How much do you value Snow Leopard

Discussion in 'macOS' started by darwinian, Feb 12, 2009.


How much is SL worth to you?

  1. It should be free.

    11 vote(s)
  2. It should be less than $129 USD.

    37 vote(s)
  3. It should stay $129.

    43 vote(s)
  4. It should be more than $129.

    3 vote(s)
  1. darwinian macrumors 6502a


    Jan 4, 2008
    In R4, more or less
    With the features we're assuming are going to be included in SL, how much would you pay for the upgrade?

    Has a poll on this been done before? My LazySearch™ didn't turn up anything obvious, though obviously this topic has been brought up before.
  2. carfac macrumors 65816


    Feb 18, 2006
    Let me think.... Apple discount something. No. Does NOT happen. They will charge 129.00.

    I will be skipping it, in all probability, too. Tuning the OS is fine and all.... but without a real "gee Whiz" factor, no way can I justify that at 129.00.
  3. SuperCompu2 macrumors 6502a


    Jul 23, 2006
    Free. Certainly not enough to justify a new release.
  4. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

    Tallest Skil

    Aug 13, 2006
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
    $129 + tax.

    Anyone thinking otherwise needs to shape up, now. :cool:
  5. darwinian thread starter macrumors 6502a


    Jan 4, 2008
    In R4, more or less
    Yeah, so what would you be willing to pay for this? I'm about willing to pay an academic discount for this, so I'm not terribly bent out of shape about the $129 situation, though I do think they should do < $129, if for no other reason than marketing.
  6. nick9191 macrumors 68040

    Feb 17, 2008
    $129 + tax
  7. hacksaw-C87 macrumors regular

    Jan 12, 2009
    Birmingham England
    Should be less. Will be $129 + tax. Or, in other words, £130 of my British pounds. Glad that I still qualify for the academic discount. I value it quite highly, incremental performance improvements rank highly on my wish-list.
  8. ChrisA macrumors G4

    Jan 5, 2006
    Redondo Beach, California
    When it comes out I'll wait untill I here how well it works or if it's "buggy". Then if it solves a problem I have with Leopard I'll buy it. But from what I'm reading SN will mostly only provide features that developers can use. If so then SN is of no use to most people until there are applications that take actually use the new features.

    At some point I will have to have SN if I want to use the new Apps. Then it will be worth upgrading.

    Always the point of an OS is to run software. I'll run whatever OS makes the software work best.
  9. beige matchbox macrumors 6502a

    beige matchbox

    Mar 16, 2005
    Oxfordshire, UK
    Given Leopard is currently £83 it seems likely Snow Leopard will be £80 - £90, which for a full OS upgrade is well worth it :)
  10. sidewinder macrumors 68020


    Dec 10, 2008
    Northern California
    Snow Leopard is of no use to most people until there are applications that actually use the new features?? What an ignorant statement!

    Who would want an OS that was faster, took up less space, was more efficient, and laid the groundwork for much better multiprocessing, use of the graphics card GPU for general calculations, etc.?

    What Apple is doing here is a much bigger change and significantly more work than what they did when going from Tiger to Leopard. Basically, they are going through the OS from the ground up so we don't have a base OS with a bunch of stuff tacked on to it. Snow Leopard is a clean slate.

    Even though it is not a "feature" release, it will have plenty of new features and differences that will help the average user from the day it is installed. App developers will be releasing updated apps to take advantage of the new core technologies quickly as well.

  11. darwinian thread starter macrumors 6502a


    Jan 4, 2008
    In R4, more or less
    I think ChrisA has a valid point from a user's perspective, one that I felt was valid on a lot of previous "feature-packed" OS upgrades.

    Consider: Tiger works just fine on one's machine. Leopard (especially wireless) was awful from 10.5.0 until about 10.5.3 (yikes). Even after the bugs were worked out (10.5.3 SHOULD have been 10.5.0), was there an obvious incentive to move from Tiger to Leopard? Depends on which Leopard features one valued.

    Now, if the feature set for Leopard only included things like sandboxing, DTrace, and CoreAnimation support throughout, then I think that the value statement is perfectly valid: the merit of these and many other features is not 100% obvious and often invisible for many end users. So many aspects of Leopard benefitted the developer, which is great for end users in the long run. Happier developers with very easy to use tools means that more people are willing to write higher quality applications, which means that Mac is more useful, which means that users are more apt to stick with/switch to Mac. PS. The real value of Leopard was in those dev side features, in my opinion. While a few features such as QL are useful, most of the stuff they were selling (transparent menu bar, reflective 3D dock -- c'mon) was kind of silly.

    The things you list, sidewinder, are undoubtedly beneficial to all of us (and I am personally giddy with excitement over SL), but we have to admit those things are pretty tough to sell in an age of already fast computers (faster), huge cheap storage (less space), already efficient (efficient), etc. etc.

    Plus it's going to be hard for a lot of end users to justify an upgrade to SL with all the economy stuff going on.

    I think it's obvious that it should not be free. I'm already sold that the work gone into it is massive. And we're not talking "things that should have already been in Leopard." We're talking major rewrites of various aspects of the OS from the kernel up.

    I'm happy to pay for the upgrade -- but I really don't think that valuation of SL at $129 is going to be feasible without "features" that they can actively sell to their larger-than-ever existing user base, especially in this economy.
  12. numbersyx macrumors 65816


    Sep 29, 2006
    We'll see. Not much in the way of features and a recession points to some reduction in price IMHO.
  13. BlizzardBomb macrumors 68030


    Jun 15, 2005
    Would be awesome if it was $99, but likely to be $129, which is OK if they redesign the UI and finally get round to putting in resolution independence.
  14. sidewinder macrumors 68020


    Dec 10, 2008
    Northern California
    The last time I checked, performance is a feature. People will spend hundreds of dollars on hardware to get relatively small gains in performance.

    I am not suggesting that everyone needs to go out an buy Snow Leopard when it comes out. Just don't sit back and suggest it should be free or cost very little because it doesn't have features you think one could use on the day of its release. That is what is ignorant.

  15. FoxyKaye macrumors 68000


    Jan 23, 2004
    Livermore, Terre d'Ange, Bas Lag, Gallifrey
    With Software Maintenance for our XServe, Snow Leopard will be "free" and I'll be grateful if it fixes the bugfest that's Leopard Server.

    For workstations, it will cost what it costs, and I'll probably be grateful as well.
  16. Beric macrumors 68020


    Jan 22, 2008
    Bay Area
    What "should" it cost? Around $30-$60. What *will* it cost? $129. And I wouldn't even consider it at that price. Especially as I have a Macbook with the GMA 950, and wouldn't get the graphics benefits, ect.
  17. Turmoil macrumors regular

    Jul 2, 2008
    bout $129. I'm looking forward to the upgrade.
  18. yoppie macrumors 6502a

    Oct 19, 2007
    It'll be $129.

    What will I do? I'll be staying with Leopard since the rumors are that the Core Duo MacBook will not be supported. :eek:

    Nah, I'll be getting a new mac. :)
  19. KingYaba macrumors 68040


    Aug 7, 2005
    Up the irons
    Free upgrade (with proof) for those who purchased Leopard.
  20. chrismacguy macrumors 68000

    Feb 13, 2009
    United Kingdom
    There should be a free upgrade for everyone whose purchased an intel mac with leopard installed (as this is where the benefits are) ... however, that would basically mean free! But the only time Apple released an OS X upgrade for free was 10.1, where 10.0 had less features than OS 9 , so they needed to do it to get people to switch from classic to X.
  21. Cromulent macrumors 603


    Oct 2, 2006
    The Land of Hope and Glory

    OpenCL is worth the upgrade on its own. Anyone claiming Snow Leopard has no new features is deluded.
  22. DoFoT9 macrumors P6


    Jun 11, 2007
    and more! SL is probably one of the more serious and needed updates, because finally the software is being utilised instead of purely using the speed of the hardware. eventually hardware will stop advancing so far and software will need to be increased. i think it is very noble of apple making this decision.
  23. KettyKrueger macrumors 6502a


    Feb 17, 2007
    Erm, depends on the final 'improvements' list.

    We know it won't cost more than Leopard and it certainly won't cost more than any Windows OS.

    I expect to pay £85 but in all honestly, I'd probably pay anything (dont listen Apple). It bugs me when I don't the latest version of anything :D
  24. numbersyx macrumors 65816


    Sep 29, 2006
    I think that's right. It will depend on the addition of "features". If it is a "speed" update with nothing new on the features side, I think even Apple would think about selling it at a reduced price.

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