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The thing is, 16 vs 24 may or may not make any difference today, while you're on Tahoe or Golden Gate. What about 3 years down the line? What about 6, 7 years down the line? 32 gb will likely cover you for a good 5-7 years, whereas 16 gb might start to show its age in max 2-3 years. And buying a whole new Mac after 3-4 years will be hell of a lot more expensive than buying 24-32 gb ram right now.
It’s been 6 years since the M1 and down the line never came. Future proofing is not a thing anymore. My M1 Max Studio still pounds and it’s been 4 years since getting it.

As I said above, ram is a non issue with SoC like it is on x86-64. And even then, I don’t really feel the 32GB on my PC as most of the demand has now been offloaded to the GPU and its vram.
 
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It’s been 6 years since the M1 and down the line never came. Future proofing is not a thing anymore. My M1 Max Studio still pounds and it’s been 4 years since getting it.

As I said above, ram is a non issue with SoC like it is on x86-64. And even then, I don’t really feel the 32GB on my PC as most of the demand has now been offloaded to the GPU and its vram.
8 gb Macs especially from 6 years ago are not usable today except for anything extremely basic.

M1 Max is practically closer to a M4/M5 that's why you're happy with it. A base M1 with 8 gb ram would have been 10x worse.
 
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I think you'd do fine with either 24 or 32 GB of RAM, honestly. You don't seem to push the hardware that much with your usage, and like someone else said, storage can always be upgraded later with an external SSD. Personally, I went for 24GB/1TB for my machine as sort of a "sweet spot" between future-proofing and expense. So far the memory pressure is so barely visible in Activity Monitor that I don't even check it anymore.
 
It’s been 6 years since the M1 and down the line never came. Future proofing is not a thing anymore. My M1 Max Studio still pounds and it’s been 4 years since getting it.

As I said above, ram is a non issue with SoC like it is on x86-64. And even then, I don’t really feel the 32GB on my PC as most of the demand has now been offloaded to the GPU and its vram.
Future-proofing is most definitely "a thing" since prices are surging and don't look like they're coming back down anytime soon. In fact, some are saying it'll get worse.
 
For what it is worth, my view is, for RAM buy as much as you can afford. The minimum I would recommend is 16GB, but the only penalty you pay for getting too little is time, not the app crashing and failing to work (disk swapping is the savior). In the end it is your money.

I have machines with memory from 8GB (a Neo) to 64GB (M1 Max, 16" MBPro and a M4 Pro Mac Mini) and the only difference is how much time I want to wait for something to be done. I run everything from DxO Photolabs 9, Logic Pro, FCP, LRc to MS Office with very large spreadsheets. And I avoid the Neo for some because it can become bogged down on large projects, but the 16GB machines end up have no issues running the apps and projects, they just take longer. I more often run out of space on the working drive than I have serious issues with RAM.

Today it is all a matter of time. If you are using the machine professionally, then time is money and you should simply decided what you can afford and get it. For personal use it is more nuanced. I am amazed how well my M5 MBA with 16GB and 512GB disk space works on even the most complex projects. If I am in a hurry I move to my M1 Max 16" MBPro or M4 Pro Mac mini (which also has 2 x 5K monitors which is one of the major reasons to use it).

Anyway, I am sure you will work it out and be happy with your choice. It is all about comfort factors and time. You know how much money is right and how much is too much. Remember it will be out of date in a couple years whichever system you choose. Cynical? Yes. Pragmatic? Yes.
 
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For what it is worth, my view is, for RAM buy as much as you can afford. The minimum I would recommend is 16GB, but the only penalty you pay for getting too little is time, not the app crashing and failing to work (disk swapping is the savior). In the end it is your money.
Disk swapping huh. Like you quickly swap out the SSD? 😂

This thread is just too much. Buy 300TB! You never know!
 
Disk swapping huh. Like you quickly swap out the SSD? 😂

I am assuming you are jesting and know what disk swapping is (I was around when shuffling data to disk was called disk swapping (I am sure you do not need this to be said) not swapping out the hardware 😂), but just making sure. Difficult to tell when we cannot see each other...... A good joke if that is what was intended....
This thread is just too much. Buy 300TB! You never know!
Yes, you are correct. The thread is a little too much.
 
8 gb Macs especially from 6 years ago are not usable today except for anything extremely basic.
I beg to differ. While 8 GB RAM may not be comfortable or practical for heavier video editing, larger Logic Pro projects and certainly not for local AI or virtual machines, it can still do a surprising number of things, including document editing, photo editing and light video work. I'm still using a MacBook Air M1 model from 2020 with 8 GB of RAM on the Golden Gate beta, and it does all that.

I wouldn't depend on it for a "pro" workflow that requires speed and high performance. However, I wouldn't say it's "not usable today" like you said, though.

Even Intel Macs still work for certain uses. Just because they're old does not mean they're incapable.
 
Don't listen to anyone here, OP. You know in your heart of hearts that use cases be damned, you want an M5 Ultra with 512GB memory and 8TB SSD. Just lease it. Live like there's no tomorrow, baby! With that beast, you can sleep like a baby at night knowing there isn't a thing on planet Earth that you can't accomplish... yesterday, today, or tomorrow... you'll be all set. And no need to worry about re-sale value, just trade it in for an M8 Ultra when the lease is up. 😉

When I'm not running local LLMs or multiple VMs, my M5 Max MBP 64GB feels no different than my wife's M4 Air 16GB with most of the tasks you mention and day-to-day productivity. If your songs and videos and photo editing aren't particularly sophisticated you don't need 32GB. Ripping movies/CDs mainly depend on the speed of your drive (I have a Panasonic Blu-ray read/write and rips movies at 8X and audio CDs at 24X drive speeds on my MBP or wife's MBA - processor cores and memory make no difference). I haven't used an Excel or Word or PowerPoint large/complex enough (biggest files I work with ~50,000 rows / ~525 slides) to see a difference between my MBP and wife's Air. Loading large files quicker is really the only difference and that's mainly due to my MBP's SSD being roughly 4X faster than her Air (12,228MB/s read vs 2,858MB/s read).

As to future-proofing, upgraded wife's 2015 Intel MBP 2.8Ghz 4-core 16GB 1TB SSD macOS Monterey (could run Sequoia with OCLP) in January and only because she knocked it off the kitchen table and I didn't want to replace the screen again (2 screens, 3 batteries, 10 1/2 years). In all those years, it never got slower as far as macOS was concerned. She was even cranking out a bunch of AI-generated videos for fun last December and it would knock them out in a reasonable amount of time (she was floored at how much faster her new M4 Air was and wondered why she didn't upgrade sooner, and believe me, I had been trying to get her to accept an upgrade since M2 days). Anyhow, all this to say, Apple Silicon memory doesn't use magic or special unicorn DNA, but it is super efficient with memory. If a 2015 Intel MBP can still be capable of pretty much all your use cases after 10 years, I am very confident an M6 16GB 512GB mini will be good for 7-10 years. And if your needs change in say 2 or 3 years, you'll get decent trade in value and can buy the future model with the memory and storage you need, when you finally need it.

Or... succumb to the FOMO/YOLO tug of the universe like I did and buy something wildly more powerful than you currently need. 🙂
 
8 gb Macs especially from 6 years ago are not usable today except for anything extremely basic.

M1 Max is practically closer to a M4/M5 that's why you're happy with it. A base M1 with 8 gb ram would have been 10x worse.
Hmm. So the MacBook Neo is not usable today?
 
8 gb Macs especially from 6 years ago are not usable today except for anything extremely basic.

M1 Max is practically closer to a M4/M5 that's why you're happy with it. A base M1 with 8 gb ram would have been 10x worse.
Hmm. So the MacBook Neo is not usable today?
 
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