input and User Data, to provide and improve Siri, Dictation, and other Apple products and services.”

ACLU Warning about using Siri...

https://www.aclunc.org/blog/note-self-siri-not-just-working-me-working-full-time-apple-too


http://www.wolframalpha.com/privacypolicy.html

 

[Alrescha]

Why does this not bother you?

I am really sorry that you think in a thread titled "How do you feel about using Google services?", that I am somehow a bad person if I do not talk about Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Wolfram, etc.

I explained in post #103 how I came to discuss Apple. Please see: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19290477/

It is apparent that whatever nefarious motives I have regarding Google, you have motives of your own to balance them.

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[jamezr]

I am really sorry that you think in a thread titled "How do you feel about using Google services?", that I am somehow a bad person if I do not talk about Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Wolfram, etc.

I explained in post #103 how I came to discuss Apple. Please see: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19290477/

It is apparent that whatever nefarious motives I have regarding Google, you have motives of your own to balance them.

A.

Because for all of your outrage at Google you never once mentioned another company except to praise Apple. You never mentioned how any other company does things except to vilify Google and praise Apple. All the while admitting you never had a problem with Google until the partnership with Apple ended.
You have an admitted agenda against Google yet others that do the same get a pass........
I don't have an agenda except to balance your negative posts......

 

[Vegastouch]

Now you are twisting and down right misleading things....in your own quote even.

The software knows where you are...it pin points your location by way of the satellites... The app you are using is using the GPS satellites. That information is still collect and used for analytics and data mining......and yes Apple does it too....

While you might be wearing a tin foil hat...I am not. I am not that paranoid.
I am in noway giving anyone a pass or defending Google. I consent to them using my location and data to provide me with better services. That is what i and others have said all along....you are wearing the tin foil hat and claiming big brother is watching us and going to take over the world. The sky is falling....the sky is falling......




Your motives are very much suspect concerning Google. You by your own words thought they were great as long as they were in partnership with Apple. But once they competed in the same space......Google is bad now.
Even though they were doing the SAME thing while in partnership with Apple. They were only bad after the partnership ended. Unlike you I don't have such an allegiance to one company.....
Then you never have answered my question about Samsung either. I see a pattern developing....
Do you use social media? Have a Facebook account? Have a Instagram account....Twitter?
Anyway....getting tired of this argument.......going to go do some Google and Bing searches so they can mine my data.....Oh! I might even use Siri so Wolfram can mine my data too......

I have to agree. Im not paranoid either and regardless of how Alrescha sees it, Apple knows much more than he thinks.

Go commit a crime and see if they dont find out everything you have said or bought online, every call or text you have made...they will even if you only use Apple products. So Google gives you ads.....so what? I been using the same Twitter app for 4 years and it gives a small banner on the bottom and i hardly notice it. Cant tell you what the ads have been for.

Im just confused to what Alrescha thinks Google is going to find out that he doesnt want them to? That he likes Folgers coffee or Rayban sunglasses, went to Chucky Cheese or drives Ford vehicles? Im mean what would be damaging if you are a upstanding citizen?

I bet if someone stole his iPhone, he would like to have it pin pointed and found by using Apples service. They know where you are. A co worker one day was showing me that his Wife was at home from his phone. Called her when she was at the store another day to tell her to pick up something and didnt tell her he knew she was there already when she asked how he knew. Yep, they have iPhones.

Facebook is the worst and getting worse all the time. I have been on eBay often lately because ive sold some things and been looking at certain guitars. Well now im geting eBay on my Facebook asking me if im still interested in some ive looked at.....LOL. I doesnt really bother me, i just bypass it or click it off and go about my business.

Id suggest to Alrescha if he is so paranoid, to dump his smartphone and get a basic flip phone and not use the computer. Just using Siri is giving out plenty if he uses that and id be surprised it he doesnt.......or maybe he just hates Google because somebody quit Apple to go work there? 🙄

Im not going to jump into a debate. I dont really care. I know some people dont want to have info out everywhere but there is no real way to stop it unless you throw your tech away or perhaps you are very careful with your cookies ....which can be a pain in the ass to do all the time.

 

[Alrescha]

Im just confused to what Alrescha thinks Google is going to find out that he doesnt want them to? That he likes Folgers coffee or Rayban sunglasses, went to Chucky Cheese or drives Ford vehicles? Im mean what would be damaging if you are a upstanding citizen?

So you are going to go with "nothing to hide"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

They know where you are. A co worker one day was showing me that his Wife was at home from his phone. Called her when she was at the store another day to tell her to pick up something and didnt tell her he knew she was there already when she asked how he knew. Yep, they have iPhones.

Yep, they have iPhones. And they have purposely turned on "Find my friends" or "Find my iPhone". Do you think that is the same thing as Google tracking you when you go shopping at Amazon or NewEgg?

I'm not going to jump into a debate.

Too late! 🙂

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A postscript: You said "regardless of how Alrescha sees it, Apple knows much more than he thinks." I would like to point out that I have made no statements about how much Apple knows. I have provided links which illustrate that Apple tries to know less about me than others.

 

[Alrescha]

You have an admitted agenda against Google yet others that do the same get a pass........

• I have said only that I do not like them anymore.
  
  
• This is a thread about Google.
  
  
• As demonstrated in this thread, Google does stuff that nobody else does. See: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19272112/
  
  
• You have gone from responding to my points to attacking my motives. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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[Vegastouch]

I won't keep going on but Google let's you know what they are keeping track of before you install a app and Apple doesn't let you know. As long as you admit it happens. You just dont know how much but there isn't much difference in what they know. You just choose to turn a blind eye and that's OK if it makes you feel better.

Seems you do have it out a bit for Google for your reason. Not sure why it bothers you though. People change jobs all the time in every aspect. You see it in sports a lot as well. Player A is hated for years till he comes to your team then all is well.

 

[jamezr]

I have to agree. Im not paranoid either and regardless of how Alrescha sees it, Apple knows much more than he thinks.

Go commit a crime and see if they dont find out everything you have said or bought online, every call or text you have made...they will even if you only use Apple products. So Google gives you ads.....so what? I been using the same Twitter app for 4 years and it gives a small banner on the bottom and i hardly notice it. Cant tell you what the ads have been for.

Im just confused to what Alrescha thinks Google is going to find out that he doesnt want them to? That he likes Folgers coffee or Rayban sunglasses, went to Chucky Cheese or drives Ford vehicles? Im mean what would be damaging if you are a upstanding citizen?

I bet if someone stole his iPhone, he would like to have it pin pointed and found by using Apples service. They know where you are. A co worker one day was showing me that his Wife was at home from his phone. Called her when she was at the store another day to tell her to pick up something and didnt tell her he knew she was there already when she asked how he knew. Yep, they have iPhones.

Facebook is the worst and getting worse all the time. I have been on eBay often lately because ive sold some things and been looking at certain guitars. Well now im geting eBay on my Facebook asking me if im still interested in some ive looked at.....LOL. I doesnt really bother me, i just bypass it or click it off and go about my business.

Id suggest to Alrescha if he is so paranoid, to dump his smartphone and get a basic flip phone and not use the computer. Just using Siri is giving out plenty if he uses that and id be surprised it he doesnt.......or maybe he just hates Google because somebody quit Apple to go work there? 🙄

Im not going to jump into a debate. I dont really care. I know some people dont want to have info out everywhere but there is no real way to stop it unless you throw your tech away or perhaps you are very careful with your cookies ....which can be a pain in the ass to do all the time.

Agreed on all counts....
When everyone in my house had iphones I could always do that with my teenaged son. I could always track him without him knowing it.......
So easy to do.....My wife never knew I knew where was all the time! It was kinda creepy sometimes. But you can rest assured.....if I could do it......Apple had the same info as well.....

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• I have said only that I do not like them anymore.
  
  Your exact words:
  
  

  You are right, I do not like Google very much anymore. I was excited when they were an Apple partner, and Apple and Google were bringing the wonders of technology to our desktops and pockets. History happened. That excitement was kicked to the curb, probably never to return.

• This is a thread about Google.
  
  I have proven your agenda is against Google while Apple does the same or worse yet not a mention from you......you pick and choose who you are outraged against based on your allegiance to Apple....
  I have shown you the data against Apple with Siri...yet not a word....you continue to to ignore the facts because it does suit your agenda against Google.
  
  
• As demonstrated in this thread, Google does stuff that nobody else does. See: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19272112/
  
  
• You have gone from responding to my points to attacking my motives.
  
  
  Your motives are clear.....Everything Apple is good.....Apple competitors very bad.......If privacy was your concern then you would be commenting on how Apple and others data mine and use our meta data. But you do not......Even your own words are coming back to haunt you now..... You didn't mind Google when they were partners with Apple but when that soured. Now you hate Google. That was your own words......that why your motives are suspect.....you lack credibility now......
  
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[Robster3]

I don't have a problem with Google and i like Android, their just isn't a descent phone to run it on.
Android L looks good.