Not quite. 80% (58/72) of the people who've voted on this poll and have updated to Lion seem to like it.
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How Does Everyone Like OS X Lion?
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Not quite. 80% (58/72) of the people who've voted on this poll and have updated to Lion seem to like it.
You guys can neg me all you want but the poll here in this thread pretty much echoes the ratings of Lion in the app store.
How so? 59 people so far have said YES, they like Lion and 16 people said NO. Oy vey.
Exactly!!, man some people on this forum just really want Lion to fail and it's obvious it bothers them that it's getting high praise outside of the usual armchair technicians on forums.
How so? 59 people so far have said YES, they like Lion and 16 people said NO. Oy vey.
Man, you guys take things so literally.
I'm comparing your 80% poll results to the "general" survey on the App Store. Just by "eyeball". My point is that Lion is not the slam dunk many are hoping for. I've actually never seen so much distaste for an new Apple OS before.
And while 80% will get you a license at the DMV I wouldn't want to fly an airline that boasted 8 out of 10 landings where all 3 wheels worked.
while 80% will get you a license at the DMV I wouldn't want to fly an airline that boasted 8 out of 10 landings where all 3 wheels worked.
Bad analogy. As far as I can tell, the airline with the highest customer satisfaction rating also scores 80/100.
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Somehow Flying in a plane and using Lion is not the same.. Lets take a batter..hitting 800% would be super star statusHow so? 59 people so far have said YES, they like Lion and 16 people said NO. Oy vey.
Man, you guys take things so literally.
I'm comparing your 80% poll results to the "general" survey on the App Store. Just by "eyeball". My point is that Lion is not the slam dunk many are hoping for. I've actually never seen so much distaste for an new Apple OS before.
And while 80% will get you a license at the DMV I wouldn't want to fly an airline that boasted 8 out of 10 landings where all 3 wheels worked.
It would be great if it wasn't for the WiFi issues and about 35GB of un-locatable 'other' taking up all of my SSD space. Until these bugs are fixed, Lion is pretty much unusable thanks to having no internet every 5 minutes and having no disk space no matter how many files I delete.
Taking things too literally.... I rest my case.
The wasted space is most likely caused by local backups. Go here to learn how to "undo" yet another Lion useless feature.
Can't help with the Wi-Fi problems though. My solution was Snow Leopard.The wasted space is most likely caused by local backups. Go here to learn how to "undo" yet another Lion useless feature.
Wow. Thanks a lot, that was just the trick. I still have around 11GB of 'other' for some reason, but it has certainly cleared a lot of disk space and actually lets me use my MBA again. Words cannot even begin to describe how grateful I am for your post.
It seems to me Apple didn't think many of these new features through at all.
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Mobile Backups are automatically deleted by the system once you're running out of space.
And why are you concerned about 11GB of 'other' space? Obviously not everything on your hard disk is either audio, movies, photos, apps or backups?!
Mine obviously weren't.
Because other than Music (~/Music/iTunes), Apps (/Applications), Movies (~/Movies) and Pictures (~/Pictures/iPhoto Library) I only have 56MB of 'Other' that I know about, which is all stored in ~/Documents.
Taking 6GB of OS X install into account, what is taking 5GB+ of storage?
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I think for most of us the "Other" category will always be the largest space eater. It's just all the crap that can't be classified including all OSX files:
Or... they "thunk" 'em through just a bit too much. (e.g., versions
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Just to make sure, did the system actually complain about running out of space? Did the Finder show that there was no more free space available? What problems were you having specifically? Or were you just going by the storage graph in the 'About this Mac' window?
Download and run GrandPerspective (or some app like it, e.g. DaisyDisk) – then you can tell us.
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Finder complained. As did iTunes. Constantly (no matter now many times I checked the 'Do Not Notify Me About This Issue' box.)
Why I'm staying with SL.
#1 The downgrading of Spaces and Expose. I find Mission Control to be less powerful, and I'm sure Apple can give us a choice between Classic Spaces/Expose and Mission Control.
#2 Lion's Full-Screen mode makes multiple monitors nearly useless. Snow Leopard's Full-Screen mode is in general better. True this is specific to the app. I just noticed the other day that even in SL, Itunes' Full-Screen mode behaves like Lion.
#3 The loss of the "Save As..." option.
#4 The loss of "Do you want to Save?"
#5 I don't want Resume, Versions or AutoSave and not all of these can be turned off.
Many of these, if not all, can be returned to Lion without loss of new features like Mission Control, and I hope Apple will start working on this.
#1 The downgrading of Spaces and Expose. I find Mission Control to be less powerful, and I'm sure Apple can give us a choice between Classic Spaces/Expose and Mission Control.
#2 Lion's Full-Screen mode makes multiple monitors nearly useless. Snow Leopard's Full-Screen mode is in general better. True this is specific to the app. I just noticed the other day that even in SL, Itunes' Full-Screen mode behaves like Lion.
#3 The loss of the "Save As..." option.
#4 The loss of "Do you want to Save?"
#5 I don't want Resume, Versions or AutoSave and not all of these can be turned off.
Many of these, if not all, can be returned to Lion without loss of new features like Mission Control, and I hope Apple will start working on this.
Man, you guys take things so literally.
I'm comparing your 80% poll results to the "general" survey on the App Store. Just by "eyeball". My point is that Lion is not the slam dunk many are hoping for. I've actually never seen so much distaste for an new Apple OS before.
And while 80% will get you a license at the DMV I wouldn't want to fly an airline that boasted 8 out of 10 landings where all 3 wheels worked.
Poor analogy and poor repair job. You lost the argument. I've read your other posts, you have quite a distaste for Lion and you're being vocal to the point that you're trying to scare others into not upgrading in a subtle manner.
Lion is a very good OS and it will only get better.
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First Mac ever, so cannot compare to the other Apple iOS's, but for me Lion is just fine, no issues for me what so ever. Like the fact that if one does have to reinstall the OS, its easier than using Windows Vista, or Windows 7, in that using them, one needs to be at the computer to type in settings during the beginning and through-out the process. Not so with Lion until the very end.
While the OS is reasonably stable, the UI changes in Lion make it a lot harder for someone who was used to having a powerful UI that was reasonably simple.
- Mission Control. Some people like or don't have a problem with Mission Control. Personally, Mission Control sucks and is a huge downgrade from Expose/Space. I can no longer see everything at once because windows cover one another. I can only Expose one Space at a time. Spaces on segregated alone when multiple displays are used. The Spaces icons are now extremely tiny, making it even harder to see what is on each Space and forcing me to swipe through 4-5 spaces to get a clear vision of where things are located.
Maybe this is fine for you. But it sucks ass for anyone that was used to having 40+ windows open at at time spread across 4 - 6 Spaces.
- iCal is remarkably stupid this time with even less functionality than in Snow Leopard combined with a santorum-nasty skin based upon a stupid desk calendar.
- Address Book is now crippled in order to look like my mother's old address book and can now only show 2 columns of information at a time. Thanks for reducing functionality just so Apple can make my computer look something old. Maybe Apple can have Jon Ives put in some vacuum tubes into the hardware to pay homage to the inefficient past.
- The sidebar icons in Finder are now grey, making it harder to find the things I'm looking for (although there are simple hacks to bring them back)
- The "Duplicate" instead of "Save As" is annoying because now I have to selected the old window and close it before I can continue my work
- Versions adds a lot more steps to doing simple, temporary changes to documents (such as checking a formula change in Excel) and heaven help you if you made a change that you didn't want saved and weren't really thinking about.
While Lion may have added a lot of new features, the UI decisions used to implement those features seems poorly thought out and not on par with the level of detail that I've come to expect from Apple products.
- Mission Control. Some people like or don't have a problem with Mission Control. Personally, Mission Control sucks and is a huge downgrade from Expose/Space. I can no longer see everything at once because windows cover one another. I can only Expose one Space at a time. Spaces on segregated alone when multiple displays are used. The Spaces icons are now extremely tiny, making it even harder to see what is on each Space and forcing me to swipe through 4-5 spaces to get a clear vision of where things are located.
Maybe this is fine for you. But it sucks ass for anyone that was used to having 40+ windows open at at time spread across 4 - 6 Spaces.
- iCal is remarkably stupid this time with even less functionality than in Snow Leopard combined with a santorum-nasty skin based upon a stupid desk calendar.
- Address Book is now crippled in order to look like my mother's old address book and can now only show 2 columns of information at a time. Thanks for reducing functionality just so Apple can make my computer look something old. Maybe Apple can have Jon Ives put in some vacuum tubes into the hardware to pay homage to the inefficient past.
- The sidebar icons in Finder are now grey, making it harder to find the things I'm looking for (although there are simple hacks to bring them back)
- The "Duplicate" instead of "Save As" is annoying because now I have to selected the old window and close it before I can continue my work
- Versions adds a lot more steps to doing simple, temporary changes to documents (such as checking a formula change in Excel) and heaven help you if you made a change that you didn't want saved and weren't really thinking about.
While Lion may have added a lot of new features, the UI decisions used to implement those features seems poorly thought out and not on par with the level of detail that I've come to expect from Apple products.
Apple has decided to bring its computer products down to the level of its iToys.
I have this power?
Seriously you're right on the money. My mission is to keep people I don't know, people I'll never meet, (most I don't care about), all from upgrading to Lion.
Whatever you say Tim.
My theory: During the development of iOS5 all the crackerjack coders were diverted to that side. Apple then pulled the old crew from the '84 mac division out of retirement to finish Lion.
There's no other explanation.
I still can't wrap my head around this concept. I can count the number of times on one testicle that I ever wished I could revert to an earlier draft of any document.
Edit: Oh my. We are now down to 78% on the Lion Like-o-Meter.
I think that the problem is that Apple did not address the platform correctly. Except for the new Music and Movies app in iOS5, I think that iOS does an excellent job presenting and handling content in a manner that is based upon the advantages and limitations of the iPhone and iPad single-button, touch-based hardware.
The problem that I have with Lion isn't that they added visual cues from iOS, but rather they added UI processes that are based around the limitation of iOS devices rather than utilizing UI processes that a suitable for a keyboard/mouse paradigm. The processes they implemented are for devices with extremely limited input and output capabilities, and Lion suffers because of these poor decisions.
What I like
* Full disk Filevault and true time-machine compatibility with Filevault (this was the key factor for me upgrading and deciding to stick with Lion)
* Mission control
* Full screen apps - but needs improvement for multi-monitor setups
* Gestures
What I dislike
* The iOS-ification of Mail.app and iCal.app
* Auto-save and Removal of "Save as"
* Resume
* Full disk Filevault and true time-machine compatibility with Filevault (this was the key factor for me upgrading and deciding to stick with Lion)
* Mission control
* Full screen apps - but needs improvement for multi-monitor setups
* Gestures
What I dislike
* The iOS-ification of Mail.app and iCal.app
* Auto-save and Removal of "Save as"
* Resume
Both of my main Macs running Lion seem slower, slighly bogged down, and tend to beachball more than on SL. Both of them occasionally freeze and have to be restarted.
Lion appears to follow the typical Apple new-OS model; lots of problems not present with the previous OS and it takes quite awhile for Apple to make the new OS do some of the same things as well as the old OS did. For a company that needs to make its software work with a surprisingly small number of hardware configurations I find Apple's new software issues baffling.
The main point of the new OS other than more modern security? Probably more content sales opportunities for Apple is what comes to my mind.
You might ask why I bothered so here's why. I wanted to try iCloud. I really don't use it for anything other than syncing with my iPhone. Additionally I don't want my data stored out there somewhere out of my control. iCloud is a current fanboy buzzword and I wanted to try it out accross three machines.
Secondly I use two browsers open at the same time and the ability to resize windows more like Windows is really handy. Control over windows is still not as good as with Windows but it makes the Mac a lot easier to use.
Finally some of the really stupid Lion stuff like no Save-As and the fugly Mail and Calendar don't matter because I use Office 2011.
Lion appears to follow the typical Apple new-OS model; lots of problems not present with the previous OS and it takes quite awhile for Apple to make the new OS do some of the same things as well as the old OS did. For a company that needs to make its software work with a surprisingly small number of hardware configurations I find Apple's new software issues baffling.
The main point of the new OS other than more modern security? Probably more content sales opportunities for Apple is what comes to my mind.
You might ask why I bothered so here's why. I wanted to try iCloud. I really don't use it for anything other than syncing with my iPhone. Additionally I don't want my data stored out there somewhere out of my control. iCloud is a current fanboy buzzword and I wanted to try it out accross three machines.
Secondly I use two browsers open at the same time and the ability to resize windows more like Windows is really handy. Control over windows is still not as good as with Windows but it makes the Mac a lot easier to use.
Finally some of the really stupid Lion stuff like no Save-As and the fugly Mail and Calendar don't matter because I use Office 2011.