How I know feel about Apple, being a user since 2000

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I bought every iPod, iPad, and many iBooks and PowerBooks, MacBooks and MacBook Pros and even switched my whole family to use Apple, so this isn't someone who wasn't really invested in Apple, because I was. I loved Apple, but now...

I used Macs since 2000 and bought iPhones and iPads but I got so sick of iOS. Literally all Apple had to do was but Mac OS X (I still wont call it MacOS) on an iPad and everyone would have bought it, even if it wasn't optimized for touch. If they had allowed a keyboard and Mouse to use when you needed it non touch it would have probably blown the Surface away. What I really can't grasp is Apple is the company that made touch screens mainstream with the iPad and was way ahead of everyone and yet they are the only one who hasn't been able to admit they were wrong and people do want a Mac OS X tablet, touch screen laptops, and not to mention they blew it with the iMac and look at how the Surface Studio is now. I Guarantee they had tried that but because the still can't admit they were wrong on touch screens never did it. At least we got the touch bar at least.... ;) I used to be all Apple and Steve Jobs was really the only reason. Tim Cook is just a CFO really and never had any technical experience with computers or the passion for them and has screwed Apple completely. Yes they make a lot of money and still won't lower the prices of their products over time like most companies do once they refine the manufacturing of the products and won't listen to the people who buy the products and use their feedback with what they want; because all Tim Cook really knows is how to make profit since he has been doing it so long. Companies that really care about the people that are buying their products listen and take the feedback. Apple no longer really cares about the people buying the products but only cares about how much of their products you buy. They lost all passion a long time ago.
 
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I suspect that there are technical reasons beyond my understanding of why it's just not possible at this point to integrate the technologies the way you wish they had done.
 
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I hate to say it but this is another "I've used Apple products since I was a toddler, and now I have tens of thousands of dollars worth of Apple hardware but because Steve Jobs is dead, Tim Cook sucks and doesn't care about customers, I'll just be forced to go to Windows" post.

Granted this is extreme paraphrasing but posts like this have been out there for years. Apple not doing what you or specific people feel they should do isn't not caring or listening to customers. Just because you or myself want specific features doesn't mean everyone wants or will buy that. For example I think it's terrible that the top of the line 13" Macbook Pro has integrated graphics. Not even a good integrated GPU but garbage Intel integrated graphics. Is Apple not listening to me or perhaps they feel that most customers who buy the smallest laptop don't need this. Should they add this because some people want it but maybe many won't? I think the Mac mini is awesome just the way it is but others would insist it's terrible. Should they listen to what that group of people want and make something I and similar customers wouldn't buy? These are the decisions Apple makes and it's very possible all aren't one hundred percent correct. I look at some things Apple does and think "why??" but others are happy. It's human nature to think if I like something a certain way than everyone else must like it that way. The problem is that's a flawed thought process.
 

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Don't get me wrong, my opinion is only my opinion and I certainly don't think that my way is the way it should be for everybody. Actually as a toddler in 1983, I didn't have a computer. In school they had Apple II computers and at home I had a desktop computer running windows 3.1. Up until HS graduation in 2001 I always had a windows PC, I even beta tested Windows XP, But then I bought a Mac Laptop and was with Apple through OS 9, OS X 1.0 (which was horrible by the way. You couldn't even play a dvd in it and had to boot to OS 9 up until 10.8. I had an iPod when you couldn't use an iPod on anything but a Mac. I used the iTunes store when it was only available on Macs and spent quite a bit of money on songs. I had the first iPhone and the first iPad. So no i'm not a little toddler who only used Apple. I was invested and passionate. I bought Apple stock when it was under 2 dollars a share in 2001. Let me ask you this. What was the first Apple device you used? Mine was a 12" iBook with 64mbs of ram, 10gb HD with a 366mhz G3 processor. I'm betting that it was either an iPod or an iPhone or an iPad. I have actually been with Apple through Steve Jobs and a few years of Tim Cook. I have actually used most of their products and witnessed the change in Apple instead of most people who thought Apple was trendy and the cool thing. My favorite computer of all time and still to this day was a 12" PowerBook
 
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1990 our newspaper switched to apple computers and scanners and i took a computer graphic course at my college were i knew more than the professor. My first purchase was an imac g3, canon lte30 scanner and qtips for the rolling ball on the mouse to remove that gunk.

What surprises or disappoints me today the most about Apple is their customer service being so carelessly closed minded. Then, the disposable products they mass produce.
I do like that i can stiil produce graphics using 2012 Apple products today
and linux apps are now available to use in my macs, some just recent as this year.
 
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My first desktop was an eMac g3 which really was just a better iMac G3 when the iMac went with the lamp stand format and it was great lol. Apple customer service used to be amazing back when I first started using them but I will tell you what, Microsoft Customer service, at least in the stores is way beyond Apple when it was at its peak. I never used Mac's for work, it was always pleasure, and it was really pleasurable then. I remember when garage band came out and we finally had to pay for all the iMedia software. I spent hours making beats on garage band and using iMovie to easily edit videos so even though I wasn't using it for work, I loved it. Honestly my best experience with Apple was when I had my first iBook and a Windows XP machine. I had just gotten my first car and it had a CD player in it so I only used Windows for Napster when it took an hour to download just one song and swapped the MP3 over to the iBook and iTunes with my first gen iPod 5gb and ripped music CD's like crazy. At that point I honestly thought that this was the best thing ever since sliced bread. My Stepfather as a 2012 MacBook Pro and just last week I installed 8gb of ram and an SSD in it and it acted like a brand new computer and he is a lawyer and had used it everyday in his business so I feel you about the old Hardware and the disposable products!
 
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Don't get me wrong, my opinion is only my opinion and I certainly don't think that my way is the way it should be for everybody. Actually as a toddler in 1983, I didn't have a computer. In school they had Apple II computers and at home I had a desktop computer running windows 3.1. Up until HS graduation in 2001 I always had a windows PC, I even beta tested Windows XP, But then I bought a Mac Laptop and was with Apple through OS 9, OS X 1.0 (which was horrible by the way. You couldn't even play a dvd in it and had to boot to OS 9 up until 10.8. I had an iPod when you couldn't use an iPod on anything but a Mac. I used the iTunes store when it was only available on Macs and spent quite a bit of money on songs. I had the first iPhone and the first iPad. So no i'm not a little toddler who only used Apple. I was invested and passionate. I bought Apple stock when it was under 2 dollars a share in 2001. Let me ask you this. What was the first Apple device you used? Mine was a 12" iBook with 64mbs of ram, 10gb HD with a 366mhz G3 processor. I'm betting that it was either an iPod or an iPhone or an iPad. I have actually been with Apple through Steve Jobs and a few years of Tim Cook. I have actually used most of their products and witnessed the change in Apple instead of most people who thought Apple was trendy and the cool thing. My favorite computer of all time and still to this day was a 12" PowerBook
You took my post literally. I thought it was obviously a comical description of the multiple posts going along the basic lines of what you said. Of course you have the right to an opinion just like anyone and can love, hate, or just be neutral about Apple
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1990 our newspaper switched to apple computers and scanners and i took a computer graphic course at my college were i knew more than the professor. My first purchase was an imac g3, canon lte30 scanner and qtips for the rolling ball on the mouse to remove that gunk.

What surprises or disappoints me today the most about Apple is their customer service being so carelessly closed minded. Then, the disposable products they mass produce.
I do like that i can stiil produce graphics using 2012 Apple products today
and linux apps are now available to use in my macs, some just recent as this year.
Apple has about the best customer service of any hardware manufacturer that I know. You can say lots of things about Apple could be improved but customer service? Go try to get support from Dell, HP, or any of the big computer manufacturers. Let me know how that goes for you. Microsoft store? Is that still a thing or did it go out of business? I really don't know. As to hardware becoming more disposable that's an industry wide trend of all products not exclusive to Apple, computers, or even electronics. Sure I wish it wasn't true but that's how things are.
 

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Go try to get support from Dell, HP, or any of the big computer manufacturers. Let me know how that goes for you.
Microsoft store? Is that still a thing or did it go out of business? I really don't know.
This Wednesday the salespeople at the microsoft store were much more responsive than the apple store not one employee addressed me at all.
My post was my opinion towards this thread, just an overview of the past years.
Personally, your responce was too direct and very suggestive, try to be nicer next time.
 
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You took my post literally. I thought it was obviously a comical description of the multiple posts going along the basic lines of what you said. Of course you have the right to an opinion just like anyone and can love, hate, or just be neutral about Apple
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Apple has about the best customer service of any hardware manufacturer that I know. You can say lots of things about Apple could be improved but customer service? Go try to get support from Dell, HP, or any of the big computer manufacturers. Let me know how that goes for you. Microsoft store? Is that still a thing or did it go out of business? I really don't know. As to hardware becoming more disposable that's an industry wide trend of all products not exclusive to Apple, computers, or even electronics. Sure I wish it wasn't true but that's how things are.
At the Microsoft store I bought the extended warranty which allows 2 accidental claims for 50 dollars. I had used both up and took the chance at the Microsoft store. The manager told me, we can do a case by case 3rd accidental and he swapped me out with a new Surface Pro. Guess what, I had a Surface Pro 4 4gb ram and 128 gb HD and they didn't have any in stock so he actually gave me a Surface Pro 4 with 8gb ram 256 HD and never told me. I only realized it when I got home. I actually called the store back, stupidly now thing about it saying they upgraded me and he said Yeah I know, we didn't have your model in stock... Walk into an Apple store and as for 3rd accidental damage warranty and I bet they would tell you, to bad, you have to buy a new one.
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This Wednesday the salespeople at the microsoft store were much more responsive than the apple store not one employee addressed me at all.
My post was my opinion towards this thread, just an overview of the past years.
Personally, your responce was too direct and very suggestive, try to be nicer next time.
Thank you lol. It's nice to know it isn't only my store that is a lot more friendlier with customer service.
 
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This Wednesday the salespeople at the microsoft store were much more responsive than the apple store not one employee addressed me at all.
My post was my opinion towards this thread, just an overview of the past years.
Personally, your responce was too direct and very suggestive, try to be nicer next time.
I always get helped right away when I walk into an Apple store. Maybe the Apple stores in your area are different because I can only speak of the ones here. My response was direct and suggestive? Direct to the point I can see but suggestive? Like sexually suggestive or something? LMAO
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At the Microsoft store I bought the extended warranty which allows 2 accidental claims for 50 dollars. I had used both up and took the chance at the Microsoft store. The manager told me, we can do a case by case 3rd accidental and he swapped me out with a new Surface Pro. Guess what, I had a Surface Pro 4 4gb ram and 128 gb HD and they didn't have any in stock so he actually gave me a Surface Pro 4 with 8gb ram 256 HD and never told me. I only realized it when I got home. I actually called the store back, stupidly now thing about it saying they upgraded me and he said Yeah I know, we didn't have your model in stock... Walk into an Apple store and as for 3rd accidental damage warranty and I bet they would tell you, to bad, you have to buy a new one.
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Thank you lol. It's nice to know it isn't only my store that is a lot more friendlier with customer service.
I agree that Apple is a lot stricter about bending the rules than they used to be. It's due to policies implemented years ago and never changed. I don't have a problem with the service being within the policy but I do understand your point. I've never been to a Microsoft store but I've had quite a few Windows PCs
 

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When I first used Macs I went to the apple store alot. It was a whole different OS and they would just sit down and help me out and they were more than eager to go overboard and bend rules to keep you as a customer and because back then if you used Macs you were loyal and the saw that with purchase history and they had too because Macs and iPods were the only thing keeping Apple afloat. Microsoft stores are like that now. It can't be explained by the fact that they have much more traffic than the Microsoft Store because if they wanted to keep that experience they would have hired more people to compensate. Now the apple stores really care about is sells and don't actually try to engage you and make you feel important because they know if your coming in to buy something you are either upgrading to a new product or know what u want. All Apple is now is about profit and getting you to buy another of their product. The simplest proof is every other phone maker and tablet maker allows for expandable storage by a Simple SD Card. Say I Bought a 16gb phone and running out of space, just slap a 256gb SD card in, when an I phone runs out of storage the only option is to buy a new one which is what they wanted all along. Believe me the worst fear Tim Cook had was finding out Apple was slowing Phones after the battery was less and then had to actually do a 50 dollar replacement plan and see that most people wanted to keep their phones longer and not have to buy the next best "magical" thing. That was apparent in their financial call just a few weeks ago.
I'm not trying to say you are wrong but there is a lot that has changed in Apple when Cook took over.
 

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One big reason why I shop at Apple is how I am treated when I enter an Apple store, specifically the one near Victoria Gardens, California. You make it sound like this behavior has stopped. I've been with Apple since 2011 and yeah, the stores are a lot fuller than they were, but I still get great service. I have gotten TERRIBLE offensive service closer to LA.

I've used Windows my entire life, I finally went Mac in 2011-2012 and saw how great it was, I switched over for personal use. I still program C# via Visual Studio on a 2018 XPS 15 every day. I love my iPad, my iPhone, and my MBP. The OS stays out of my way so I can do what I need to do. The hardware is full of quality and a joy to use. My XPS blue screens constantly, has inconvenient windows updates that are forced, overheats all the time, and other quirks (love the screen though).

Have you ever used an SD card in an Android phone? You can't install apps to it. You can set photos to be stored there, but that's about it. So unless you're using hundreds of gigs of photos, an SD card isn't the amazing "expansion" that it is made out to seem. I remember playing with rooted roms on Android phones that let you partition an SD card to install full blown apps to it. It was buggy and didn't work very well.

The battery replacement program was because there were a batch of bad batteries that couldn't hold their voltage after just a year of usage. My wife had one (my phone was fine). It took Apple way too long to address and deal with it, imo.

Yes, Tim Cook has changed a few things, Apple is making hordes of money. And I'm not trying to tell you to go one way or another. If Apple makes you happy, go Apple. If Windows makes you happy, go Windows.

Honestly, I'm a huge fan of Microsoft. I have used Windows my entire life, I make my $ with Windows and I love Microsoft. Office is a great product and OneDrive is used daily. I'm very happy to see Microsoft stores pop up and it has definitely peaked my interest. If Microsoft keeps this up, I definitely would have no problem buying a Surface laptop/tablet someday.

Don't get me started on their Azure cloud services. Amazing.
 

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When I first used Macs I went to the apple store alot. It was a whole different OS and they would just sit down and help me out and they were more than eager to go overboard and bend rules to keep you as a customer and because back then if you used Macs you were loyal and the saw that with purchase history and they had too because Macs and iPods were the only thing keeping Apple afloat. Microsoft stores are like that now. It can't be explained by the fact that they have much more traffic than the Microsoft Store because if they wanted to keep that experience they would have hired more people to compensate. Now the apple stores really care about is sells and don't actually try to engage you and make you feel important because they know if your coming in to buy something you are either upgrading to a new product or know what u want. All Apple is now is about profit and getting you to buy another of their product. The simplest proof is every other phone maker and tablet maker allows for expandable storage by a Simple SD Card. Say I Bought a 16gb phone and running out of space, just slap a 256gb SD card in, when an I phone runs out of storage the only option is to buy a new one which is what they wanted all along. Believe me the worst fear Tim Cook had was finding out Apple was slowing Phones after the battery was less and then had to actually do a 50 dollar replacement plan and see that most people wanted to keep their phones longer and not have to buy the next best "magical" thing. That was apparent in their financial call just a few weeks ago.
I'm not trying to say you are wrong but there is a lot that has changed in Apple when Cook took over.
I'm not sure of your timeline here about when you first went into an Apple store but your "proof" that all Apple cares about is making a profit is the iPhone not having an SD card slot. Then you talked about "a lot that has changed in Apple when Cook took over" Well the no SD card slot started when the first iPhone was released in 2007 (Designed in 2006?) by none other than Steve Jobs. This wasn't an evil Tim Cook scheming in the boardroom about what's his next plan to screw Apple customers. This was in the good ole days of Steve Jobs. I won't discount your complaint about Apple not bending the rules because that was a documented change but I can't exactly remember the year. I think most of your feelings are from rose colored glasses of the good ole days. I'm old enough to have a pair of those glasses as well but I try not to wear them all the time.

I can't really comment about the Microsoft store because I never been to one but you said they replaced your computer without telling you or did I read that wrong? If so I would actually be pretty upset. I don't hate on Microsoft because I have Windows PCs and I love them but I also like things about the Mac and other Apple products. I don't think you have to dislike one to like the other. It's kind of I like both ketchup and mustard.
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One big reason why I shop at Apple is how I am treated when I enter an Apple store, specifically the one near Victoria Gardens, California. You make it sound like this behavior has stopped. I've been with Apple since 2011 and yeah, the stores are a lot fuller than they were, but I still get great service. I have gotten TERRIBLE offensive service closer to LA.

I've used Windows my entire life, I finally went Mac in 2011-2012 and saw how great it was, I switched over for personal use. I still program C# via Visual Studio on a 2018 XPS 15 every day. I love my iPad, my iPhone, and my MBP. The OS stays out of my way so I can do what I need to do. The hardware is full of quality and a joy to use. My XPS blue screens constantly, has inconvenient windows updates that are forced, overheats all the time, and other quirks (love the screen though).

Have you ever used an SD card in an Android phone? You can't install apps to it. You can set photos to be stored there, but that's about it. So unless you're using hundreds of gigs of photos, an SD card isn't the amazing "expansion" that it is made out to seem. I remember playing with rooted roms on Android phones that let you partition an SD card to install full blown apps to it. It was buggy and didn't work very well.

The battery replacement program was because there were a batch of bad batteries that couldn't hold their voltage after just a year of usage. My wife had one (my phone was fine). It took Apple way too long to address and deal with it, imo.

Yes, Tim Cook has changed a few things, Apple is making hordes of money. And I'm not trying to tell you to go one way or another. If Apple makes you happy, go Apple. If Windows makes you happy, go Windows.

Honestly, I'm a huge fan of Microsoft. I have used Windows my entire life, I make my $ with Windows and I love Microsoft. Office is a great product and OneDrive is used daily. I'm very happy to see Microsoft stores pop up and it has definitely peaked my interest. If Microsoft keeps this up, I definitely would have no problem buying a Surface laptop/tablet someday.

Don't get me started on their Azure cloud services. Amazing.
The thing is Apple will replace your battery for a ridiculous low price. If you have AppleCare they will repair damage for a low price as well. To my knowledge this isn't available on Android phones. When I had malfunctions or other problems with my Android phone the only service I got was my carrier writing the toll free number to the insurance company so I can request a reconditioned phone as a replacement. You just paid the deductible, sent the old phone back, and prayed you didn't have the same problem. If it was some type of common defect you prayed that your contract was up so you can get a new phone. If it wasn't up you had to pay an early termination fee. Now they don't do "contracts" but it's the same thing because you have to keep the service while you're paying on the phone and if you want a new one you have to pay the balance. Now if there was an Android Store that offered the same type of service as Apple I might have stayed. The lack of support and Google's privacy issues convinced me to go to Apple. I have a friend that loves Samsung but when the Note 7 was recalled they didn't even want to replace it. They didn't have new phones so his choice was keep the exploding phone or turn it in and have no phone. Can you imagine if Apple did this? He's still a big Samsung fan with the Note 8 now but I just couldn't deal with that.

I like Microsoft and Apple both and I hope they both stay strong because if one was to completely dominate the industry the other would just not even care. Microsoft is close to that point but not quite yet.
 
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I can't really comment about the Microsoft store because I never been to one but you said they replaced your computer without telling you or did I read that wrong? If so I would actually be pretty upset. I don't hate on Microsoft because I have Windows PCs and I love them but I also like things about the Mac and other Apple products. I don't think you have to dislike one to like the other. It's kind of I like both ketchup and mustard.
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What happened was that I had bought the extended warranty and had used my two accidental claims already. The Surface Pro screen was shattered and as policy they swap it out with a refurb right there on the spot. Under no condition did I think I was receiving the Surface I had brought back. I knew it was going away before I got there What they did is since the didn't have stock of refurbs that I had they bumped me up to the next price model. Practically doubling my ram and ssd storage. Also their have been reports, I think in the Macrumors forum of Microsoft swapping Surface devices on warranty and taking them from a Surface Pro 4 to a Surface 2017 (5). If Apple wanted to do this they would.

As for the SD card in the phones I am well aware Steve was the one who didn't make that happen but this is me speculating if Steve was still alive the iPhones would have come standard with a much larger storage drive then Apple is today just so you wouldn't need an SD Card. He did it with the iPod compared to the other MP3 players that were out there at that time storage wise. 100 Dollar Mp3 player with 64mb of storage compared to the 399 Dollar iPod with 5GB of space. People back then said the ipod would fail. There is an Apple premium when you purchase Apple products, but unlike now with cook around, back then you were paying more because you were getting more and it was worth it.
 

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What happened was that I had bought the extended warranty and had used my two accidental claims already. The Surface Pro screen was shattered and as policy they swap it out with a refurb right there on the spot. Under no condition did I think I was receiving the Surface I had brought back. I knew it was going away before I got there What they did is since the didn't have stock of refurbs that I had they bumped me up to the next price model. Practically doubling my ram and ssd storage. Also their have been reports, I think in the Macrumors forum of Microsoft swapping Surface devices on warranty and taking them from a Surface Pro 4 to a Surface 2017 (5). If Apple wanted to do this they would.

As for the SD card in the phones I am well aware Steve was the one who didn't make that happen but this is me speculating if Steve was still alive the iPhones would have come standard with a much larger storage drive then Apple is today just so you wouldn't need an SD Card. He did it with the iPod compared to the other MP3 players that were out there at that time storage wise. 100 Dollar Mp3 player with 64mb of storage compared to the 399 Dollar iPod with 5GB of space. People back then said the ipod would fail. There is an Apple premium when you purchase Apple products, but unlike now with cook around, back then you were paying more because you were getting more and it was worth it.
It's been a while since I had an iPod but if I remember right the mp3 players that had MB storage capacity were using flash memory but the iPod had a spinning hard drive. You're right about paying more for Apple products and you were getting more. I think that's still true. It was never about the hardware but rather the user interface. It's the same thing today with the Mac and iPhone. Other than FaceID, a faster CPU, and GPU Samsung phones are about the same hardware wise compared to iPhones. If Samsung made an iOS Note 9 I would definitely consider it. The same thing can be said for Macbooks. Years ago Windows laptops were mostly cheap plastic compared to Mac using aluminum but now many Windows laptops have caught up. Since Apple is slow to update hardware and new Windows computers come out almost on a weekly basis they're often ahead when it comes to that. Sure Apple may add some security hardware but that doesn't make the computer faster. What Apple has going for it is OSX and Apple support. If Apple lost the right to their operating systems they would go under. This is why they go after people who pirate their software a little bit more than some companies.

As to your comments about Microsoft repairing your computer out of warranty that is awesome and I do wish Apple would be a little more lenient when it comes to out of warranty repairs. This being said Apple not doing repairs or service out of warranty isn't enough for me to not buy their products.
 

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It's been a while since I had an iPod but if I remember right the mp3 players that had MB storage capacity were using flash memory but the iPod had a spinning hard drive. You're right about paying more for Apple products and you were getting more. I think that's still true. It was never about the hardware but rather the user interface. It's the same thing today with the Mac and iPhone. Other than FaceID, a faster CPU, and GPU Samsung phones are about the same hardware wise compared to iPhones. If Samsung made an iOS Note 9 I would definitely consider it. The same thing can be said for Macbooks. Years ago Windows laptops were mostly cheap plastic compared to Mac using aluminum but now many Windows laptops have caught up. Since Apple is slow to update hardware and new Windows computers come out almost on a weekly basis they're often ahead when it comes to that. Sure Apple may add some security hardware but that doesn't make the computer faster. What Apple has going for it is OSX and Apple support. If Apple lost the right to their operating systems they would go under. This is why they go after people who pirate their software a little bit more than some companies.

As to your comments about Microsoft repairing your computer out of warranty that is awesome and I do wish Apple would be a little more lenient when it comes to out of warranty repairs. This being said Apple not doing repairs or service out of warranty isn't enough for me to not buy their products.
Yeah I pretty much agree. I do still think every mobile device phone or tablet should have at least a micro sd card as standard. That literally is my biggest gripe about Apple products vs pretty much every other device.
 

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Yeah I pretty much agree. I do still think every mobile device phone or tablet should have at least a micro sd card as standard. That literally is my biggest gripe about Apple products vs pretty much every other device.
The last time I used SD cards in my Android phones was the timeframe of the Droid 1 - Note 3 days. There were issues with the cards disconnecting, becoming corrupted, not accessible, and resulting in severe battery drain for whatever reason. Yeah, I realize my experience with sd cards in mobile devices is a bit dated, but it was not pleasant. It was one of the reasons that drove me to root my Android devices (that and the forced adware on the HTC Thunderbolt). Rooted roms had better interaction with the SD card but it resulted in a lot of lost data and issues. Because of this experience, I've always been anti sd card in mobile phones. Very opposite from most people I've met who, like you, wish that all phones had SD expansion slots. Maybe it has gotten better today and I'm an old fart. :)

Using SD cards in laptops - I've had somewhat of a similar experience. High failure rates, slow transfer times, and random losses of data. Granted, I didn't buy the Ultra II or higher san-disk sd cards - may be why.
 
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The last time I used SD cards in my Android phones was the timeframe of the Droid 1 - Note 3 days. There were issues with the cards disconnecting, becoming corrupted, not accessible, and resulting in severe battery drain for whatever reason. Yeah, I realize my experience with sd cards in mobile devices is a bit dated, but it was not pleasant. It was one of the reasons that drove me to root my Android devices (that and the forced adware on the HTC Thunderbolt). Rooted roms had better interaction with the SD card but it resulted in a lot of lost data and issues. Because of this experience, I've always been anti sd card in mobile phones. Very opposite from most people I've met who, like you, wish that all phones had SD expansion slots. Maybe it has gotten better today and I'm an old fart. :)

Using SD cards in laptops - I've had somewhat of a similar experience. High failure rates, slow transfer times, and random losses of data. Granted, I didn't buy the Ultra II or higher san-disk sd cards - may be why.
My Galaxy S7 came with 32gb storage and for 50 dollars I added a 256gb Micro SD card in it as well. It might have been a hassle back then but now there isn't any issue. All Apps go on 32gb and all media goes on the 256gb SD card. Where I really find value in SD cards are in my Surface tablets. it comes with a 256gb SSD drive and as I said just add a 50 dollar 256gb Micro SD card in it and boom double storage. With the surface it acts like its a normal system hard drive. When I played World of Warcraft or a few steam games, I had them installed on the SD card and they ran perfect. I will say the write speed is slow on them but you aren't really noticing that at all unless you are sending huge files over to it.
 
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russell_314

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Don't get me wrong, my opinion is only my opinion and I certainly don't think that my way is the way it should be for everybody. Actually as a toddler in 1983, I didn't have a computer. In school they had Apple II computers and at home I had a desktop computer running windows 3.1. Up until HS graduation in 2001 I always had a windows PC, I even beta tested Windows XP, But then I bought a Mac Laptop and was with Apple through OS 9, OS X 1.0 (which was horrible by the way. You couldn't even play a dvd in it and had to boot to OS 9 up until 10.8. I had an iPod when you couldn't use an iPod on anything but a Mac. I used the iTunes store when it was only available on Macs and spent quite a bit of money on songs. I had the first iPhone and the first iPad. So no i'm not a little toddler who only used Apple. I was invested and passionate. I bought Apple stock when it was under 2 dollars a share in 2001. Let me ask you this. What was the first Apple device you used? Mine was a 12" iBook with 64mbs of ram, 10gb HD with a 366mhz G3 processor. I'm betting that it was either an iPod or an iPhone or an iPad. I have actually been with Apple through Steve Jobs and a few years of Tim Cook. I have actually used most of their products and witnessed the change in Apple instead of most people who thought Apple was trendy and the cool thing. My favorite computer of all time and still to this day was a 12" PowerBook
You took my post literally. I don't know how old you are so I couldn't say you were a toddler in 19__. It was just a reference to a common post on Apple forums, or even any forums where people say they used X brand for most of their life but now that changes are happing they're not happy and are going to Y brand. My first Apple product was a iPod. Second generation I think. It was the one with the two big buttons. I remember being quite upset when that one broke (completely not Apple's fault) and the newer one didn't have the buttons. What kind of BS is this where the buttons are in the wheel. My first computer ran DOS but that was ages ago. My first modern computer was a Gateway 566 running Windows 98. My first Mac was a 13 MacBook Pro (2007?.. I could be wrong). I've used Windows computers mostly because of cost. I'm not wealthy and Apple products aren't cheap. I won't say I don't have complaints about Apple products because I do. I could list them if you like? Maybe my specific dislikes don't even bother you or maybe you like that. It's difficult to make a product that everyone likes. This is why we have choices. It would be a terrible world if the Mac were the only choice of computer. I personally think Windows has way too big of a market share and would like to see Mac and Linux become more popular just so we don't have one corporation controlling our computers. BTW I hope you kept that Apple stock! LOL
 

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You took my post literally. I don't know how old you are so I couldn't say you were a toddler in 19__. It was just a reference to a common post on Apple forums, or even any forums where people say they used X brand for most of their life but now that changes are happing they're not happy and are going to Y brand. My first Apple product was a iPod. Second generation I think. It was the one with the two big buttons. I remember being quite upset when that one broke (completely not Apple's fault) and the newer one didn't have the buttons. What kind of BS is this where the buttons are in the wheel. My first computer ran DOS but that was ages ago. My first modern computer was a Gateway 566 running Windows 98. My first Mac was a 13 MacBook Pro (2007?.. I could be wrong). I've used Windows computers mostly because of cost. I'm not wealthy and Apple products aren't cheap. I won't say I don't have complaints about Apple products because I do. I could list them if you like? Maybe my specific dislikes don't even bother you or maybe you like that. It's difficult to make a product that everyone likes. This is why we have choices. It would be a terrible world if the Mac were the only choice of computer. I personally think Windows has way too big of a market share and would like to see Mac and Linux become more popular just so we don't have one corporation controlling our computers. BTW I hope you kept that Apple stock! LOL
I would actually like to hear your complaints. Sorry of I came off to strong earlier. I don't hate Apple. My stepdad still uses Apple since I switched him over. He actually has a 2012 MacBook pro he still uses. He just put in 8gbs ram and an ssd for the first time and its like a whole new computer so apple has its advantages. Even though I loath iPads I bought one for my grandparents who knew nothing about computers. They even cried when I gave it to them because they said it was futuristic to them. In two weeks they were sending emails, browsing the web and my grandfather, he built houses all his life, would spend hours on google maps. So I have a heart for Apple I just really think they are loosing steam because of Cook.
 

russell_314

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I would actually like to hear your complaints. Sorry of I came off to strong earlier. I don't hate Apple. My stepdad still uses Apple since I switched him over. He actually has a 2012 MacBook pro he still uses. He just put in 8gbs ram and an ssd for the first time and its like a whole new computer so apple has its advantages. Even though I loath iPads I bought one for my grandparents who knew nothing about computers. They even cried when I gave it to them because they said it was futuristic to them. In two weeks they were sending emails, browsing the web and my grandfather, he built houses all his life, would spend hours on google maps. So I have a heart for Apple I just really think they are loosing steam because of Cook.
It's early in the morning but three come to mind right now.

I dislike that Apple puts lower specs on their smaller computers. I don't mean the mini but the iMac and MacBook Pro. The 13" MacBook Pro should have a dedicated GPU option if it's going to be a "Pro". I don't understand why if you choose the smaller iMac you have to choose lower specs on everything. What if I just want a smaller screen?

There was no reason Apple should have removed the ability to turn off Wifi from the control center. When you turn it off in control center it only disconnects but it doesn't just disconnect from your current wifi but it won't connect to other wifi signals. If I use the control center to disconnect from my work wifi then go home I have to manually connect. If you go into settings to turn off wifi you get pop ups that you can't disable when you open apps warning you that wifi improves location services. Apple giving a slight hint that they don't want you turning off wifi?

Why did they use the old 1st generation Apple Pencil from 2015 on a 2019 iPad. It was Apple's first attempt at this and while obviously good it had flaws that were corrected in 2018 with the Apple Pencil 2. I know the "why" it was because they wanted to reuse the old iPad frame to save the cost to design a new one but that was a poor choice IMO.

Why do you loath iPads? As much as I don't want to admit it, the tablet is the computer of the future. I have an iPad mini 4 that I use to watch movies and play games on. I don't use it as much as my phone or Mac but it has a purpose for me.
 

derekamoss

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It's early in the morning but three come to mind right now.

I dislike that Apple puts lower specs on their smaller computers. I don't mean the mini but the iMac and MacBook Pro. The 13" MacBook Pro should have a dedicated GPU option if it's going to be a "Pro". I don't understand why if you choose the smaller iMac you have to choose lower specs on everything. What if I just want a smaller screen?

There was no reason Apple should have removed the ability to turn off Wifi from the control center. When you turn it off in control center it only disconnects but it doesn't just disconnect from your current wifi but it won't connect to other wifi signals. If I use the control center to disconnect from my work wifi then go home I have to manually connect. If you go into settings to turn off wifi you get pop ups that you can't disable when you open apps warning you that wifi improves location services. Apple giving a slight hint that they don't want you turning off wifi?

Why did they use the old 1st generation Apple Pencil from 2015 on a 2019 iPad. It was Apple's first attempt at this and while obviously good it had flaws that were corrected in 2018 with the Apple Pencil 2. I know the "why" it was because they wanted to reuse the old iPad frame to save the cost to design a new one but that was a poor choice IMO.

Why do you loath iPads? As much as I don't want to admit it, the tablet is the computer of the future. I have an iPad mini 4 that I use to watch movies and play games on. I don't use it as much as my phone or Mac but it has a purpose for me.
Yeah I really dislike the lower spec issue as well. Agreed the pro line should have a dedicated graphics card. When they were powerbooks all of them had one. Cook is about upsell upsell supsell lol.

Cant contest to the WIFI issue.

I suspect the Apple two pencil thing was less about designing a new Pen and more they didn't feel like really doing much to the non Pro iPads but its really a slap in the face. Also look at the image I uploaded. That's going to be a PR fiasco when people go into a store and buy one not knowing which works with which. Online yeah you see but if someones parent who doesn't know is buying it for their kid in store they will just grab the first thing that says Apple Pencil
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I only loath iPods because the are neutered tablets. I love the Tablet form factor. It's the reason I switched to windows again. Having a tablet that can be a tablet, a laptop, and a desktop when docked and has a full Desktop os on it was just to appealing. Had apple done with the iPad what MS did with the Surface except OS X being on it, I would have jumped on it. Also I don't feel like I should have to buy a tablet just for it to be a blown up image of my phone. iOS is good for a mobile OS but as it is it is not a good tablet OS. Now I'm saying that knowing people thing it's the best tablet experience their is but the reason I say it is because the iPad could be so much more but Apple just doesn't want to admit they were wrong when it came to Touchscreen computers and two in 1 form factor. Their big push is you need a laptop for certain things and a tablet for everything else which could be solved by them doing a 2 in 1 but once again cook would have to admit they were wrong. They did do something though lol, which I think is the stupidest decision and a reaction to touchscreens being prevalent... The touchbar! I believe him when he says they had probably been working on it for years but I bet before Windows 2 in 1s took off, it was a last resort type thing.

To me its just that I know Apple could have still been the company I loved =)
 

russell_314

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Yeah I really dislike the lower spec issue as well. Agreed the pro line should have a dedicated graphics card. When they were powerbooks all of them had one. Cook is about upsell upsell supsell lol.

Cant contest to the WIFI issue.

I suspect the Apple two pencil thing was less about designing a new Pen and more they didn't feel like really doing much to the non Pro iPads but its really a slap in the face. Also look at the image I uploaded. That's going to be a PR fiasco when people go into a store and buy one not knowing which works with which. Online yeah you see but if someones parent who doesn't know is buying it for their kid in store they will just grab the first thing that says Apple PencilView attachment 830183

I only loath iPods because the are neutered tablets. I love the Tablet form factor. It's the reason I switched to windows again. Having a tablet that can be a tablet, a laptop, and a desktop when docked and has a full Desktop os on it was just to appealing. Had apple done with the iPad what MS did with the Surface except OS X being on it, I would have jumped on it. Also I don't feel like I should have to buy a tablet just for it to be a blown up image of my phone. iOS is good for a mobile OS but as it is it is not a good tablet OS. Now I'm saying that knowing people thing it's the best tablet experience their is but the reason I say it is because the iPad could be so much more but Apple just doesn't want to admit they were wrong when it came to Touchscreen computers and two in 1 form factor. Their big push is you need a laptop for certain things and a tablet for everything else which could be solved by them doing a 2 in 1 but once again cook would have to admit they were wrong. They did do something though lol, which I think is the stupidest decision and a reaction to touchscreens being prevalent... The touchbar! I believe him when he says they had probably been working on it for years but I bet before Windows 2 in 1s took off, it was a last resort type thing.

To me its just that I know Apple could have still been the company I loved =)
They need to stop calling both "Apple Pencil" and maybe the second one could be Apple Pencil S". For what I do I like the simple iOS interface of the iPad. I don't consider it a neutered tablet because I'm not comparing it to the Windows 2 in 1 PC's. I use it for watching movies or playing iOS games and it does that job excellently. If I tried to use it to replace my Mac or Windows PC I would get extremely frustrated. I'm sure they could put Mac OS on the iPad but in it's current form it's not very touch friendly. I really hope they don't do what MS did with Windows 8 and try to make a touch screen interface for a computer that has a mouse and keyboard. It needs to have a switch that changes the OS depending on what input device is used. I dread the day that iOS and Mac OS will become one but it will happen. It will be a fully functional OS like Mac OS with the touch capability of iOS. The problem is when that first happens it's going to suck till they get it right. The Touch Bar is a good concept in the sense to have keys that change their look to indicate a function depending on what you're doing. Of course you can do this with regular keys but you would have to remember what key did what for each application. It's just like anything though when it comes to how it's implemented. I don't own a fancy Touch Bar MacBook so I can't say how it works in day to day use. You have to realize though that any company isn't going to do what you think they should do all the time. You have to take whatever good they offer and determine if it works for you. It's just like MS. Windows sometimes makes me want to bang my head against the keyboard but overall it has it's uses. The same could be said about big spying brother Google. There's no equal replacement for Google search or Google maps but overall their privacy practices are absolutely terrible.