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Super Spartan

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Never owned a MacBook, my laptop needs another 10 days to arrive but I'm so excited and was wondering how long does a MacBook Pro (with an i7 or i9 CPU) for example take to reboot from the moment you hit restart until you are back at the desktop and ready to use it?
 
Never owned a MacBook, my laptop needs another 10 days to arrive but I'm so excited and was wondering how long does a MacBook Pro (with an i7 or i9 CPU) for example take to reboot from the moment you hit restart until you are back at the desktop and ready to use it?
My 2017 MBP took less than 30 seconds.. don’t really recall because is was fast enough to not be a nuisance. That being said, macOS is basically Unix (inherited from NeXT) and doesn’t need to be rebooted very often. The most time-consuming thing is updating to a new version of macOS.. that particular reboot process takes time.
 
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My 2017 MBP took less than 30 seconds.. don’t really recall because is was fast enough to not be a nuisance. That being said, macOS is basically Unix (inherited from NeXT) and doesn’t need to be rebooted very often. The most time-consuming thing is updating to a new version of macOS.. that particular reboot process takes time.
I understand, on my Alienware Area-51m which has 2 NVMe SSDs in RAID 0, it takes a minute to reboot. Like when you reboot it just sits there at the Alienware logo waiting for I don't know what for about 25 seconds before you see the Windows loading icon start to spin. Probably because NVMe SSDs need more time to be initialized during a boot up process but it hurts me when I see my wife's 5 year old Dell Vostro laptop with a regular SATA SSD boot literally in 10 seconds from the moment she pushes the power button to the desktop screen while my 7K Alienware takes so long.
 
I understand, on my Alienware Area-51m which has 2 NVMe SSDs in RAID 0, it takes a minute to reboot. Like when you reboot it just sits there at the Alienware logo waiting for I don't know what for about 25 seconds before you see the Windows loading icon start to spin. Probably because NVMe SSDs need more time to be initialized during a boot up process but it hurts me when I see my wife's 5 year old Dell Vostro laptop with a regular SATA SSD boot literally in 10 seconds from the moment she pushes the power button to the desktop screen while my 7K Alienware takes so long.
The time difference between those two computers is likely the operating systems.. the more complicated the system the more time it takes to be ready for use. This is one of the reasons I love *nix based operating systems.. they’re designed to run for long periods of uptime. Just a guess, though, I jumped from Windows to Linux and Unix back in 2001 (and then to OS X in 2012) and haven’t touched a Microsoft product since.
 
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The time difference between those two computers is likely the operating systems.. the more complicated the system the more time it takes to be ready for use. This is one of the reasons I love *nix based operating systems.. they’re designed to run for long periods of uptime. Just a guess, though, I jumped from Windows to Linux and Unix back in 2001 (and then to OS X in 2012) and haven’t touched a Microsoft product since.
I have been a Windows user for 20 years, this is my first time to try MacOS and I never ever wanna touch anything coming from Microsoft. I am tried of formatting and wasting my life daily while others do some serious work on their computers.
 
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I have been a Windows user for 20 years, this is my first time to try MacOS and I never ever wanna touch anything coming from Microsoft. I am tried of formatting and wasting my life daily while others do some serious work on their computers.
Yeah, I think you’d like a Mac. You might end up bored, though, not much “work” involved because the macOS system basically takes care of itself.. leaving you free to have all the fun.

You could also buy a bootable thumb drive with a copy of Linux or BSD on it. That way you could play around with the *nix system without damaging the current operating system on your Alienware machine. That’s how many people get into using Linux/BSD. You’ll learn a lot about macOS too since macOS is based on the operating system used in NeXT computers. NeXT was created by Steve Jobs after he left Apple in the 80’s. Apple acquired NeXT and NextStep became the basis of OS X.
 
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A note: Macs with T2 Security Chips boot far more slowly than older machines without the chip if everything else is basically equal (SSDs, identical operating systems, etc.). The newer machines are going through extra security checks to verify system integrity.
Thank you for this, I was unaware of the impact the T2 has on the boot sequence.
 
Yeah, I think you’d like a Mac. You might end up bored, though, not much “work” involved because the macOS system basically takes care of itself.. leaving you free to have all the fun.

You could also buy a bootable thumb drive with a copy of Linux or BSD on it. That way you could play around with the *nix system without damaging the current operating system on your Alienware machine. That’s how many people get into using Linux/BSD. You’ll learn a lot about macOS too since macOS is based on the operating system used in NeXT computers. NeXT was created by Steve Jobs after he left Apple in the 80’s. Apple acquired NeXT and NextStep became the basis of OS X.
So true, a couple of years ago my wife boot a MacBook Air 13", I set it up for her and I was like what to do now? there was nothing to do other than a few app/OS updates and it was ready for action! With Windows, I'd format, install it, then have to spend at least 2-4 hours tweaking, disabling stuff, configuring, and installing apps, just to give you an example what a tragedy of an OS it is, see these guides that I compiled, yes I know Windows inside out but I am SICK of it beyond belief, one little glitch or mistake that a user does and BOOM! FORMAT! Waste another 48 hours reinstalling!

Windows 10 Clean Installation Guide
Windows 10 Tweaks and Fixes (Index post #1)
 
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So true, a couple of years ago my wife boot a MacBook Air 13", I set it up for her and I was like what to do now? there was nothing to do other than a few app/OS updates and it was ready for action! With Windows, I'd format, install it, then have to spend at least 2-4 hours tweaking, disabling stuff, configuring, and installing apps, just to give you an example what a tragedy of an OS it is, see these guides that I compiled, yes I know Windows inside out but I am SICK of it beyond belief, one little glitch or mistake that a user does and BOOM! FORMAT! Waste another 48 hours reinstalling!

Windows 10 Clean Installation Guide
Windows 10 Tweaks and Fixes (Index post #1)
I have owned a Mac mini (late 2012) and a MacBook Pro (refurbished 2017) and the worst experience I’ve ever had with OS X, now macOS, was that Safari crashed once on my mini. Once.. that was the worst thing to ever happen to me on an Apple product.
 
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Windows and Linux have always had a FAR higher system administration load than OS X.

When I switched from a dual-boot Wintel/Linux box to a Mac running OS X, I instantly eliminated 95% of my system administration load.

Similarly, when a couple of family members switched from Wintel notebooks to Macs, the family sysadmin phone calls stopped cold. It has been 15+ years since I touched a family member's computer.
yeah that's another major headache, I'd fix a family member's laptop because you know, I'm the "computer guy" then give it a month or two, they call me and it's not working due to some update or glitch then it's another party all over again. This is horrendous man, I've never seen a more unstable OS than Windows, Windows 10 in particular.
 
Windows and Linux have always had a FAR higher system administration load than OS X.

When I switched from a dual-boot Wintel/Linux box to a Mac running OS X, I instantly eliminated 95% of my system administration load.

Similarly, when a couple of family members switched from Wintel notebooks to Macs, the family sysadmin phone calls stopped cold. It has been 15+ years since I touched a family member's computer.
I think this has to do with the “tinkerability” level of the system. I’m not sure about Windows, but the user is encouraged to tinker and learn in Linux, macOS isn’t near as tinker-friendly. I built computers for years, my tinkering days are over.. I quite like that macOS takes care of itself so well.
 
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Well, what I know from Linux, the system administration load is substantial, the end user documentation is embarrassing and the device driver support is appalling.

How easy is it to get the latest and greatest graphics card running on a Linux box?

And more pointedly, how wonderful is battery management on Linux laptops?

I am willing to bet a buffalo nickel than Linux running on a notebook won't have better battery life than the same system running Windows (or whatever its native OS is). It didn't twenty years ago and it doesn't today.

Don't get me wrong, Linux is a fine candidate for servers, connected devices, routers, smart doorbells, game console emulators, etc., but it is a piss poor operating system for general desktop/personal use.
I was NEVER able to use Linux because I always have the latest laptops and none of the drivers are supported, sometimes not even Wireless drivers. The last time I was able to try Linux on my previous MSI GT75 Titan Pro laptop, I had trouble installing the latest nVIDIA Driver then when I asked on forums they started guiding to download this file and run it in terminal and yada yada, whaaaat? What age is this where you have to sit and type complex command to install a simple driver? No thank you, I wasnt tempted to explore it any further and even when I did install the driver, my screen's clarity and crispiness/sharpness weren't the same, it was as if one had applied DPI scaling on Windows (which we all know sucks when it comes to DPI scaling). That's another thing MacOS does so well, you could have a 15 inch laptop running at super high resolutions and everything looks sharp as a razer, no misaligned text/buttons or blurry text, nothing, as if it were the native resolution.
 
Well, what I know from Linux, the system administration load is substantial, the end user documentation is embarrassing and the device driver support is appalling.

How easy is it to get the latest and greatest graphics card running on a Linux box?

And more pointedly, how wonderful is battery management on Linux laptops?

I am willing to bet a buffalo nickel than Linux running on a notebook won't have better battery life than the same system running Windows (or whatever its native OS is). It didn't twenty years ago and it doesn't today.

Don't get me wrong, Linux is a fine candidate for servers, connected devices, routers, smart doorbells, game console emulators, etc., but it is a piss poor operating system for general desktop/personal use.
And that’s where the system admin loads comes in. But, Linux has much improved lately. I remember using Debian GNU/Linux in 2001 and having to spend the better part of a day just getting the system work to my liking. These days I spend a couple hours getting a new box up to speed. It does help, however, to be able to write bash scripts to automate most of the work. It’s pretty nice on desktop/personal use lately.
 
One quick comment:

Because macOS allows one to automatically start apps that were open when the system was shutdown, and many of those apps, such as browsers, also open with all of their previous settings from their last closures, then in my experience the speed of booting a macOS system is highly dependent upon what apps/tabs/files etc. were open when the system was shutdown. So, if you quit those apps before shutting down the computer, then your subsequent boot/login will be faster.

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