How many of you would replace your rMBP for new Macbook Air?

[jeyf]

You’re just having some fun, right?

i own said MBP and have a significant key board issue. This is a real limiting issue when you cant type accurate. I talked with another 2017 MBP owner at the apple store who daid the $800 repair. The new replaced keyboard did not resolve the typing issues

the usb-C connectors are loose.
the finger print reader only semi works compared to an iphone 7
the track pad is un predictable
sometimes the MBP goes into a mode the batteries discharge rapid, some times not
seldom but every once in a while the gpu has issues

 

[csurfr]

i own said MBP and have a significant key board issue. This is a real limiting issue when you cant type accurate. I talked with another 2017 MBP owner at the apple store who daid the $800 repair. The new replaced keyboard did not resolve the typing issues

the usb-C connectors are loose.
the finger print reader only semi works compared to an iphone 7
the track pad is un predictable
sometimes the MBP goes into a mode the batteries discharge rapid, some times not
seldom but every once in a while the gpu has issues

Take that thing in for service! It obviously has problems.

 

[senttoschool]

Lol you “used” it for 3 days. Better thermals, faster components, and no throttling. Better in every aspect for performance. The only problems are the keyboard for some and the jarring change of ports. You did say though that you don’t do any photo/video editing or graphic work so it would seem the same to you for normal work. The Air is just extremely underpowered compared though. Not sure how you’re arguing that. It’s an objective fact.

My 2015 fully loaded Macbook Pro was faster than the 2016 MBP that I "used" for 3 days. I also have an 8-core Ryzen PC.

I know what kind of performance I need and the Air meets it.

Most people aren't graphic designers or video editors.

 

[impulse462]

My 2015 fully loaded Macbook Pro was faster than the 2016 MBP that I "used" for 3 days

An objective wrong statement as proved by benchmarks but ok.

 

[csurfr]

My 2015 fully loaded Macbook Pro was faster than the 2016 MBP that I "used" for 3 days. I also have an 8-core Ryzen PC.

I know what kind of performance I need and the Air meets it.

Most people aren't graphic designers or video editors.

So your maxed out 2015 was faster than what? The base model 2017? Shocker.

 

[senttoschool]

An objective wrong statement as proved by benchmarks but ok.

2015 15" Single core: 4362
2015 15" Multi core: 14509

2016 15" Single core: 4302
2016 15" Multi core: 14085

https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks

Intel's IPC hasn't changed since Sandy Bridge. I also used the 13" 2016 version which is even worse.

Ok.

 

[csurfr]

2015 15" Single core: 4362
2015 15" Multi core: 14509

2016 15" Single core: 4302
2016 15" Multi core: 14085

https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks

Intel's IPC hasn't changed since Sandy Bridge. I also used the 13" 2016 version which is even worse.

Ok.

And which processor speeds are you comparing here?

 

[senttoschool]

So your maxed out 2015 was faster than what? The base model 2017? Shocker.

@impulse462 said I wouldn't know how the 2016/2017 MBPs performed because I never used one. I was trying to prove to him that I did in fact use one. In addition, I used the 2015 15" version for several years at work which is basically has the same performance as the 2016 version.

Hope this makes sense.
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And which processor speeds are you comparing here?

The highest one for each year.

 

[csurfr]

@impulse462 said I wouldn't know how the 2016/2017 MBPs performed because I never used one. I was trying to prove to him that I did in fact use one. In addition, I used the 2015 version for several years at work which is basically has the same performance as the 2016 version.

Hope this makes sense.

Again, it doesn’t make sense because you are saying “maxed out 2015 vs. 2016”, but you are not specifying which 2016 machine you used.

It’s like me saying my 2015 3-Series BMW is faster than my 2017 3-Series, but as it turns out the 2015 was an M3 and the 2017 was a 330i. Does that make sense?

 

[senttoschool]

Again, it doesn’t make sense because you are saying “maxed out 2015 vs. 2016”, but you are not specifying which 2016 machine you used.

I bought the 13" 2016 MBP nTB and used it for 3 days. It was worse in almost every way to the 2015 version so I returned it.

 

[csurfr]

I bought the 13" 2016 MBP nTB and used it for 3 days. It was worse in almost every way to the 2015 version so I returned it.

So let me get this straight. You’re comparing the absolute base model dual core i5 to a maxed out quad core i7 and you expect the i5 to be faster?! Cmon man.

 

[senttoschool]

Again, it doesn’t make sense because you are saying “maxed out 2015 vs. 2016”, but you are not specifying which 2016 machine you used.

It’s like me saying my 2015 3-Series BMW is faster than my 2017 3-Series, but as it turns out the 2015 was an M3 and the 2017 was a 330i. Does that make sense?

Please reread our conversations. I think you're lost and completely missed the point.
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So let me get this straight. You’re comparing the absolute base model dual core i5 to a maxed out quad core i7 and you expect the i5 to be faster?! Cmon man.

Again, please reread our conversations. You're lost.

 

[csurfr]

Please reread our conversations. I think you're lost and completely missed the point.

No, I’m afraid you’re missing the point.

You said specifically “My 2015 fully loaded Macbook Pro was faster than the 2016 MBP that I "used" for 3 days. I also have an 8-core Ryzen PC.”

Those are your words, are they not?

So in comparing like for like really quickly:

Your maxed out 2015 (2.8ghz) seems to average between 15000 - 15800
My middle of the line (2.9ghz) 2017 - In which I have illustrator, visual studio and a handful of other programs open, ran geek bench 4 one time - 15861

 

[senttoschool]

No, I’m afraid you’re missing the point.

You said specifically “My 2015 fully loaded Macbook Pro was faster than the 2016 MBP that I "used" for 3 days. I also have an 8-core Ryzen PC.”

Those are your words, are they not?

So in comparing like for like really quickly:

Your maxed out 2015 (2.8ghz) seems to average between 15000 - 15800
My middle of the line (2.9ghz) 2017 - In which I have illustrator, visual studio and a handful of other programs open, ran geek bench 4 one time - 15861

Those are exactly my words. But you're missing the context so your replies are kind of pointless.

 

[leman]

If Apple releases a Macbook Air with a faster CPU/GPU + Retina display, I'd sell my MBP immediately and get it.

The Air with Retina is, in my opinion, a far superior laptop to anything in Apple's lineup. Reliable keyboard with travel, best battery life, ports, light, small touchpad, no touch bar.

What are you talking about? If they release a new MacBook Air, it will most likely be a slightly larger 12" MacBook...

 

[theluggage]

If Apple releases a Macbook Air with a faster CPU/GPU + Retina display, I'd sell my MBP immediately and get it.

Are we talking about the non-touchbar "Pro" here?

If I needed a Mac laptop for office, communications and light web/script development on the move I'd seriously consider the current Air rather than the nTB MBP. The only clear advantage of the nTB is the retina screen - in most other respects the Air is simply a more practical design for this class of laptop: Yup, if I'm buying an ultraportable laptop with a low-power CPU/GPU then I'm not going to worry less about 40Gbps Thunderbolt 3 or connecting the only 5k display on the market and more about whether its going to work with my existing stuff or if I'll need a dongle when someone passes me a memory stick... Having a decent keyboard and a sensible-sized trackpad also trumps any GPU/CPU speedup that you'd need to run benchmarks to notice.

The only sticking point is the Air's screen (which, frankly, I can live with, and the MBA docks nicely with the LED cinema display on my work desk - the MBP would need multiple dongles and a new power supply).

If Apple updated the Air with a retina display and newer CPU then it would be a no-brainer.

...as for the more powerful MBPs... In the past, I've used an MBP as a main machine. The new MBPs were so ~meh, though, that I've now got an iMac on my desk to handle the heavy lifting (far more bangs-per-buck than any new MBP) and would certainly consider a new (non-mucked-up) Air for my portable needs once my old MBP expires.

Unfortunately, I'm sure Apple will find other ways to "improve" the Air - probably removing all the useful port, adding their magical new butterfly keyboard and over-large trackpad while shrinking the battery for the sake of shaving a few mm off the thickness) or it would kill the nTB MBP stone dead.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

False. I purchased a 2016 MBP when it was came out. Returned it 3 days later. I also had a fully loaded 15" 2015 MBP from work. I currently use a 2015 MBP 13".

I've used them all.

The Air is the best laptop Apple ever made. All it needs is a retina display and a modern CPU and it's automatically the best laptop for most people.

If the new Air comes with TB3 so it can run eGPUs I may get rid of my 2017 15” MBP and go with MBA + Sonnett eGPU. The dGPU in my MBP renders at 1/3 the speed of the CPU. The GTX1070 in my desktop is roughly 5x faster than my MBP’s CPU, which means the GTX1070 is roughly 15x faster than the dGPU in my “top of the line” 2017 MBP.

 

[ascender]

I really like my 2017 MBP. It might not be a popular opinion on here, but I really like the form factor, the screen and I bought some new cables so even USB-C isn't an issue for me now.

Would this new Air have the same blisteringly fast SSD as the Pros have? With an updated Air, I'd get magsafe back.... but its very handy to be able to power the machine from either side. I like the feel of the new keyboard, but obviously reliability is a concern. Having used a previous-gen MBP and an Air recently, their keyboards feel a bit "mushy" and soft to me.

To be honest, their laptop lineup is a bit of a mess at the moment. If they updated the Air "enough", so that it solved some of the perceived issues with the Pros, it would end up as another Franken-laptop in the lineup - the price would also inevitably go up - and it would just make the buying selection for a lot of people even more confusing.

How about if they just added a second USB-C port to the MacBook 12" along with a SD-card slot and included a couple of USB-A to USB-C adaptors in the box? That laptop is pretty damn capable these days, so I'd be more tempted by that instead of an upgraded Air which was still kind of in-between the MacBook and the Pros.

Or they just ditch the Air and massively drop the price of the 13" nTB MBP?

 

[jeyf]

i would be very careful buying any new MacBook hardware:

Some owners have had their 2017 MBP keyboard serviced but the replacement parts have the same design flaw.
my 2017 MBP is a problem child &
Will continue to under perform...

in 2017 i bought 2 computer devices.
A MBP &
A fan less micro ITX box.
The ITX box has hung out at 50 degrees C and i have never even done a reset on it. I did not have to buy apple care for it. It just works. For a fraction of the cost.

 

[kschendel]

I'd buy a 15 inch, retina screen macbook more or less regardless of what CPU, GPU, or ports were available. (I would want 16 Gb ram minimum, though, for VM's.) Pretty much the only reason I use a rMBP now is because that's the only way I can get a 15 inch screen, and my eyes aren't getting any better.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I'd buy a 15 inch, retina screen macbook more or less regardless of what CPU, GPU, or ports were available. (I would want 16 Gb ram minimum, though, for VM's.) Pretty much the only reason I use a rMBP now is because that's the only way I can get a 15 inch screen, and my eyes aren't getting any better.

I have this same problem.
I really want a 15" "Air"

 

[Falhófnir]

why would you buy a pro machine if you aren't doing any work on it. . .. . . . . . .. ..

What’s the difference between a ntb ‘pro’ and an air? Iris graphics? It was even marketed as the successor to the air. The touch bar model is barely any better. At this point ‘pro’ is a marketing sub-brand and nothing more.

 

[turbineseaplane]

At this point ‘pro’ is a marketing sub-brand and nothing more.

Exactly.

"Pro" in Apple parlance = "It might be a bit better, might not, but it certainly will cost more"

 

[csurfr]

I have this same problem.
I really want a 15" "Air"

IF Apple kept the current MacBook Air form factor, and just upgraded the screen they could probably fit a 14” screen in there. The bezels on the current Air are massive (and to me, obtrusive). Like mentioned above, I could certainly get away with a new Air if I could bto one with 16gb. I honestly don’t have a preference as to which keyboard it has. Though please give me one usb-c port if not two.

Any thoughts on of the media event will have a stream? The AppleTV app hasn’t been updated to reflect it as of yet.

 

[Falhófnir]

I'd buy a 15 inch, retina screen macbook more or less regardless of what CPU, GPU, or ports were available. (I would want 16 Gb ram minimum, though, for VM's.) Pretty much the only reason I use a rMBP now is because that's the only way I can get a 15 inch screen, and my eyes aren't getting any better.

I agree, that’s the really glaring gap in the lineup at this point, yet another 13” variant will make little difference and probably just largely cannibalise the sales of the MacBook pros. Meanwhile if you want a 15” screen, 2012 design and 2014 chipset :/ and all for the same you’d have paid in 2015 (more in the UK)