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All in one dongle, made possible by USC-C says it all really. The uproar is overstated.

On the loss of an SD Card slot, SD Card slots in macs are notoriously unreliable. No idea why. I've had to purchase a USB card reader for those moments were the card is simply not seen for two macbook pros. So maybe it was a wise decision on the part of Apple to leave that one out ;)
 
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In regards to SD card, I tried that out with my '15 MBP as well using one of those drive adapters (i.e. only getting 256 GB of internal storage and supplementing with a 256 GB SD card) and found it to be more trouble than it was worth. The drive would be slow to mount on boot up from sleep/had random disconnects which subsequently wreaked havoc on some apps (like Photos library - constantly gave errors if the app were open while the computer was sleeping). The hassle/inconsistencies with using an SD to expand built-in storage just isn't worth it to save a few dollars. An SD card reader built in to an all-in-one USB-C dock is far more reliable for removable storage and it replaces all those USB-A ports and an HDMI in a small package.
 
Y'all didn't choose the dongle life. The dongle life chose y'all.

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But what if I don't upgrade my drives and external hard drive anytime soon bc they work great. Or don't plan of putting aside my SD card and throw away my perfectly awesome dell monitor.

How am I buying into the future?

Seems like the dongle life would be the only future.

I am pretty sure you can bundle them all together using a single dock or adaptor. You would still be buying into the future in a sense.
 
I find the answers all a bit ridiculous in this thread to very real real-world concerns. Many people are evidently saying everything else in the world will change to suit this laptop or you should remember to carry dongles everywhere you go.

1 HDMI - Your company ceo probably can't be bothered looking for a new projector for in the board room for a while. And when you come in for that meeting remember to carry your dongles with you at all times now.
2 Magsafe. - When on stage in your band as the keyboard player using the new Macbook the next time your guitarist trips over your power cable, there goes your new $4000 macbook.
3 & 5 No USB - You instantly lose quick compatibility to millions of devices such as external hdd, millions of thumb drives and printers out there in the real world. -> Dongles. Why should one need them for the most popular basic connection type around the world? How does a dongle help user experience? The problem with Apple relying on their own and third party dongles you indeed can easily (if you have a dodgy dongle - which many USB-C ones seem to be at the moment) ruin user experience. Isn't Apple all supposed to be about better user experience hence the price hikes? Even if Apple had left two USB 3 ports on the Macbook Pro it would have not caused any of this controversy to this extent.
4 No SD Card - Screw the photographers, who needs them heh? What have designers and photographers ever done for Apple!

The fact Apple at the moment are listing the OLD macbook pro on the new Macbook Pro page to buy (scroll down) tells me someone is realising they have made a mistake going full USB-C.

This is not a "Pro" laptop in my opinion. The word "Pro" in Apple's vocabulary has now been hijacked to just mean rich consumer rather than someone who makes a living by using the device (see iPad Pro. WTF?!). In the real world this Macbook "Pro" will not suit a large part of the original Macbook Pro user base. The practicality has gone out of the window to suit elitist thin-ness Apple arrogant one connection nonsense.

The new keyboard is noisy as hell too btw. Again a step backwards if you ask me.

Sure USB-C will be the future but I highly doubt Apple will help its adoption by switching so early and making their computers now far more expensive. Even if they add only USB-C ports on the next iMacs or even Mac Pros they in a sense are shooting themselves in the foot.

Someone like myself who has tons of gadgets at home currently all connected via USB (drives / music equipment / authorisation usb keys / photography equipment etc etc) instead of buying that new computer would hold off until the rest of all that tech catches up or worse (for Apple at least) just go back to Windows and forget this Apple carry on.

To me it seems very stupid what Apple are doing. Removing Lan port was already insane in my opinion. Wired network connections are always better and more secure.
 
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instead of buying that new computer would hold off until the rest of all that tech catches up

What does this even mean? Are you expecting your peripherals to grow new cords at some point? The tech has already caught up. Any new thing you buy now already comes with a USB3 cable (except iPhone, yes that's absurd and ironic).

I/O has been in constant flux for decades, and every time something changes all the n00bs come along and get mad about it.

I remember floppy disks. Copying them with a second external floppy disk drive so you could duplicate Maniac Mansion. Making photocopies of all the codes you used to need to play videogames before DRM existed.

I wasn't mad when Compact Disks came along.
 
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Apple used to cater to people who needed a bit more than the least common denominator. They don't anymore.

Name any other notebook computer on the market that has 4 ports capable of 40Gb/s throughput. That's right. There aren't any. Just because they are switching to a more advanced port that requires some adapters or new cables to support legacy equipment doesn't mean they are catering to the lowest common denominator. It's like 1998 again, where they are pushing forward to the newest technology without looking back.
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The fact Apple at the moment are listing the OLD macbook pro on the new Macbook Pro page to buy (scroll down) tells me someone is realising they have made a mistake going full USB-C.

This is not a "Pro" laptop in my opinion. The word "Pro" in Apple's vocabulary has now been hijacked to just mean rich consumer rather than someone who makes a living by using the device (see iPad Pro. WTF?!). In the real world this Macbook "Pro" will not suit a large part of the original Macbook Pro user base. The practicality has gone out of the window to suit elitist thin-ness Apple arrogant one connection nonsense.
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To me it seems very stupid what Apple are doing. Removing Lan port was already insane in my opinion. Wired network connections are always better and more secure.

No, they are keeping the BASE models of the old version around for a short time so that they can justify the higher price points for the new models. I don't ever expect them to release a new MacBook/MacBook Pro with legacy ports. It's full steam ahead with Thunderbolt 3 (and USB-C on the 12" MacBook). There really is no need for another port since USB-C cables, adapters, and hubs can handle the legacy connections.

Ethernet is on the way out, and it was a smart move back in 2012 relegating them to adapters. Even most "pros" value the convenience of wireless.

The fact that Apple put 4 TB3 ports in the MacBook Pros tells you that they are still catering to those who want to plug devices into their Macs. If they were going full-on with the hub view they'd have put in one like they did with the 12" MacBook.
 
I have late 2013 rMBP 2.6/8/256. I use these ports daily:

1) HDMI for external monitor
2) Power cable to keep keep rMBP charged
3) USB for external hard drive for Time Machine backup
4) Permanent SD card for extra space since I only have 256 GBs SSD.
5) Second USB for lightning dock to keep iPhone charged

That's almost everything. It seems apparent I really need my ports!

You need ports?

Good news! There are still ports on the new Macbook Pro. And they are these new awesome ports that can be almost anything!

You'll need:

1. Adapter from USB-C/TB to HDMI (or maybe just a cable?)
2. Power cable is included in the box
3. USB-C to USB cable
4. Sorry... no built-in solution :(
5. USB-C to USB cable

With the exception of #4... you can plug all the same things into the new Macbook Pro that you can on your current Macbook Pro.

It just might require a couple new cables and/or an adapter.

But the ports are there! :)
 
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I find the answers all a bit ridiculous in this thread to very real real-world concerns. Many people are evidently saying everything else in the world will change to suit this laptop or you should remember to carry dongles everywhere you go.

1 HDMI - Your company ceo probably can't be bothered looking for a new projector for in the board room for a while. And when you come in for that meeting remember to carry your dongles with you at all times now.
2 Magsafe. - When on stage in your band as the keyboard player using the new Macbook the next time your guitarist trips over your power cable, there goes your new $4000 macbook.
3 & 5 No USB - You instantly lose quick compatibility to millions of devices such as external hdd, millions of thumb drives and printers out there in the real world. -> Dongles. Why should one need them for the most popular basic connection type around the world? How does a dongle help user experience? The problem with Apple relying on their own and third party dongles you indeed can easily (if you have a dodgy dongle - which many USB-C ones seem to be at the moment) ruin user experience. Isn't Apple all supposed to be about better user experience hence the price hikes? Even if Apple had left two USB 3 ports on the Macbook Pro it would have not caused any of this controversy to this extent.
4 No SD Card - Screw the photographers, who needs them heh? What have designers and photographers ever done for Apple!

The fact Apple at the moment are listing the OLD macbook pro on the new Macbook Pro page to buy (scroll down) tells me someone is realising they have made a mistake going full USB-C.

This is not a "Pro" laptop in my opinion. The word "Pro" in Apple's vocabulary has now been hijacked to just mean rich consumer rather than someone who makes a living by using the device (see iPad Pro. WTF?!). In the real world this Macbook "Pro" will not suit a large part of the original Macbook Pro user base. The practicality has gone out of the window to suit elitist thin-ness Apple arrogant one connection nonsense.

The new keyboard is noisy as hell too btw. Again a step backwards if you ask me.

Sure USB-C will be the future but I highly doubt Apple will help its adoption by switching so early and making their computers now far more expensive. Even if they add only USB-C ports on the next iMacs or even Mac Pros they in a sense are shooting themselves in the foot.

Someone like myself who has tons of gadgets at home currently all connected via USB (drives / music equipment / authorisation usb keys / photography equipment etc etc) instead of buying that new computer would hold off until the rest of all that tech catches up or worse (for Apple at least) just go back to Windows and forget this Apple carry on.

To me it seems very stupid what Apple are doing. Removing Lan port was already insane in my opinion. Wired network connections are always better and more secure.
The term "Pro" was not hijacked by Apple. It was their own marketing term from the beginning. What has occurred, is a certain segment of Apple users decided to give their own meaning to its use, being very protective and at times, impudent when said segment felt it was being used by those the segment felt were unclean (read: not really pro users in their eyes). You can see the "pro" club members on this forum spouting logical fallacy nonsense, as if the subjective term "pro," has meant what they (said segment) projected it to mean all along. They feel so like they have been cheated by Apple. They are playing the Apple victim card very well, as they continue to type away on their Apple keyboard feeling less smug and elite every day, because now, more and more people will own "pro" computers without being "pros." The utter horror of it all...

In regards to Apple selling older models on its site, they have always done that.It is called selling all the inventory you can, instead of it sitting on the shelf taking away from the net profit line. No hidden conspiracy or sign that someone at Apple screwed up. it is business 101.

Amazing how clear everything really is, when one doesn't look through projection lenses, and the underlying bias is seen for what it is and is removed.
 
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I have late 2013 rMBP 2.6/8/256. I use these ports daily:

1) HDMI for external monitor

2) Power cable to keep keep rMBP charged

3) USB for external hard drive for Time Machine backup

4) Permanent SD card for extra space since I only have 256 GBs SSD.

5) Second USB for lightning dock to keep iPhone charged

That's almost everything. It seems apparent I really need my ports!


Cool. Thanks for adding to the droning cacophoney of complaints regarding the removal of varied ports in the new MacBook Pros. I advise not buying the new ones.

Can we all move on?
 
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Since you rarely connect more than two devices at a time all you really need to do at minimum is replace your monitor cable and buy one A to C adapter that can be used alternatively with all you have.
 
I find the answers all a bit ridiculous in this thread to very real real-world concerns. Many people are evidently saying everything else in the world will change to suit this laptop or you should remember to carry dongles everywhere you go.
No, what I am saying is that the onus is ultimately on you as the end user to optimize your working environment to allow your new MacBook Pro to thrive in. Instead of just sitting around, complaining and doing absolutely nothing about it.

For example, as a teacher wanting to use his iPad in the classroom, I am comfortable bringing around my VGA adaptor with me if I think I will need it (it fits nicely in my shirt pocket). I have an Apple TV set up in my classroom for AirPlay mirroring. All paid for with my own money.

If you can't, or are unwilling to seed the ground to make this happen, then don't get this laptop.

1 HDMI - Your company ceo probably can't be bothered looking for a new projector for in the board room for a while. And when you come in for that meeting remember to carry your dongles with you at all times now.
Don't worry, we will.

2 Magsafe. - When on stage in your band as the keyboard player using the new Macbook the next time your guitarist trips over your power cable, there goes your new $4000 macbook.
Apple's fault that the people around you are so clumsy, it seems.

3 & 5 No USB - You instantly lose quick compatibility to millions of devices such as external hdd, millions of thumb drives and printers out there in the real world. -> Dongles. Why should one need them for the most popular basic connection type around the world? How does a dongle help user experience? The problem with Apple relying on their own and third party dongles you indeed can easily (if you have a dodgy dongle - which many USB-C ones seem to be at the moment) ruin user experience. Isn't Apple all supposed to be about better user experience hence the price hikes? Even if Apple had left two USB 3 ports on the Macbook Pro it would have not caused any of this controversy to this extent.
No controversy, but then we would still be in the same situation where USB C is struggling to gain traction.

I am not saying the transition will be a painless one. I am saying that it will all be worth it in the very end.
4 No SD Card - Screw the photographers, who needs them heh? What have designers and photographers ever done for Apple!
Use an adaptor.

Alternatively, it won't be surprising if we see more cameras come with alternate means of transferring data. Maybe cameras might even support USB C data transfer in the future?

I find that we people are very quick to identify and criticize obvious flaws and shortcomings, not so much when it comes to recognizing how the situation can change in response to the new normal.

For instance, when Apple blocked flash on iOS, it dramatically improved the popularity of HTML 5 and spurred the development of native apps for iOS. Sometimes, it's a chicken and egg scenario. We have to make things happen, rather than wait for things to happen.

The fact Apple at the moment are listing the OLD macbook pro on the new Macbook Pro page to buy (scroll down) tells me someone is realising they have made a mistake going full USB-C.
That's for the buyer to decide, not Apple.

I believe that time will show that Apple is on the right side of history.

This is not a "Pro" laptop in my opinion. The word "Pro" in Apple's vocabulary has now been hijacked to just mean rich consumer rather than someone who makes a living by using the device (see iPad Pro. WTF?!). In the real world this Macbook "Pro" will not suit a large part of the original Macbook Pro user base. The practicality has gone out of the window to suit elitist thin-ness Apple arrogant one connection nonsense.
No comment.

The new keyboard is noisy as hell too btw. Again a step backwards if you ask me.
Okay.

Sure USB-C will be the future but I highly doubt Apple will help its adoption by switching so early and making their computers now far more expensive. Even if they add only USB-C ports on the next iMacs or even Mac Pros they in a sense are shooting themselves in the foot.
And that is precisely what makes Apple so awesome in my book. They "skate to where the puck will be", meaning Apple is not afraid to lay its reputation on the line and use its influence to push for new technology which they believe comprise the future of computing.

How many other companies can claim to be as daring?

Someone like myself who has tons of gadgets at home currently all connected via USB (drives / music equipment / authorisation usb keys / photography equipment etc etc) instead of buying that new computer would hold off until the rest of all that tech catches up or worse (for Apple at least) just go back to Windows and forget this Apple carry on.
To each their own.

My advice to you them is to simply do what you think is best in your situation. Other people will do likewise. Let us all vote with our wallets, and see how it all unfolds.

When USB C does take off in the future, just don't forget to thank the respective early adopters for making this possible.

To me it seems very stupid what Apple are doing. Removing Lan port was already insane in my opinion. Wired network connections are always better and more secure.
They are also too thick for the current MacBook pros at any rate. Wifi is way more convenient, and sometimes, that counts just as much.
 
Im a power user and now only have to plug in two cables instead of 4 before.

I have:

1x USB-C to Power, HDMI and USB-A
1x USB-C to DVI

I keep a USB-C to USB-A adapter in my bag for emergencies. I plan on buying a USB-C/A dual flash drive.
 
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I have late 2013 rMBP 2.6/8/256. I use these ports daily:

1) HDMI for external monitor

2) Power cable to keep keep rMBP charged

3) USB for external hard drive for Time Machine backup

4) Permanent SD card for extra space since I only have 256 GBs SSD.

5) Second USB for lightning dock to keep iPhone charged

That's almost everything. It seems apparent I really need my ports!

HDMI dongle lets you connect HDMI, power, and external hard drive all at once - which if you're using it in a "docked" configuration, you're probably going to want to connect all three at once anyway, so now instead of plugging in three cables, you only plug in one - you leave the HDMI, power, and external hard drive connected to the dongle at all times.

USB for lightning - just get a USB-C to Lightning cable.

Yes, the SD slot going away stings. It's the only thing I think was a bad move.
 
I recently bought the 13"MacBook Pro with touchbar and 512gb SSD to replace my early 2011 13" MacBook Pro. In regards to the ports, Basically for me I used the MagSafe, which I admit I will miss, but I can adapt to charging my Mac with the USB-C. USB-C charges a lot faster than the MagSafe did anyway. Other than that and maybe the SD card slot once or twice over the past few years not a big loss of that port. I may have plugged in a USB device a few times, but don't remember when or why. I never used any of the other ports. Didn't see the need. The fact that this machine doesn't have all those ports doesn't bother me in the least. If there is some device I need to plug in, if it has USB-C then great, if not I can pick up the right adaptor.

One more thing, my 2011 also had an optical drive and I don't think I have used it for either watching a DVD or listening to a CD or even burning a disc in at least 5 years, so I am happy not to have that in the machine. I like that the new MacBook Pro is so light. In regards to the storage, my old MacBook Pro had 320gb, this new one is 512gb, the old Mac had 4gb RAM, the new one 8GB. So for me a substantial upgrade right there. I keep most data in iCloud or OneDrive so that it is available wherever I go and on whatever machine I may be using.

Since I don't use all the ports does that mean I am not a "Pro" user? I do a lot of work with Excel, Word, Pages, and Numbers. Starting to do more in PowerPoint and Key Note. Using the built in "office" apps and Office 365 has been great for me. With Office 365 I just log into my account and all my docs are accessible whether I am on the MacBook, iPad, iPhone, iMac or even the PC I use at work. Same with the "iWork" apps from Apple.

When it comes to photos, these days I mainly use my iPhone for photos. I have a Nikon DSLR that is almost 10 years old, that I honestly can say I have not used in at least 3 years. Should I decide to use it again, I'll pick up the SD card adaptor, or use the lightening SD adaptor I bought a few years ago to transfer the pictures to my iPad. Then they can go through the cloud to my Mac easy peasy. At this point though I think I'll probably just use the iPhone 7 since it fits in my pocket rather than lugging the DSLR around.

I don't use a laptop to have cables attached to it. If I wanted that, well I'll just stay at home with my iMac.
 
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Basically, you buy adapters for everything, because apple r̶e̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶s̶ ̶u̶r̶ ̶m̶o̶n̶e̶y̶ is pushing the technology forward.

Actually, not really, because if they cared even a tiny bit about future-proof laptops, they would make them with upgradable components.
 
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