I like the feel of the butterfly keyboard.
What I don't like is the reliability of it.
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How have people managed to adapt to these butterfly keyboards?
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I like the feel of the butterfly keyboard.
What I don't like is the reliability of it.
I think the only reason the chiclet board seems overrated now is that we have a much worse MacBook keyboard to compare it to
I haven't used the iPad Pro keyboard much, but just based on key feel alone I'd prefer it -- and if it's water resistant all the better (side note: if they can make a waterproof iPhone, why can't we have a spill-proof MacBook?)
I liked my 2015 MBA 11' keyboard better. I've gotten used to my MBP 2017 13'. I can see why a lot of people dislike the keyboard, but just like with everything, you get used to it. It took me a lot longer to get used to it than I thought, and consistency was a must (1 month). But once I got used to it, I found I could type for long periods of time without feeling tired. Much less energy is used once you type on it correctly. I'm as accurate on it now as a normal keyboard.
Definitely not quieter. It's a lot louder than my MBA keyboard was. In fact, it's really loud, especially now that it is broken in and has been used for 6+ months. I like it, but if I had a choice to use the Magic keyboard or the MBA 2015 keyboard, I'd gladly swap.
I'll be honest, I feel like I'm breaking the thing when I type on it, or I worry about it. However, I've typed on it heavily and it seems to be holding up just fine. Neither my wife or myself have had problems with our 2017 MBP keyboards. My wife loves her keyboard since day 1. She spends all day on it for her PhD.
The thing I hate the worst about this keyboard? I wash my hands religiously and keep them grease free yet the keyboard looks like I'm a slob after only 6 months of use. Shiny with grease stains on keys I use the most. My 2015 MBA didn't have this problem for the 3 years I used it heavily.
I love my MBP 2017. Best computer purchase I've ever made. Is it perfect? Nope. But pretty close.
How do you adapt? Don't treat it like a normal keyboard. Once you lightly press the keys and teach your fingers not to press harder, you can really fly on these things.
Definitely not quieter. It's a lot louder than my MBA keyboard was. In fact, it's really loud, especially now that it is broken in and has been used for 6+ months. I like it, but if I had a choice to use the Magic keyboard or the MBA 2015 keyboard, I'd gladly swap.
I'll be honest, I feel like I'm breaking the thing when I type on it, or I worry about it. However, I've typed on it heavily and it seems to be holding up just fine. Neither my wife or myself have had problems with our 2017 MBP keyboards. My wife loves her keyboard since day 1. She spends all day on it for her PhD.
The thing I hate the worst about this keyboard? I wash my hands religiously and keep them grease free yet the keyboard looks like I'm a slob after only 6 months of use. Shiny with grease stains on keys I use the most. My 2015 MBA didn't have this problem for the 3 years I used it heavily.
I love my MBP 2017. Best computer purchase I've ever made. Is it perfect? Nope. But pretty close.
How do you adapt? Don't treat it like a normal keyboard. Once you lightly press the keys and teach your fingers not to press harder, you can really fly on these things.
You have me reminiscing now about other, old great feeling devices. I wish I kept my IBM Selectric typewriters. I almost cried when my Hewlett-Packard HP-41cx calculator died.
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I'm convinced touchscreens will soon replace the conventional keyboard in notebooks.
They had a patent for some kind of feedback that pushes against the screen from the bottom to help you orientate around the non-existing keys.
On topic; i really like the butterfly design, reliability aside.
Whilst no doubt some people have genuinely struggled to adapt, I think most poeple 'struggled' because of preconceived expectations based on lots of negative attention the keyboard has received and the challenge was largely physcological rather than physical.
I'll admit. It was werid at first. But I type just as well on my 2018 keyboard now as I ever did on my 2010 MacBook or my work HP notebook.
I'll admit. It was werid at first. But I type just as well on my 2018 keyboard now as I ever did on my 2010 MacBook or my work HP notebook.
I still use my HP-11C calculator from the 1980s. Nothing better than RPN. And 63 lines of programming!
Definitely agree. That was my problem the first month I got this thing. Had I focused more on enjoying what I have, I would have adapted earlier. Instead, I saw the Macrumors posts saying how horrible this keyboard was, how it would break if I just breathed on it. This prevented me from using it as a real keyboard, as I do now (and am typing this with said keyboard). Now, I've adapted. I've had my laptop for 7 months and have had no problems with the keyboard and really like it.
What's interesting is... the keyboard has really "broken in" and has gotten even easier to type on. I really like it.
People are resilient, and transitioning to a new keyboard is generally not difficult, most of the time.
I'm not a fan of the short travel, the feel and noise (though the 2018 is quieter). Getting used to it and liking it are two different things. I really don't like the keyboard but I can manage typing on it.
I'm not a fan of the short travel, the feel and noise (though the 2018 is quieter). Getting used to it and liking it are two different things. I really don't like the keyboard but I can manage typing on it.
I am used to the keys, not as comfortable as normal keyboards - but I can manage. The fear is really of when they fail.
The TouchBar however is more difficult to get used to for me, I keep pressing the key above tab in place of escape - and pressing FN keys (e.g. using coding applications) are a bit more frustrating too.
The TouchBar however is more difficult to get used to for me, I keep pressing the key above tab in place of escape - and pressing FN keys (e.g. using coding applications) are a bit more frustrating too.
Not a fan of paying for something I don't like that's more unreliable than it's predecessors or counterparts. At $,4250 Apple needs to do a dam sight better simple as that, far too many issues with the current MBP...
Getting stuck with Apple's "We've never seen that before" Genius Bar policy is both disingenuous and insulting at very best. For me it's like rolling the dice, there's no return policy as there's no legal requirement (big surprise), just No. While competitor's offer up to three year's warranty gratis with no legal requirement, as they actually believe in their own hardware...
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You may be right, but boy does that sound horrible to me
Doesn't look so bad in star trek! <cough> Can only imagine typing on a glass slab that big <ouch!>. lol.
One of my biggest regrets is giving away my 101 key Model M when I got rid of my PS2. It was built like a tank and the buckling spring mechanism has amazing tactile feedback. You can easily touch type blindfolded on those things. It’s a testament to the build and design that you can still find original models sold today for more than they cost new. I have an MX blue keyboard now as a poor man’s replacement. On laptops, thinkpad keyboards aren’t bad but the chiclets are no where was good as the pre 2010 thinkpad keyboards.
The 2020 MBP keyboard is ... yeah it's better. I didn't hate the Butterfly, I actively defended it because my wife and I used one for 29 months - heavily - no problems. My sister had a MBA with the butterfly and had the sticky key problem - Apple did take care of her.
But the 2020 MBP? That keyboard is ... a lot better.
Yes, you get used to the Butterfly. I think as long as you don't let your laptop get super hot and you don't slam on the keyboard it'll last forever. I used it for years.
But the 2020 MBP? That keyboard is ... a lot better.
Yes, you get used to the Butterfly. I think as long as you don't let your laptop get super hot and you don't slam on the keyboard it'll last forever. I used it for years.
I got used to it fairly quickly. What I can't get over is the clickety-clackety sound it makes. Especially irritating when typing at night, it is such a loud sound compared to the older ones. I have a 2017 MBP 15". I have not had any issues with reliability over the three years I've had it though.
Yeah that is probably my biggest complaint. At first I didn’t realize how bad it was but ... now that I have my 2020... I can type while we watch TV again without bothering people - and in quiet environments at work - typing is not an issue anymore. Lol
I thought I could adopt to butterfly (MBP 2019) and it felt cool first but no matter how much I tried, I kept hitting keys too hard when typing fast and it felt uncomfortable. Now when M1's were released I sold it and got MBA M1 and I learned what I was missing the whole time. Much more comfortable even still it is somewhat short key travel when typing fast but still much better than butterfly was.
Had my keyboard replaced on my 2018 MBP and the keys are much quieter with the 2019 revision keyboard. Feels nicer too and has improved my accuracy. If the keyboard/touchbar etc. doesn't crap out on me, I'm set.
In the past 3 years I never got used to it. All first joints of my 8 typing fingers hurt. Especially right after typing for a little bit my fingers need rest soon, and I do self-massage them. I type carefully and lightly. The butterfly keyboard is just bad.