Because I don't do things that use hyper threading. It would pretty much be a waste of $200.
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How do you justify your lavish spending on a fully-loaded 27"
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Because I don't do things that use hyper threading. It would pretty much be a waste of $200.
£3697 !! Wow I didn't realise a fully loaded was that much. I choose the i7, 680MX and I went for getting the 3TB Fusion instead of the 768Gb SSD, got the 32GB Ram myself from Crucial, and it all works out £2,400 with a 6% Educational discount. Makes a considerable difference (nearly £1300) going for Apple 32 Gb Ram and the 768Gb SSD options, which I doubt many folk would actually choose.
My 2007 iMac has never missed a beat in over 5 years and never needed hardware support. It is running the latest Mac OS, Mountain Lion (albeit a few features are not supported). It runs most of my other software without a problem though X-Plane is just a waste of time on it :-( So I do expect my new 2012 iMac to last 5 years reasonably well, especially as its a top of the range spec, which none of my other iMacs have been, and for less than £500 a year
You do raise some valid points though, just felt you were at extremes in costings
£3697 !! Wow I didn't realise a fully loaded was that much. I choose the i7, 680MX and I went for getting and the 3TB Fusion instead of the 768Gb SSD, got the 32GB Ram myself from Crucial, and it all works out £2,400 with a 6% Educational discount. Makes a considerable difference (over £1000) going for Apple Ram and the 768Gb SSD which I doubt many folk would actually choose.
My 2007 iMac has never missed a beat in over 5 years and never needed hardware support. It is running the latest Mac OS, Mountain Lion (albeit a few features are not supported). It runs most of my other software without a problem though X-Plane is just a waste of time on it :-( So I do expect my new 2012 iMac to last 5 years reasonably well, especially as its a top of the range spec, which none of my other iMacs have been, and for less than £500 a year
You do raise some valid points though, just felt you were at extremes in costings
Off topic a bit ... But may I ask, as I have same vintage IMac still on Snow Leopard, is it just as smooth and not slower on Mountain Lion? Mine also has been perfect, never been repaired, never crashes, the most stable OS ever, in my experience. But, there would be advantages in having same OS as on the Air.
My Daughter now uses it and no complaints. I regularly run software download so everything is running at the latest versions. It's on 24/7 and no problems whatsoever that I have noticed since it went onto Mountain Lion. Can't really comment on its performance compared to Leopard as I have always upgraded all my Macs as soon as new software comes out and that is now a few versions ago. Most of my Apps are Apple ones such as iLife and iWorks so they seem to keep working fine on older Macs.
Hence why I expect my new iMac to have many years of service. My oldest Mac is an original 2005 Mac Mini and it is still running fine on Leopard. Used mainly as a file and print server now.
The overall price of the 27" is excessive, the added options that would make it more pleasing come at an unjust cost; especially the SSD.
Apple is very smart in a sarcastic way of providing a base model that is rarely the purchased item, when at the Apple store (config screen) we simply click on a small caret to upgrade.
Sadly, as the upgrade is performed the price continues to advance, when finished we are at the $3500 + mark.
The latter is a basic retail scam that is continually taking advantage of common folk.
Apple should be more loving to their customer base, after all it is us who is allowing them to stay in business; review Sharp, Panasonic and Sony's quartely reviews - Sharp & Pan have posted billion dollar losses, Sony is in the millions.
Only Samsung & Apple posted any quartely gains this year (2012).
Apple people are generally always viewed as being smart, leading edge - I have come to the conclusion that they are simple people trying to live in an unbalanced society with the desire to stand-out; all at a great/selfish cost...
I mean no disrespect with the above opinion - I have many friends with Apple products they all appear to fall in the above category.
Apple is very smart in a sarcastic way of providing a base model that is rarely the purchased item, when at the Apple store (config screen) we simply click on a small caret to upgrade.
Sadly, as the upgrade is performed the price continues to advance, when finished we are at the $3500 + mark.
The latter is a basic retail scam that is continually taking advantage of common folk.
Apple should be more loving to their customer base, after all it is us who is allowing them to stay in business; review Sharp, Panasonic and Sony's quartely reviews - Sharp & Pan have posted billion dollar losses, Sony is in the millions.
Only Samsung & Apple posted any quartely gains this year (2012).
Apple people are generally always viewed as being smart, leading edge - I have come to the conclusion that they are simple people trying to live in an unbalanced society with the desire to stand-out; all at a great/selfish cost...
I mean no disrespect with the above opinion - I have many friends with Apple products they all appear to fall in the above category.
The overall price of the 27" is excessive, the added options that would make it more pleasing come at an unjust cost; especially the SSD.
Apple is very smart in a sarcastic way of providing a base model that is rarely the purchased item, when at the Apple store (config screen) we simply click on a small caret to upgrade.
Sadly, as the upgrade is performed the price continues to advance, when finished we are at the $3500 + mark.
The latter is a basic retail scam that is continually taking advantage of common folk.
Apple should be more loving to their customer base, after all it is us who is allowing them to stay in business; review Sharp, Panasonic and Sony's quartely reviews - Sharp & Pan have posted billion dollar losses, Sony is in the millions.
Only Samsung & Apple posted any quartely gains this year (2012).
Apple people are generally always viewed as being smart, leading edge - I have come to the conclusion that they are simple people trying to live in an unbalanced society with the desire to stand-out; all at a great/selfish cost...
I mean no disrespect with the above opinion - I have many friends with Apple products they all appear to fall in the above category.
None taken, not at all.
But at the end of the day we live in a free society and buy what we want whether it be for utility or because we think its shiny and cool. We also are able to charge what we can get for our labors and products—nothing to be embarrassed about.
Porsche does exactly the same thing. You can easily add over 50% of the base price in options some of which may be standard equipment on less expensive cars. IMHO, they both do a superb job catering to their target markets. Both segments are growing like crazy and must be doing a lot of things right as they grow their customer base.
Just random thoughts—sorry to go OT.
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It's not for me... I could not justify spending that much for a computer I can't tinker with or repair myself. But for someone who has the money and wants a top shelf AIO computer how is it different than people who buy $80K+ luxury cars? And why to they need to justify it to anyone other than their accountant and maybe S.O.?
I ordered the maxed out with 768gb ssd. But 8gb ram (adding 32gb myself). In the us it would cost 2000$ less than what I pay
I buy a new computer every 4-5 years. Might as well stock up on the top of the line. Can't really say I needed the fully loaded 27", but would like this iMac to outlive most life cycles.
I'm just going to load up a top end Imac which pushes it over $4K here in the USA. I bought my current computer in 2002 (Sony Vaio running XP). I wouldn't bother with all the upgrades but justify it because because I plan to edit video and possibly 4K video at some point. I think this computer will last well into the future for my uses. If I can push this computer as long as my current one, cost of ownership will be about $30 a month.
It's especially appealing that there are no moving parts in this computer except for the fans of course. We're truly into the next generation of computing with these SSD drives.
It's especially appealing that there are no moving parts in this computer except for the fans of course. We're truly into the next generation of computing with these SSD drives.
Apple people are generally always viewed as being smart, leading edge - I have come to the conclusion that they are simple people trying to live in an unbalanced society with the desire to stand-out; all at a great/selfish cost...
I mean no disrespect with the above opinion - I have many friends with Apple products they all appear to fall in the above category.
You really don't think that your statement is disrespectful? You've written that people who buy Apple products do so to distinguish themselves from others and are simple and selfish.
Personally, I buy Macs because I prefer using OS X to Windows, have had very good experience as far as reliability is concerned, and have invested a good deal in Mac-compatible software. I could have opted for a Hackintosh instead of a new iMac, but don't have the time.
I would go with a larger HDD inside the machine as opposed to using externals any day. You'll have faster and more efficient access to your information and you won't have the unnecessary cable mess. When I upgraded my 2009 iMac to a 3TB an was able to get rid of my externals, I was almost ecstatic.
I think you made good choices and would be more than happy to be able to afford the same machine right now. Enjoy it!
The absolutely very last thing on earth I want to do when I come home from work and want to use my computer is mess about with it, worry about software updates breaking it, have to assemble it in the first place.
The £1640 I spent on my 27" iMac with 680MX (edu pricing) is well worth it for me. I will run OS X, it will run modern games (in OS X and via bootcamp) and will be with me for at least 5 years. It is replacing a 2006 iMac that I spent £1100 on all those years ago. For the price per year of the "genuine" machine, for me there is simply no question that it is totally, totally worth it.
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Very few people need hyperthreading.
The only real benefit of the i7 over the i5 is that slightly higher base clock speed.
For the price delta for the i5>i7 upgrade ($200), it's simply not worth it. By contrast, the delta between the 675MX and 680MX GPU at $150 is a marked increase in performance, as is the performance increase for the money to get the fusion drive.
Very few people really need the i7, and the cost saving for leaving it out still gives you almost the same performance unless you are doing very specific things that take heavy advantage of HT or constant high workloads on all 4 cores.
I have just recently started working on video projects such as music videos so am considering a new iMac as i think my 2012 13" mbp and ACD are just not upto it and may sell them.
£1741 with a 3 year warranty for the following...
3.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5
Im also thinking of buying a samsung 830 ssd and 32gb ram for the iMac.
The only thing i would miss is being portable. I hate being stuck in the studio all the time.
Although i could use the wifes mbp.
£1741 with a 3 year warranty for the following...
3.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5
Im also thinking of buying a samsung 830 ssd and 32gb ram for the iMac.
The only thing i would miss is being portable. I hate being stuck in the studio all the time.
Although i could use the wifes mbp.
Considering the fact that desktop/laptop market is shrinking, I don't understand how Apple justifies raising the price tag on new iMacs. They don't care how many they will sell?
I am the kind of person who buys high-end hardware and I can definitely afford high-end iMac. But after doing some simple math, I came to conclusion that it's no longer a worth while investment. I don't use Logic (is there even going to be new Logic?) and Final Cut Pro. I can do web development on Linux as efficiently. All I need is Python, Ruby, PostgreSQL and a text editor (which is cross-platform anyway). and play games without being constrained by mobility chip of iMac. So, yeah, this is first time in a very, very long time I consider switching the platform. Rather sad.
I am the kind of person who buys high-end hardware and I can definitely afford high-end iMac. But after doing some simple math, I came to conclusion that it's no longer a worth while investment. I don't use Logic (is there even going to be new Logic?) and Final Cut Pro. I can do web development on Linux as efficiently. All I need is Python, Ruby, PostgreSQL and a text editor (which is cross-platform anyway). and play games without being constrained by mobility chip of iMac. So, yeah, this is first time in a very, very long time I consider switching the platform. Rather sad.
I checked with my legal department (wife) and she said it was fine. I find it funny that people need other people to help them justify spending the money. If you have the money, buy however much computer you need, and move on. Why keep looking for validation?
So people who build Pc's for a living have to mess with them? Honestly your post makes no sense. If you build something correctly that is tried and tested then you do not need to worry. I mean if you don't know much about computers then I guess that's why Apple makes so much money..........
Truth is the real reason I am using Mac is for the software, if you can build a better system for less and have it work perfectly then it makes sense.
Also just because Mac does an update doesn't mean you have to, just stay on top of things. There are entire communities for this.
I love my 2011 iMac, but also know Apple dropped the ball with this and are charging more for less compared to last years model. I remember a time when apple actually were innovators , they are losing that title.........
And then it would kernel panic every 5 min after the next OS update
Agreed!!!! These kind of people shouldn't use Mac or Apple products because they just don't get it
That's not what I said. I'm a computer expert and work with them all the time. I also strip down laptops and repair them.
However, that doesn't mean I want to be doing that all the time, and the fact of the matter regarding hackintoshes is that if you build one (easy, but potentially time consuming getting all the bits you need) and get OS X running (easy) you can't be sure that it won't have issues down the line with future software updates.
I could build a PC in my sleep; I just don't want to. I just want a machine that works out of the box that I don't have to think about.
The weekend isn't over yet lol. I think im going to keep it, with all the upgrades i will not need to pull it apart for quite some time which is great. The only thing is the 3TB fusion does not work with bootcamp yet (i would like to play a few RTS games) Hopefully Apple come out with an update sooner rather then later for that as i don't want to deal with only 1TB of internal disk space in 2012 just so i can use bootcamp.
I have the trigger ready to purchase the top 27' model. But still, I am not convinced. I have a macbookpro now for about 4 years and went ok. But I openend it, changed ram, after HDD, after I added a SSD, etc.
The fact that the glass is glued heavily makes me thing if is right for me. Maybe I should get a Mac Pro and have all option open for future. I have seen the video today opening a iMac with the guitars tool and I saw myself already.... and I dont want to do it.
I am messed up.
The fact that the glass is glued heavily makes me thing if is right for me. Maybe I should get a Mac Pro and have all option open for future. I have seen the video today opening a iMac with the guitars tool and I saw myself already.... and I dont want to do it.
I am messed up.