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It's a tough call. Sometimes market dynamics can change swiftly. Already I've noticed a rather fast decline in the ranks of hard core Apple zealots, who were once a huge contingency of the fan base. Narcissistic people abound on both coasts and are highly concentrated in tech centers like Silicon Valley. Those are the Apple devotees that get their ego stroked by their devices, their Prius or Tesla cars, their trophy wives.

With Apple Stock wavering, the economy tenuous, one big hit and things could change swiftly.
 
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Apple is amazing because in the late 90s it was nearly on life support and then became the comeback kid. However, Companies like GE, IBM, etc who were once dominate are no longer and we all know nothing can last forever.

With that said no product offering has lasted forever and i'm wondering if the opinion is that the iPhone will remain king or if we are all knowing one day something else will be king and while apple will not disappear it will not always have the same dominance. Maybe 20,30 years down the road.

I don't see Apple declining anytime soon. They are different than GE, IBM, etc. Those companies are slow and conservative. Apple pushes boundaries and does things different than most companies. They don't let shareholders dictate how they operate. They are content to work quietly and secretly in a locked room for years to refine something to the nth degree before releasing it. They have found a way to leverage the supply chain and target the higher end market in order to make more profit than anyone else in the tech industry. They attract the best talent in the industry. They are sitting on such a huge mound of cash that they can weather the biggest storm and still crank away at R&D and refine, refine, refine before releasing something, and when they do release it, it will be terrific.

What would really hurt Apple is if they somehow lost their culture and changed internally. But it seems like they are locked in pretty firmly.

I continue to be amazed at what they are able to achieve and how much control they have over each product from top to bottom, and how well that shows in the final product.
 
It's a tough call. Sometimes market dynamics can change swiftly. Already I've noticed a rather fast decline in the ranks of hard core Apple zealots, who were once a huge contingency of the fan base. Narcissistic people abound on both coasts and are highly concentrated in tech centers like Silicon Valley. Those are the Apple devotees that get their ego stroked by their devices, their Prius or Tesla cars, their trophy wives.

With Apple Stock wavering, the economy tenuous, one big hit and things could change swiftly.
That's a good point. I don't see as many hardcore Apple fanatics out and about anymore. I'm probably one of the only ones I know. Even as a huge Apple fan though, I've questioned a lot of Apple's decisions over the last couple years since they have done some dumb stuff. iOS 8.0.1, long Apple Watch delay, iPhone 6s with 16 GB of storage etc. Like you said, one abrupt change and Apple could be in trouble.

I hope that Apple can get their act together before there starts to be a decline in customer base.
 
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Honestly, I think their most imminent danger is of history repeating itself. Apple in the 90's had a confusing and ridiculous array of SKU's. To the average consumer, the difference between the iPhones 5S, 6, 6S, 6S+ has got to be getting confusing. Every time we add a 'S', '+', 'pro', 'mini', etc. designation, things just get a little more convoluted.
This. So much this. I remember Steve Jobs slashing all the products with exception to two desktops and two laptops. Bringing everything back under one roof was a huge move too. But I find a lot more people asking what all the differences are. Choice is good to an extent.

If I recall correctly there was a poster at one point to help you figure out what computer to buy.
 
It's already in decline. Maybe not in profits but in general "Appleness", if you know what I mean. Think about it. What has Apple released since Steve Jobs passing that has been truly spectacular?

iOS 7 or 8 or 9?
Buggy OSX releases?
Apple Music?
Apple Watch?
Buggy iCloud?
iPad Pro, keyboard and "pencil"?
iPhones and iPads crippled with 1gb RAM and 16gb storage?
iMacs with a 5400rpm drive in 2015?
Retina MacBooks with 1 port and terrible keyboards?
iPhones with ugly antenna lines?

The only 2 thinks I can think of that were innovations are TouchID and 3D Touch. Can anyone point me to anything else?
 
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It's already in decline. Maybe not in profits but in general "Appleness", if you know what I mean. Think about it. What has Apple released since Steve Jobs passing that has been truly spectacular?

iOS 7 or 8 or 9?
Buggy OSX releases?
Apple Music?
Apple Watch?
Buggy iCloud?
iPad Pro, keyboard and "pencil"?
iPhones and iPads crippled with 1gb RAM and 16gb storage?
iMacs with a 5400rpm drive in 2015?
Retina MacBooks with 1 port and terrible keyboards?
iPhones with ugly antenna lines?

The only 2 thinks I can think of that were innovations are TouchID and 3D Touch. Can anyone point me to anything else?
Even though you have the opinion you do, and I'll stick to iphones, since the 5s iphones have been selling at launches in record numbers. So while a few of the "hardcore" (as opposed to what? softcore) fans maybe disappointed with TC vs SJ, none of that is reflected in any of the financials.
 
That's a good point. I don't see as many hardcore Apple fanatics out and about anymore. I'm probably one of the only ones I know. Even as a huge Apple fan though, I've questioned a lot of Apple's decisions over the last couple years since they have done some dumb stuff. iOS 8.0.1, long Apple Watch delay, iPhone 6s with 16 GB of storage etc. Like you said, one abrupt change and Apple could be in trouble.

I hope that Apple can get their act together before there starts to be a decline in customer base.
Saying this on an internet forum will not really make it happen. Samsung could hang a for sale sign on it's window tomorrow. Anybody can point to anything on these forums and then post any doom-and-gloom scenario. Posting it will not make it happen.
 
It's a tough call. Sometimes market dynamics can change swiftly. Already I've noticed a rather fast decline in the ranks of hard core Apple zealots, who were once a huge contingency of the fan base. Narcissistic people abound on both coasts and are highly concentrated in tech centers like Silicon Valley. Those are the Apple devotees that get their ego stroked by their devices, their Prius or Tesla cars, their trophy wives.

With Apple Stock wavering, the economy tenuous, one big hit and things could change swiftly.
What wavering. Have you seen the market in the last 5 or 10 years? Can you point to ONE tech company, or even one company on the exchange whose stock has never dipped?

Not to mention all of the hyperbole in your post, which for discussion purposes renders it a moot point.
 
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As long as Apple keeps on manufacturing top of the line products as they have been, as well as keeping up with their good customer service of their products. I see them holding onto the #1 spot for many years to come.
 
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I would say their is no immediate danger however I feel there are more and more compromises entering their product line.

Sure all products have their faults if you look hard enough but I feel some of Apples are glaring.

Some examples.

iPhone 6+ and especially the iPad Air have in my opinion a relatively poor user experience with 1gb RAM.

The Mac Mini has no quad core option and the base model with 5400 RPM HDD ends up pushing Windows defectors away with is lack luster performance, what is even the point of that thing?

16 gb model on a device that can record 4K video?

The new AppleTV doesn't support 4K but the iPhone can record it?

Speaking of 4K who was the mastermind (of the criminal variety) that decided putting a 4K monitor into the 21" iMac, upgrading iMovie to 4K support and than giving the base model a 5400RPM hard drive was a good idea!? That's just conflicting hardware!

Why doesn't the MacBook INCLUDE a USB C adaptor? So you are telling me, if I walk into the Apple Store and spend over 2000 dollars for a computer and a iPhone (or iPad) I won't be able to plug them in together? Is there any other "sold separately" accessories I should be aware of?

The 5k iMacs thermal throttles...need I say more? It's an all in one! If I built a PC and my GPU thermal throttled that means I did it wrong and need to address my cooling system.

These things just seem like money grabs to me. Like the 5400 RPM HDD or 16gb iPhones. Apple knows people will want to upgrade away from that stuff (junk in the HDD's case) but charge 700-900 dollars more for a 1tb SSD PLUS the cost of the HDD/Fusion that was original in it? They are making it very difficult for me to remain a loyal customer.
 
Saying this on an internet forum will not really make it happen. Samsung could hang a for sale sign on it's window tomorrow. Anybody can point to anything on these forums and then post any doom-and-gloom scenario. Posting it will not make it happen.

I know it won't. Apple isn't going to die overnight. I'm not posting a doom and gloom scenario, just my opinions on Apple's recent products. I still love Apple, but when there is some thing that is wrong (from my viewpoint, which doesn't necessarily mean that it's right or wrong) I will comment, especially on a relevant thread such as this. If they do something great (almost every product is) I will give them props for it.
 
This. So much this. I remember Steve Jobs slashing all the products with exception to two desktops and two laptops. Bringing everything back under one roof was a huge move too. But I find a lot more people asking what all the differences are. Choice is good to an extent.

If I recall correctly there was a poster at one point to help you figure out what computer to buy.

I think that is a solid point. In Steve Job's biography, the point of slimming down and simplifying product lines down to the core products is something heavily emphasized in his return to Apple. I feel they need to do this again. They are overpopulating the SKUs to the point where it is no longer simple for the average consumer to choose a computer without having to do hours of research.
 
While on the subject, I think Apple's naming system is getting kind of stupid and kindergarten. Mini, plus, smart, magic, etc.

Well, I believe the only intelligent one that I can agree to is the iPhone PLUS; however, "mini" or "magic", etc. I don't think those are intelligent. I feel the iPad Mini is a waste of an investment. The iPad Pro and the iPad Air 2 alone is enough in my honest opinion. Magic Pencil doesn't make any sense according to its name.
 
People who say things like this tend to forget that the average consumer has absolutely no idea regarding any of this, much of which is ridiculously over exaggerated to begin with, and that Apple products work wonderfully for 99% of the people who use them.
Are you one of these people? No offence people say, I mean to offend.

99%? Where did you get this figure from? You should tell Apple. They wouldn't need to employ people to give after-purchase support or have replacement units on standby. Good research bro.
 
People laugh when I say this, but I've still got my eye on Microsoft with Windows phone. I think a lot of people want (or will want when they see it) a ubiquitous experience from desktop to tablet to phone and Microsoft, at least on paper, is finally on the way of delivering that. Granted, they've sort of been promising this sort of thing for years and nothing has come of it, but they're definitely all in at this point. I'm also VERY intrigued by the way app development will begein to work here between Mixrosoft's platforms. Developers once and launch on all MS operating systems is the goal. I already prefer cortana over Siri as well as the stock keyboard to that of iOS, so with a nice push in the app sector I think MS really has something. I e been called a dreamer thigh. :p
 
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I don't see Apple declining anytime soon. They are different than GE, IBM, etc. Those companies are slow and conservative. Apple pushes boundaries and does things different than most companies. They don't let shareholders dictate how they operate. They are content to work quietly and secretly in a locked room for years to refine something to the nth degree before releasing it. They have found a way to leverage the supply chain and target the higher end market in order to make more profit than anyone else in the tech industry. They attract the best talent in the industry. They are sitting on such a huge mound of cash that they can weather the biggest storm and still crank away at R&D and refine, refine, refine before releasing something, and when they do release it, it will be terrific.

What would really hurt Apple is if they somehow lost their culture and changed internally. But it seems like they are locked in pretty firmly.

I continue to be amazed at what they are able to achieve and how much control they have over each product from top to bottom, and how well that shows in the final product.
Sure anything can happen and of course the opposite can happen to; have any short positions
Edit; quoted wrong thread....sorry.
 
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I wonder if the Samsung forum has the same wacko's that say the same doom and gloom comments as this forum ? Yep, everyone is an expert. Apple is doing fine. All companies have there up/down slack period. :rolleyes:
 
People laugh when I say this, but I've still got my eye on Microsoft with Windows phone. I think a lot of people want (or will want when they see it) a ubiquitous experience from desktop to tablet to phone and Microsoft, at least on paper, is finally on the way of delivering that. Granted, they've sort of been promising this sort of thing for years and nothing has come of it, but they're definitely all in at this point. I'm also VERY intrigued by the way app development will begein to work here between Mixrosoft's platforms. Developers once and launch on all MS operating systems is the goal. I already prefer cortana over Siri as well as the stock keyboard to that of iOS, so with a nice push in the app sector I think MS really has something. I e been called a dreamer thigh. :p

You've been called a 'dreamer thigh'?
I bet that isn't a regular occurrence.:D
 
People laugh when I say this, but I've still got my eye on Microsoft with Windows phone. I think a lot of people want (or will want when they see it) a ubiquitous experience from desktop to tablet to phone and Microsoft, at least on paper, is finally on the way of delivering that. Granted, they've sort of been promising this sort of thing for years and nothing has come of it, but they're definitely all in at this point. I'm also VERY intrigued by the way app development will begein to work here between Mixrosoft's platforms. Developers once and launch on all MS operating systems is the goal. I already prefer cortana over Siri as well as the stock keyboard to that of iOS, so with a nice push in the app sector I think MS really has something. I e been called a dreamer thigh. :p
I'm with you, some people are very quick to right off Microsoft as a competitor in the mobile space. Yet as we witness the rise of the Surface Pro models, there's some strong credible rumors about a very exciting new Windows phone. I welcome that possibility. We're going to see some great advancements out of Microsoft in the near future. That will add more choices for handset buyers.

Choices are the backbone of a strong economy. It's looking good for MS.
 
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Honestly, I think their most imminent danger is of history repeating itself. Apple in the 90's had a confusing and ridiculous array of SKU's. To the average consumer, the difference between the iPhones 5S, 6, 6S, 6S+ has got to be getting confusing. Every time we add a 'S', '+', 'pro', 'mini', etc. designation, things just get a little more convoluted.

This. So much this. I remember Steve Jobs slashing all the products with exception to two desktops and two laptops. Bringing everything back under one roof was a huge move too. But I find a lot more people asking what all the differences are. Choice is good to an extent.

If I recall correctly there was a poster at one point to help you figure out what computer to buy.

This is somewhat true, but some of the slashing at the time was more due to the fact that Apple had so many product lines that it couldn't manage all of them. They made more accessories than main products which landed it in the same ball park as HP is in now with their printers, displays, etc.

Apple doesn't currently sell a bunch of accessory product lines. If you buy a product from Apple, you aren't buying it to use as an accessory to another company's main product like you would with the printers or cameras. The device most likely to be considered a fringe device of this nature would be the Apple Watch, but again, it's used to add to Apple's ecosystem, not someone else's. I would assume (possibly incorrectly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) that this is one of the major reasons why Apple decided to keep Beats as its own brand rather than integrating their hardware department under the Apple banner.

The fragmentation doesn't exist as much as it did in those days either. Now every device is using the XNU (Ironically X is not Unix even though they marketed it as a true UNIX) kernel under the hood. This means that while the devices might be slimmed down, the advantages brought to the Mac are also brought around to be advantages for the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, iPod Nano, Apple Watch, Apple TV, CarPlay, and whatever iDevice they have lying around in their prototyping labs. This kind of cross-device kernel allows for Apple to have a bunch of devices without too much internal fragmentation. Where as before they would have to possibly make a tiny piece of software that would fit on a printer or separate color and black and white Macs, now all of their devices are powerful enough to handle the kernel that they can build on.

The foray into Enterprise is also a bit different for Apple than it was before. They are trying to sell consumer devices to Enterprise consumers rather than selling Enterprise devices like the Xserve to Enterprise customers. The Xserve products were a hard sell, and the fact that the products could only be sold to an enterprise crowd meant that most of the research going into the Xserve products couldn't be salvaged to use on high-volume consumer sales. The consumer devices will sell in the Enterprise because people understand them and want them around. They are great consumer devices, and enterprise is full of consumers that want new toys.

This approach to enterprise also means that Apple can move fast. It's the office workers that create the demand, not the IT person that doesn't want to create extra change that would require the years of work associated with a mainframe switch. These smaller iterative consumer-side changes can force change in IT and open up more revenue streams.

Who knows. Cheapening of the hardware build quality, soldered RAM & sealed batteries in Macs, and constant disastrous, bug-ridden iOS releases certainly won't help keep Apple at the top forever. They must never forget their core principles in order to make a quick buck. No end in sight yet mind.

In terms of upgradeability, no phone has really been upgradeable other than some SD cards, so I can't say that they are going to be any better or worse off here, but what I can say is that more and more consumers of these devices as they become more mainstream will be of the type of person that is afraid of opening them up, and would rather buy a new computer than think of seeing the hardware inside. I wouldn't call this a good excuse, rather a reason why you'll continue to see Apple's Mac market share increase while this pattern continues.

You could also argue though that the more closely integrated systems of soldered parts allow for smaller, faster, and more power efficient devices, which is what more people would usually care about in 2015 where devices have become fast enough to get by without really needing to upgrade them. 16GB of ram was fine in 2012 when I got this Mac. It's still fine now in 2015, and I would still buy a new Mac with the same amount. 512GB was fine-ish, but I was able to upgrade my 2012 rMBP with an aftermarket OWC 1tb SSD, and I was also able to take out the Wi-Fi n card and replace it with a 2013 ac card to take advantage of my Airport Extreme's speeds.

TL;DR: I think Apple is doing pretty well with what they have. Cheers to some more great years from this great company.
 
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Lots of interesting thoughts in this thread.
Personally I don't care where the company sits relative to the market. All I care about is that it continues to provide me the products I love.
Will it fail one day? I believe it is inevitable, they all do. Hopefully not for many years though.
 
Apple will remain at the top of the industry for generations to come. They have shown no signs of slowing down under Tim Cook. They continue to hire the best and brightest minds in the industry. They continue creating the very best products in every category that anyone and everyone can use and enjoy. And Apple has unprecedented control over the entire supply chain. All of us will be long dead before Apple ever shows any sign of decline. They are the best, and they will continue to be the best effectively forever.
 
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Apple will remain at the top of the industry for generations to come. They have shown no signs of slowing down under Tim Cook. They continue to hire the best and brightest minds in the industry. They continue creating the very best products in every category that anyone and everyone can use and enjoy. And Apple has unprecedented control over the entire supply chain. All of us will be long dead before Apple ever shows any sign of decline. They are the best, and they will continue to be the best effectively forever.
Generations of devices, or generations of people?
 
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People laugh when I say this, but I've still got my eye on Microsoft with Windows phone. I think a lot of people want (or will want when they see it) a ubiquitous experience from desktop to tablet to phone and Microsoft, at least on paper, is finally on the way of delivering that. Granted, they've sort of been promising this sort of thing for years and nothing has come of it, but they're definitely all in at this point. I'm also VERY intrigued by the way app development will begein to work here between Mixrosoft's platforms. Developers once and launch on all MS operating systems is the goal. I already prefer cortana over Siri as well as the stock keyboard to that of iOS, so with a nice push in the app sector I think MS really has something. I e been called a dreamer thigh. :p

I'd let Microsoft go. I think the Windows branding hurts them more than anything else. Just hearing the words Windows in various products makes you think about the prehistoric times. Microsoft is trying so hard to keep Windows alive and relevant that it is down right sad. A new OS is needed for them and live tiles are not the answer.

Quality control is the second thing that kills them. Have you seen the complaints on the Surface Book? Pretty long list of glitches. Sadly, most folks look at Microsoft product and services as utilities but Microsoft doesn't get that and wants Apple cult like following on the consumer side. They need laser focus on what they are good at then I think things will turn around. Look at the X-Box One for example. They were killing it with the X-Box 360, then they decided to get cute and lose focus. They lost this console generation before the systems even launched. This basically sums up Microsoft. Lack of focus and always screwing up a good thing when they have the lead.
 
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