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Dual core CPU's would be cool, I do think we'll see these soon. However, do remember that again, you're looking at killing the battery life. WHO needs a dual-core phone? What exactly are you doing, ripping or converting movies?


8MP Camera? Did you NOT read any articles when phones with higher MP were released AFTER the iPhone 4? Oh, that's right, despite having less MP, the iPhone 4 came out on top, because picture quality is NOT solely about MP.

Android, in terms of OS, is still way behind iOS. Plus, we've been receiving small updates since the huge release of iOS 4, and you can expect another update before the next huge update of iOS 5.

Are Droids great phones? Yes. Is Android a competitive platform? Yes. But Apple is still beating them to the punches and is basically 6 months "behind".

actually Dual core smartphones are going to save on battery life not hurt it.

Rumors have it the next iPhone will have a 8MP camera in it, and I do agree it's not about MP.

I wouldn't say that Android is ahead or behind iOS, theres things I like about Android and things I don't like. It's up to every user to decided what features fit them best
 
Apparently he came back and said that he was misquoted. He believes that iOS is still better. But probably not for long. Honeycomb is already making people think twice about this iOS being better thing.

No they aren't, staring at a pixelated screen all day sucks, since you hate everything Apple, why don't you run along somewhere else?
I have an iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, iPad, Apple TV 2nd Gen, iPod 5th gen, and a ton of accessories from Apple. Please be quiet. The screens are not pixelated if you use it normally instead of putting it an inch away from your face to look at the separate pixels. It's really annoying when people like you pop up and spew utter crap without doing research. The worst part is that other people will read it and actually believe it, so you're misleading others. Not that this place isn't already a hellhole when it comes to what people's opinions seem to be.

Fact: Apple fans will only accept things as being useful when Apple says it is.

Example: when the 3Gs came out, it used the same 320x480 HVGA resolution screen. Many said "who needs higher resolution when I can do just fine with the current resolution."

Then Apple brought out the high pixel density screen for the iPhone 4, and now all people can talk about is pixels, even though the screen uses plain old LCD technology with IPS. The "retina display" isn't even an Apple creation - the screen was originally sourced and produced by LG.
Pretty much. Same with if Apple introduces Flash on iOS, or if they get a new multitasking system. You'd see it being used as ammo against contending OSes to no end despite the fans supposedly not caring earlier. It's called being a fanboy.

Even at about a foot away, that awful pentile matrix display is pixelated. High resolution photos and film clearly look compressed because of the missing subpixels. Anyone with discernment and decent eyes can attest to this fact. Ask DisplayMate. Sure, one could look at the 4-inch screen from 2 feet away, but then good luck trying to read normal sized text or see regular sized photos. By contrast, I regularly get up within 2-2.5 feet of my 37-inch HDTV when I play shooters, yet because the S-IPS pixel structure is so dense, and image quality is so superb, I cannot perceive the pixels despite the awfully low DPI of a 1080p TV at 37-inches!

Missing that many subpixels leads to low overall detail and image quality. Both the iP4's display and the Motorola Droid/Droid 2's IPS LCD have far superior color reproduction as well, not to mention overall image quality.

Anyone who is willing to sacrifice all of the advantages of an IPS LCD for a crappy pentile matrix screen just because the latter has amazing black levels must be pretty simple minded. It's not like the iP4/Droid have awful blacks either. See the Sony XPeria X10 for atrociously unacceptable blacks.

WHEN Samsung stops fooling around and gives us OLED displays with full RGB matrix, then we can put LCD to rest. The funny thing is that one of the first companies that will offer an RGB OLED screen is probably going to be Apple, supplied by Samsung. Samsung supposedly rejected Apple in regards to its SAMOLED screens, but there is no way that Apple would use a pentile matrix SAMOLED display over the IPS Retina.
Again, the SAMOLED has better contrast, better, more saturated colors, better viewing angles, all while consuming less power due to how OLED technology works. Before spewing crap, again, please do some research and stop being such an ignorant annoyance. There's no pixelation when you use it like a regular human being. The only thing the Retina does better is PPI but the SAMOLED is no slouch either.

Spec-whore much?
What a stupid point. Of course customers care about specifications.

4G = not even rolled out, and iPhone 4 uses HSDPA/HSUPA 3G which gives 4G a run for it's money.
Haha, no. 3G is pretty much crap compared to 4G. The only argument you could possibly have against 4G is that it is not as widespread, but the recent influx of 4G handsets is bound to change that.

Big screens? The screen of the iPhone is perfectly sized ... it already dominates the front portion of the phone, and larger means a WORSE battery life (battery life is something other phones don't have.
Still living in la-la land I see. Listen up. 4 inch + screens provide quite a big increase in how many things can be on the screen at once, including browsing, resulting in higher productivity. I don't understand how you could possibly dislike having a bigger screen when the phone's size itself is practically the same. And some of the larger screens are SAMOLEDS which consume less battery life due to how the blacks on the screen are actually the pixels being turned off, unlike LCD which keeps them on but displaying black.

Dual core CPU's would be cool, I do think we'll see these soon. However, do remember that again, you're looking at killing the battery life. WHO needs a dual-core phone? What exactly are you doing, ripping or converting movies?
Again, more ignorance. Dual-core processors would actually increase battery life. Best thing I could compare this to is a Toyota Prius vs. a BMW M3 going 160kph for a few hours. The M3 has the stronger engine, so naturally one would think that it would consume more gas. Thing is, at 160KPH, the M3's engine has to work not so hard whilst the Prius's engine (if it could even reach 160kph, I don't know) has to work its ass off. In the end, the BMW M3 gets better fuel consumption than the Prius because it doesn't have to work so hard. Want proof? Look up Top Gear.

1080P Video? 720P (1280×720) video can barely be saturated on ANY smartphone, you think we need 19200x1080?
Maybe not until Apple introduces it. Then it becomes revolutionary. Get real.

8MP Camera? Did you NOT read any articles when phones with higher MP were released AFTER the iPhone 4? Oh, that's right, despite having less MP, the iPhone 4 came out on top, because picture quality is NOT solely about MP.
Unfortunately that's a load of bollocks. Some 8MP phones out there might be pretty crap but generally the top cameras in Android phones outperform the iPhone 4's. This is 2011, I would assume that they figured out what tricks Apple used and used them.

Android, in terms of OS, is still way behind iOS. Plus, we've been receiving small updates since the huge release of iOS 4, and you can expect another update before the next huge update of iOS 5.
False. Apps on Android are far behind iOS apps. But the OS itself? Android beats iOS hands down in speed and functionality. No stupid limitations set by some old guy in Cupertino, the user actually owns the OS.

Are Droids great phones? Yes. Is Android a competitive platform? Yes. But Apple is still beating them to the punches and is basically 6 months "behind".
I don't see how an 800MHz, 512MB phone is beating a 1GHz dual core, 1GB phone.

Looking past just phones for a moment, Apple dominates every market they are in.

The MP3 player market by revenue, brand and marketshare.
The phone market, by revenue and brand.
The tablet market by revenue, brand and marketshare.
The high end PC market, by revenue, brand and marketshare, (note Apple are not in the low end PC market).

Even if we look at the PC market as a whole they still dominate with revenue and brand. Apple made a profit of 14bn in 2010, Dell made a profit of 1.4bn. Just focusing on the Mac, they still beat them in profit whilst selling 1/10 of the computers.

If you dominate every single market you sell your products in, you must be doing something right. Of course Apple do not have a monopoly or a way of stifling competition in any of the markets they are in, therefore they can't pull a Microsoft and sit with their thumbs up their asses for 6 years. They must remain competitive to keep their dominance.

You can't achieve this level of success without either being competitive, or tying people in to your product.

And back to the topic of phones.. It's really quite sickening reading some of the tech spec whores. A smart phone is software, the fact that your phone has a faster processor than mine doesn't negate from it's software. Software will always be the most important part of the puzzle, hardware speed is for the most part, just marketing. We need to move in the direction of optimising software for multiple threads and to behave far more efficiently, not chucking faster hardware at everything. It's marketing propaganda and many of you appear to have bought a front row seat.
They're getting so much money because they overprice their products to hell. They finally lessened the iPhone's price, but the prices for iPod touch, iPad, and the entire Mac lineup is ridiculous. It creates the illusion that the product is high end.
 
Apple is doing just fine.

News has it that Android's latest OS offering nicknamed "Honeycomb" will require dual-core processors. While the new Motorola Atrix has one, even the upcoming Samsung Infuse doesn't, and neither does every other existing Android phone out there.

Android is Windows Mobile all over again: fragmented with all the different hardware configurations, manufacturers who'd rather build a new smartphone than support their current customer base with OS updates, and multiple carriers who have the last say on whether or not they'll even approve it for mass distribution. That triple threat was Microsoft's undoing - I'm not even sure they've learned their lesson with Windows Phone 7.

Look - we've had a decent and steady progress of hardware changes over the years. The only ones left out are from four years ago with the original iPhone 2G, with the original 3G with a mixed bag.

But, wait until Honeycomb comes out and you'll have millions of end-of-line, incompatible, non-upgradable, and/or abandoned single-core and slower or insufficient devices, making the end-users feel abandoned by their carrier, manufacturer, and Google, altogether.

Meanwhile, Apple has and will continue to push the iOS hardware and software in decent harmony. Slow and steady wins the race.

The 2G got left out when iP4 came out so it was 3 years old when that happened. Original iPhone came out in June of 2007. Ip4 came out July 2010.

This July the 3G will get bumped and maybe even the 3GS so dont act like Apple isnt abandoning any of their devices. They already have.
 
im an apple fantard but its quite clear that they lost the mobile war and will go the way of the, well, apple again soon. jobs will likely 'retire' for another 10 years so his replacement can take the blame, then come back and do something amazing again

You have to be kidding. How does leading in market share (in smartphones) and selling 1.7 MILLION phones in 3 days (iPhone 4 launch) translate to having already "lost" a war they're currently winning by anyone's measure?

I also don't see Steve Jobs retiring for anything but good when he chooses to. He's by far the most well-known CEO in the tech industry, and probably of any industry. He's also one of the only, if not the only CEO whose keynote speeches people actually (normal people, not just tech people) care about, and the news about which is actually reported on in the mainstream press, always on the front page of the tech/business section, if not the front section of the newspaper; and is a major story on both network and cable news, as well as their websites.

People need to remember that people who read and comment on places like Gizmodo, Engadget, and yes, even MacRumors, are NOT representative of the general population; and most of the time don't even seem to have a grasp on what non-techie people like and buy.

They're getting so much money because the.y overprice their products to hell. They finally lessened the iPhone's price, but the prices for iPod touch, iPad, and the entire Mac lineup is ridiculous. It creates the illusion that the product is high end.

The 'illusion' of high-end? What planet do you live on that Apple products are not high-end and high-quality? Before I had an Apple computer I had a Dell, a mid-range desktop, and it was a piece of crap. Every Apple product I've ever owned is a high-quality product that has lasted me until I was ready to replace (not because it no longer worked, but because I wanted the lastest and greatest). In addition, Apple's service, which is a major part of what constitutes "high end" has been top rated by Consumer Reports and others for multiple years running.
 
A little Wiki info for those wondering why you're going nuts bashing the pentile matrix:

PenTile RGBG layout uses green pixels interleaved with alternating red and blue pixels. The human eye is most sensitive to green, especially for high resolution luminance information. Thus the RG-BG scheme creates a color display with one third fewer subpixels than a traditional RGB-RGB scheme but with the same perceived display resolution.[5][6] This is similar to the Bayer filter commonly used in digital cameras.

Probably written by the same people who think that there is no audible difference between 128kbps MP3 and uncompressed PCM. :D

Some people are blind/deaf. I am not, and neither are the many who could not stand the terrible Galaxy S screens and have moved on to better Androids with REAL 480x800 (or 854) resolution screens. If I had to choose between a terrible TN panel like on the Xperia X10 or the Galaxy S, I'd have to settle for the pentile matrix, but why settle for either of these two duds?

It's pretty clear that many consumers have little concern for display quality because most of them seem to think that the awful screens on their laptops (usually with 200:1 contrast, terrible colors/viewing angles, low brightness, and under 50% color gamut) are "gorgeous."
 
Apple can always compete with hardware if they really want to, so I don't really think they're too concerned about the technical specifications of a lot of the CES phones. They're on their own schedule, they do what they want, and honestly, most iPhone users I know don't really don't care a whole lot about what the competition is doing. They're just genuinely happy with their phones.

Personally, I carry an iPhone as my personal phone and work gave me a myTouch 4g that they foot the bill for. I use both phones, but from my own experience I find the iPhone to be a far superior device.

That's just me though. They're both good in their own ways. The way competition is going I think it's really just gonna come down to personal preference.
 
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