how much faster?

[DoFoT9]

The intel graphics has never been discrete, always integrated, but now it is in the CPU. Discrete graphics means not integrated on the motherboard nor in the CPU, and discrete graphics have dedicated memory. Intel graphics will be good for most tasks, but for games and application which require a fast gpu, discrete would be a better option.
More than likely it will be similar to how it is now. 9400 (which is integrated on the motherboard) for most tasks and 9600 (discrete) for games, renderings, etc...

i am well aware of the terminology, trust me your post made no sense and jumped from integrated to discrete like a grey-hound chasing that rabbit thing haha.

which brings me back to my first inquiry - what GPU will be in the MBPs? i think they will turn to ATi tbh. 5870, 5850 or something along those lines.

Apple did decrease the pricing on this generation hardware from previous. Yet the price now is still the same as when released back in July. So if anything the next generation might be cheaper. As far as turbo boost, thanks for correcting me; last time I read about it was last summer.

so i guess maybe that trends indicate that maybe a slight price increase is upon us? i guess we wont know until they come out. no worries about the TB.

This seems like a good place for my first post

The integrated card in the new macbooks is likely to be the GMA HD which I believe is integrated with all of the mobile Arrandales.

This graphics solution performs anywhere from 10-30% better than the current 9400m setup does in the current macbooks, at least according to benchmarks. Still not great, but it will be a small step up.

welcome to MR! we hope you enjoy your stay

yes you're correct that the 4500MHD is integrated (in CPU as said above), for MBs your correct - but for MBPs we have no idea what will happen. will they keep the dual GPU up? who knows. 4500MHD + 5870 would nice REAL nice

 

[kny3twalker]

i am well aware of the terminology, trust me your post made no sense and jumped from integrated to discrete like a grey-hound chasing that rabbit thing haha.

which brings me back to my first inquiry - what GPU will be in the MBPs? i think they will turn to ATi tbh. 5870, 5850 or something along those lines.


so i guess maybe that trends indicate that maybe a slight price increase is upon us? i guess we wont know until they come out. no worries about the TB.

You are the one that brought up the 4800 series in the iMacs. How are you going to say what I posted made no sense?
You also claimed to be familiar but posting the wrong generation integrated graphics might be included in the next generation macbook even after I corrected you.

Remember?

Me:
It is the 5700 I believe. I know the 4500 is the older chip.
You:
yup this is apple though haha. the imacs only jus have the 4850!

WTF? just admit you were wrong about it. Reminds me of arguing with a woman.

Finally how would the previous price drop indicate a price rise on the next generation?
And you say I make no sense.

 

[DoFoT9]

You are the one that brought up the 4800 series in the iMacs. How are you going to say what I posted made no sense?
You also claimed to be familiar but posting the wrong generation integrated graphics might be included in the next generation macbook even after I corrected you.

Remember?


WTF? just admit you were wrong about it. Reminds me of arguing with a woman.

Finally how would the previous price drop indicate a price rise on the next generation?
And you say I make no sense.

it was this post::

The intel graphics has never been discrete, always integrated, but now it is in the CPU. Discrete graphics means not integrated on the motherboard nor in the CPU, and discrete graphics have dedicated memory. Intel graphics will be good for most tasks, but for games and application which require a fast gpu, discrete would be a better option.

that put me off. you first referred to the integrated graphics, then to the discrete graphics - idk, just got a little confused. i thought you were indicating that the discrete card was included on the CPU! haha.

i donno what you want me to admit im wrong about? i wasnt wrong in anything - i misread if thats what you want? i donno what pleasure you will get out of that....

and lastly, i said that based on what YOU SAID the current trends are, price drop, price rise, price drop. this is related to the tick tock trends of the Intel CPUs (and quite possibly GPUs). it would be logical to say that a price increase MAY be imminent.

 

[kny3twalker]

it was this post::

that put me off. you first referred to the integrated graphics, then to the discrete graphics - idk, just got a little confused. i thought you were indicating that the discrete card was included on the CPU! haha.

i donno what you want me to admit im wrong about? i wasnt wrong in anything - i misread if thats what you want? i donno what pleasure you will get out of that....

and lastly, i said that based on what YOU SAID the current trends are, price drop, price rise, price drop. this is related to the tick tock trends of the Intel CPUs (and quite possibly GPUs). it would be logical to say that a price increase MAY be imminent.

I did not ever refer to a price rise. I said the current generation have not dropped in price since release. The previous were more expensive.

As far as integrated/discrete, I introduced and defined both before stating their purpose. This is technically correct style.

As far as you being wrong, I said that because of this statement:

Me:
It is the 5700 I believe. I know the 4500 is the older chip.
You:
yup this is apple though haha. the imacs only jus have the 4850!

You still were trying to argue Apple might include the intel 4500 because they use the ATI 4850 in the iMacs. This is incorrect.

 

[DoFoT9]

I did not ever refer to a price rise. I said the current generation have not dropped in price since release. The previous were more expensive.

well we have no way of knowing then do we

As far as integrated/discrete, I introduced and defined both before stating their purpose. This is technically correct style.

i know that you did lol. i was hoping that i hadnt missed something (discrete being implemented into CPU as i said earlier), which it hadnt. yay im not dum.

As far as you being wrong, I said that because of this statement:

You still were trying to argue Apple might include the 4500 because they use the 4800 in the iMacs. This is incorrect.

do you know for a fact that they wont include the 4800 in the MBPs? im highly doubtful as you are - because there are newer GPUs. but look how long the 8600 was in for. and the x1900 in the MPs! would be really nice to inclue a 5**0 in the MBPs, but you never know with apple. why didnt they wait for the 5850's for the imacs? they were nearly out around that time...

 

[mikeo007]

welcome to MR! we hope you enjoy your stay

yes you're correct that the 4500MHD is integrated (in CPU as said above), for MBs your correct - but for MBPs we have no idea what will happen. will they keep the dual GPU up? who knows. 4500MHD + 5870 would nice REAL nice

Hello, and thank you . After taking a closer look, I think the integrated video adapter may actually be the newer intel GMA 5700MHD (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Graphics-Media-Accelerator-HD.23065.0.html). It seems to be the one that is included with all of intel's i-series chipsets. I think it will be the baseline graphics solution for all macbooks, however I would like to see ALL MBPs come with discrete graphics solutions as well, including the 13".

I suppose it's also possible that Apple could produce/source their own chipset, eliminating the GMA all together, but I think that if this were the case, we'd be waiting quite a while for a macbook refresh.

Either way, I'd like to see a stronger showing from the baseline macbook. I only need a mac because my school requires it, and I'm sure many others are in the same boat for one reason or another. It would be nice to see more options for a no-frills macbook (both 13" and 15"). I suppose only time will tell, but it seems like Apple is moving away from the basic macbook altogether.

 

[kny3twalker]

well we have no way of knowing then do we


i know that you did lol. i was hoping that i hadnt missed something (discrete being implemented into CPU as i said earlier), which it hadnt. yay im not dum.


do you know for a fact that they wont include the 4800 in the MBPs? im highly doubtful as you are - because there are newer GPUs. but look how long the 8600 was in for. and the x1900 in the MPs! would be really nice to inclue a 5**0 in the MBPs, but you never know with apple. why didnt they wait for the 5850's for the imacs? they were nearly out around that time...

I think I understand where the confusion is. When I said it will the 5700 as the 4500 is the older chip, I was referring to intel graphics not ati or nvidia.
You still though need to read more carefully.