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I just switched my best friend. His parents owned a pc while he was still living at his parents. He received about 2300 euro's from his work and we spend it up to 10 euro. Bought a nice 15 inch fp and a scanner/printer and a digital camera. He is very happy except for the fact his ADSL is not working yet. I'll have a look tonight.
 
software problems for switchers

I asked a PC owner to list the software titles he uses. Roughly how much are you looking at spending to maintain this capability when switching to a new Mac? It looks quite a daunting obstacle to overcome in the switch campaign. The iLife suite doesnt cover all these bases. At least the hardware is the least of one´s condsiderations

Windows 98, Microsoft Publishe,Word,Excel,Outlook and Explorer.

Encarta 2002,Encyclopaedia Britannica,Norton anti Virus2003, IBM Via Voice,

Adaptec CD Writer, Wacom tablet, Terrapin FTP, Ordinance Survey, Roxio

Photosuite 5, Paint Shop Pro 7, Adobe Elements, Adobe Photoshop Album,

Jessops Photo software, Games-Free Cell & Solitaire,

Programs used occasionally-

Webster world Series used, Swift, Easycleaner, Epson Photo Quicker,

Core Design, Art Explosion, Lifestyle software- Gardens, Namo WebEditor

IspQ Video Chat 6, Communication- Dialup networking, Internet connection

Wizard, Phone Dialer, Direct Cable Connection, Entertainment- CD Player,

Interactive CD Sampler, Sound Recorder, Volume Control, Media Player,

Internet Tools, Systems Tools, Calculator, Imagingt, Notepad, Paint,

Word Pad, Address Book, Europress- Barleywood garden & design,Medical

Library, AA Multimedia, Plantcare encyclopaedia, ACD Systems,

Photolightning, Acrobat Reader 5,Garden- Encyclopaedias 1&2, 3D Landscapes,

Direct Scan.
 
Re: software problems for switchers

Originally posted by billyboy
I asked a PC owner to list the software titles he uses. Roughly how much are you looking at spending to maintain this capability when switching to a new Mac? It looks quite a daunting obstacle to overcome in the switch campaign. The iLife suite doesnt cover all these bases. At least the hardware is the least of one´s condsiderations

Windows 98 - OS X (comes with Mac). Upgrades about $130.

Microsoft Publisher, Word, Excel, Outlook and Explorer. - Who still uses Publisher? ;) :p Office X, or AppleWorks, or Thinkfree, for most of it. You'd have to pay for the PC version and/or upgrades for Windows and Office anyway. Sometimes free with a new Mac to $199. Mail and Safari, free.

Encarta 2002, Encyclopaedia Britannica, IBM Via Voice - Plenty of Encyclopdia and voice recognition software, but yes, you do have to pay for it. About $50 - $100. Again, you'd have to pay for the upgrade anyway.

Norton anti Virus2003 - Don't need antivirus, but you can get it if you need to. $60 to $130.

Adaptec CD Writer, Wacom tablet, Terrapin FTP, Ordinance Survey, Roxio - iTunes (Roxio Toast if you need it, $100), USB Tablets work fine on Macs, plenty of free and cheap FTP programs, not sure about the last one.

Photosuite 5, Paint Shop Pro 7, Adobe Elements, Adobe Photoshop Album, Jessops Photo software - iPhoto, Elements 2 $60 ($100 minus $30 off for users of other Photoshop Elements and/or Photodeluxe), plenty of Paint programs (but they can be kind-of expensive).

Games-Free Cell & Solitaire - Versiontracker, free/shareware.

Webster world Series used, Swift, Easycleaner, Epson Photo Quicker, Core Design, Art Explosion, Gardens, Namo WebEditor - some of those are available as Mac versions, but a lot of this seems redundant.

IspQ Video Chat 6 - iChat AV, among others.

Dialup networking, Internet connection Wizard, Phone Dialer, Direct Cable Connection, CD Player Interactive CD Sampler, Sound Recorder, Volume Control, Media Player, Internet Tools, Systems Tools, Calculator, Imagingt, Notepad, Paint, Word Pad, Address Book - All in OS X.

Europress- Barleywood garden & design,Medical Library, AA Multimedia, Plantcare encyclopaedia, ACD Systems, Photolightning, Acrobat Reader 5,Garden- Encyclopaedias 1&2, 3D Landscapes, Direct Scan - Again, some of these have OS X programs, some free, but some don't. You may need Virtual PC for some stuff. About $200.

And don't forget, with some programs, if you own the PC version, you can get the Apple upgrade verison. That way you don't have to pay for the full version for software you already own.
 
Switcher Anniversary

I switched a year and 2 days ago right before my birthday, and I haven't really looked back. I haven't really been able to "convert" anyone, but I can say I've had less problems with my 12" iBook 600mhz than I have had with my Dell Inspiron 4100. I eventually gave the D(H)ell to my fiance' and still use the iBook.

I switched because I took a new job in a 75/25 mac/pc environment and new jack diddly about macs. So as soon as I scraped funds together, in came the 12" iBook. I do regret being a cheap bastage and not getting the powerbook, but at the time TiBooks 1ghz weren't out yet, and the top of the line was running $3000. So I went for the $1194 iBook and eventually maxed out the RAM.

As for evangelizing, thats a harder sell because my coworkers use both already (we're a mac/pc IT dept) and my classmates at school (InfoSys major) are HARDCORE PC users who bash Apple at the drop of a hat. (Don't dare start an argument over Network Operating Systems, and why Novell really was better that WinNT/2k server "back in the day")
 
switch story

I switched when I saw the Flat Panel iMac for the first time. Preordered it almost right away, to replace my aging, failing, hand built PC system. Never looked back. Switch my father-in-law to a Powerbook 800Mhz, bought myself a new Powerbook 1Ghz. That might be the system that switches my father, who knows...

Once people see how easy to use and how stable the Mac hardware is, it's hard to look at a WinPC again. The only thing that keeps most people back is $$. I have a lot of friends who hate M$ with a passion, but can't convinve themselves to pay a premium over a PC system for a Mac system.

Apple really needs a decently powerful, sub $1000 desktop (i.e. cut the flat panel off the iMac so people can re-use the CRTs, keyboards and mice they already have...

...Jim
 
I switched in the Dos days before Windows 3.1 because Macs were so much better than PCs back then, also most of the games came on the Mac first and then maybe came to the PC later on. It was also the time when most people hadn't really heard of M$. I miss those days. Too bad Apple's management was not as good as M$.
 
My friends pretty much spout of anti-Mac stuff at me because they know it bothers me :)

But also, a few of them have old (bad) experiences with Macs, and that has stuck with them. I am like, "but they have CHANGED in every single way!" A good friend of mine just started a new job where.... gasp... he is forced to work on a beige Powermac G3 with Mac OS 8... EIGHT. The first day was filled with IMs like "I &$%! HATE MACS!" and I am like dude, that system is analogous to Windows 3.1! People who only remember pre-OS X Macs have bias.

But the most common thing I hear is about how much more expensive Macs are. They don't want to hear about the iApps or other intangible values... they look at sticker price. Of course, I think Macs are very price competitive nowadays... they just don't enter the super-crap ultra-low Walmart $400 POS category.

I have found that the biggest "plus"... the thing that impresses PC users the most... is with respect to peripherals/drivers. For instance, I showed them my new LaCie firewire CD, and all the print and electronic instructions plus CD of drivers/installers for the PC. Then I showed them what I did to get it working... plugged it in and say I havent had to read a manual in years. Gasps, shock, and awe :)
 
Originally posted by snahabed
My friends pretty much spout of anti-Mac stuff at me because they know it bothers me :)

But also, a few of them have old (bad) experiences with Macs, and that has stuck with them. I am like, "but they have CHANGED in every single way!" A good friend of mine just started a new job where.... gasp... he is forced to work on a beige Powermac G3 with Mac OS 8... EIGHT. The first day was filled with IMs like "I &$%! HATE MACS!" and I am like dude, that system is analogous to Windows 3.1! People who only remember pre-OS X Macs have bias.

But the most common thing I hear is about how much more expensive Macs are. They don't want to hear about the iApps or other intangible values... they look at sticker price. Of course, I think Macs are very price competitive nowadays... they just don't enter the super-crap ultra-low Walmart $400 POS category.

I have found that the biggest "plus"... the thing that impresses PC users the most... is with respect to peripherals/drivers. For instance, I showed them my new LaCie firewire CD, and all the print and electronic instructions plus CD of drivers/installers for the PC. Then I showed them what I did to get it working... plugged it in and say I havent had to read a manual in years. Gasps, shock, and awe :)

I have a co worker who constantly compares Windows XP to System7.

I am like dude...that was 1991...ummm Windows 3.0 anyone?

I hate people like that if I mentioned how crappy even Windows Me is they'd be all over my case!

MacBoyX
 
But the most common thing I hear is about how much more expensive Macs are. They don't want to hear about the iApps or other intangible values... they look at sticker price. Of course, I think Macs are very price competitive nowadays... they just don't enter the super-crap ultra-low Walmart $400 POS category.

I would have no problem paying the premium price of a Mac *IF* the mac offered more power than a similarly priced PC. But the fact of the matter is, for the price of a 17" iMac, I can get a top-of-the-line PC /w monitor which would be at LEAST 3x as fast as the iMac, lasting me a lot longer.

I am extremly eager to switch, but until Apple catches up in speed, i will continue to wait.
 
Yeah, but....

I would have no problem paying the premium price of a Mac *IF* the mac offered more power than a similarly priced PC. But the fact of the matter is, for the price of a 17" iMac, I can get a top-of-the-line PC /w monitor which would be at LEAST 3x as fast as the iMac, lasting me a lot longer.

Yeah, it might be 3x as fast, but that just means it'll reboot faster after it blue screens :)

The "speed" issue as I have experienced it is GUI, and not overall machine speed, if that makes sense. The machine is fast, the GUI is a little slow. I'm used to the click, click click. Instant popup of the PC, not so on the mac (well, on my iBook for *sure*) things are a tad slower than that. But, YMMV.
 
I've switched a couple and then helped launch a few other switchers through the sale of my used machines.

First, my girlfriend received a Wintel computer from her family for Xmas. We immediately returned it to Best Buy and upgraded her to a rev. B iMac. She's now on her third machine, a 1 GHz Powerbook.

We convinced her parents to buy her rev. B. They loved it and bought a 17" flatscreeen iMac within a year and promptly ditched their Gateway.

Years ago, I sold my 7200/75 to a switcher and my year-old 12" iBook, also just went to a switcher.

My girfriend sold her year-old 12" iBook to a friend from work...also a switcher...So I kinda get half credit for that one too.
 
Re: Yeah, but....

Originally posted by AnotherMortal
Yeah, it might be 3x as fast, but that just means it'll reboot faster after it blue screens :)

The "speed" issue as I have experienced it is GUI, and not overall machine speed, if that makes sense. The machine is fast, the GUI is a little slow. I'm used to the click, click click. Instant popup of the PC, not so on the mac (well, on my iBook for *sure*) things are a tad slower than that. But, YMMV.

The thing is, i've have not had a blue screen of death on any of my PC's since Windows 98. I've been running XP for 1.5 years now (on the same install!!) and i've yet to have it crash on me or give me a blue screen.

But i'm not talking about GUI speed performance. I'm talking about overall performance. The 1ghz iMac in my local Apple store wasn't able to play Warcraft3 at an acceptable level, so I don't even want to think about how it runs something modern like UT2k3. Any future games like DOOM3 are completly out of the question. So in other words, i'd be paying a premium price for a computer that can't even play games released a year ago at full speed. Thats my main issue with the current Macs. Hopefully Apple will remedy this soon.
 
Re: Re: Yeah, but....

Originally posted by DOACleric
The thing is, i've have not had a blue screen of death on any of my PC's since Windows 98. I've been running XP for 1.5 years now (on the same install!!) and i've yet to have it crash on me or give me a blue screen.

But i'm not talking about GUI speed performance. I'm talking about overall performance. The 1ghz iMac in my local Apple store wasn't able to play Warcraft3 at an acceptable level, so I don't even want to think about how it runs something modern like UT2k3. Any future games like DOOM3 are completly out of the question. So in other words, i'd be paying a premium price for a computer that can't even play games released a year ago at full speed. Thats my main issue with the current Macs. Hopefully Apple will remedy this soon.

Why on earth would you read a Mac Rumor board, and then Mac Bash? I am certain that at least HALF of the people on this board don't feel there Mac is any slower than your PC and I am sure PLENTY are playing WarCraft3 and UT2K3 on their 1GHz iMacs.

I am glad you haven't had any blue screens on your Windows XP system (it only took Microsoft five tries to get it right (95, 98, 98SE, Me, 2000).

All I can say is if you're all about the speed of the machine and not about the usability, stability, and function of the OS, then stick with Microsoft, owning a Mac is about so much more than Ghz.

MacBoyX
 
I'm not trying to bash Macs. I understand their strengths, as well as their weaknesses. And currently, one of their main weaknesses is speed. I know its not Apples fault, but you have to admit, Mac users miss the days when their computers were faster than PC's. With the arrival of the G5 and Apples partnership with IBM, that will hopefully happen again, but it will take time.

And I visit these Mac forums because I like to learn and understand other computers/operating systems. And one day I hope to switch over too!
 
It's currently pretty well understood that if you are primarily a PC gamer, you are indeed better off with a Wintel PC.

I do agree that Win 2K Pro is pretty much as stable as Jaguar, but the apps--noticeably, Outlook--will bog it down at strange and frustrating points. My TiBook is only the slightest shade less responsive, in my perception, and we're talking a 1.8 GHz P4 against a 667 MHz G4. I haven't even upped the Ti's memory. I don't think the speed difference is really as much as the Wintel people make it out to be, but hey, that's just me.

The G5 might change that when it's available though...you might not have too long to wait. When it's on the shelves, head down to your nearest Apple Store or reseller, and find out! :)
 
Yeah just to add:

If you are all about gaming on a PC, stick with Windows.

And it is true, Windows XP does not blue screen like older versions of Windows. But I think you're missing the bigger stuff... The viruses, the copy protection, the digital rights managment, the activation codes, the drivers/installing nightmares, and who knows what other future "goodies" they have in store. If a G4 iMac is a little bit slower (and I think it is perfectly fast for virtually anything), then its benefits in all those areas are surely enough to make up for it in my opinion.

Plus, I bet Panther will add GUI snappiness to G4s. That said, I think iMacs are a bit overpriced, but they arent really my market anyway. If I want a great Mac, I got powerbook/powermac G5. If i want a cheap mac, I go iBook/eMac. The iMac ... meh.

So I would wait for Panther and potential iMac updates (it HAS been a while... even if G5's arent coming soon, other parts surely are due for updating).
 
I bought a bright new shiny titanium laptop and brought it to work with me. slowly the techies and other designers started peeking into my cube to check it out. within a month, i had spread the 'Gospel according to Mac' to 8 other employees, all who went out and bought 12" or 15" pbooks. Honestly i should be on commission. How about it Apple?
 
Well, unfortuantly my TiBook is being AppleCared and I'm in no position to try and switch someone. There was an apparent hold and they had to contact the AppleGenius who sent it to make sure I didn't sabatoge it. Luckily he was on my side and I'm awaiting for the Repair Status page to update beyound the "hold" status, cause I'm really missing it!

The facts about the Mac that I like the most are the multitasking, no registry, and better driver support. In fact the only drivers I had to use were for my scanner/printer combo and my Wacom. I also enjoy how well OSX organizes it's files. XP sorta just throughs everything together (i.e. programs always change something in the system).

Since using XP since my mac has been in service I have encountered the way in which MS has hidden the service pack part. It downloads the updates in the background! Not only is that annoying but it also slows down your internet bandwidth.
 
So how did you switchers with a fair amount of PC software find the switch financially and practically to Mac software? There is a great list above with assorted prices to convert to Mac and it runs into several hundred dollars over and above the cost of the new Mac hardware.
 
Well, I swtiched to Mac world for 3 days only... this is my third day. Anyway, I must admit that I am happy with the OS plus the overall system. I brought a 12" Powerbook with some expectation... So far, I am still trying to learn how to do things... "Anyone want to tell me how to change between programs, if I am using full screen mode. I know windows is "Alt+Tab" but I have no idea what OSX is..."

As with mac software, i being doing lots of web searching and reading to see what is best software to use as well. So far FTP & CDR burning software is still a big confusoin for me... Anything as good as nero for OSX?

Anyway, I enjoy my new Powerbook but I need lots of help as well... Feel free to give me advise guy...
 
Originally posted by SLJ
Well, I swtiched to Mac world for 3 days only... this is my third day. Anyway, I must admit that I am happy with the OS plus the overall system. I brought a 12" Powerbook with some expectation... So far, I am still trying to learn how to do things... "Anyone want to tell me how to change between programs, if I am using full screen mode. I know windows is "Alt+Tab" but I have no idea what OSX is..."

As with mac software, i being doing lots of web searching and reading to see what is best software to use as well. So far FTP & CDR burning software is still a big confusoin for me... Anything as good as nero for OSX?

Anyway, I enjoy my new Powerbook but I need lots of help as well... Feel free to give me advise guy...

Command+Tab switches thru the running programs. If you just need basic CD burning that can be done w/Finder. For more advanced you can buy Toast or for even more options you can spring for Toast w/Jam.


Lethal
 
Thank for a quick reply... anychance you can teach me how to uninstall application as well? Or is it as simple as just deleting the folder and that's it? I assume OSX does not have a registry like Windows?
 
the first computer I used was a Mac... my grandma's Mac 512K in 1985 was completely bad@ss, along with the imagewriter printer... such a great machine. I used PC's for the intervening years up 'til 1998 when I bought a clone... and I was hooked in again. 1999 saw me buying an iMac and I never went back to a PC again. Two iBooks and a 17" FP later, I'm glad I switched. Everything my PC-abusing friends can do, I can do better, faster and easier... the last computer I'll ever use is... a Mac.
 
I switched a month and a half ago to an apple mac g3 i mac blue berry coloured... And i love it. I switched because i had nothing but problems with my pc since though i have found the fault a hard drive full of bad sectors oh well but i am using the mac more than the pc simply becaue its easier to use. and the Mac is running Jag a term i had no idea till 2 weeks before i bought it....

Do i miss anything i missed the 2 button scroll wheel so i went and bought one i also got a load of software with my purches so i didnt loose much .. i gained more than anything... fantastic..

Sabenth
 
Uninstalling apps.

Originally posted by SLJ
Thank for a quick reply... anychance you can teach me how to uninstall application as well? Or is it as simple as just deleting the folder and that's it? I assume OSX does not have a registry like Windows?

I've found that just dragging the application and dropping it in the trash works well for "uninstalling" since the "application" is really a folder with a pretty icon attached to it. You delete about 99% of the applications files, and the one file you miss is the .plist file, which basically is a preference settings file.
 
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