How much space does iCloud Photos optimization save?

Truthfulie

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Currently I have the setting set to original. How much space does the optimization save and how compressed/optimized are they? Also, how is the speed of viewing them through iCloud Drive?
 

flashflooder

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If you have it set to original, it's not going to save you anything because you're keeping local copies of everything. You want to switch it to "Optimize iPhone Storage" to get space savings.

That said, I enabled the setting last week sometime and so far it has only uploaded 15GB of my ~30GB library, but it has given me back about 11GB of local storage space.
 

tosbsas

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but beware - you can't send any picture without having some kind of internet access to be able to download the original from icloud library.

That's the hassle here

Ruben
 

FreeState

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If you have it set to original, it's not going to save you anything because you're keeping local copies of everything. You want to switch it to "Optimize iPhone Storage" to get space savings.

That said, I enabled the setting last week sometime and so far it has only uploaded 15GB of my ~30GB library, but it has given me back about 11GB of local storage space.
Is the library on your phone to begin with or did you find a way to upload them from iPhoto or Aperture?
 

flashflooder

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but beware - you can't send any picture without having some kind of internet access to be able to download the original from icloud library.

That's the hassle here

Ruben
you can't really send a picture period if you don't have internet access, Cloud library or not

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Is the library on your phone to begin with or did you find a way to upload them from iPhoto or Aperture?
I've had the option in "Photos" within the Settings app since upgrading to 8.0.2

I can't really figure out how or when it's uploading my photos & videos, it just seems to do so in spurts. Right now it takes forever to download pics and videos that have been uploaded, but I suspect (hope} it's because I'm still uploading my library.
 

BrettDS

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My wife has 27G of photos in her IPL. Her iPad is configured to optimize space and photos takes up a bit less than 2G on that device.
 

Truthfulie

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My wife has 27G of photos in her IPL. Her iPad is configured to optimize space and photos takes up a bit less than 2G on that device.
That seems bit unrealistic even with the optimization. Is she able to view the photos without internet connection? Sounds like she might have just the thumbnails of the photo, but not the actual photos themselves.

So it seems like the optimization saves quite a bit of space on your phone. Does this mean there are no photos on your device? (Just the thumbnails) Or does lower-res version remain? The word optimization had me thinking it it's the latter but is it the former?
 
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BrettDS

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That seems bit unrealistic even with the optimization. Is she able to view the photos without internet connection? Sounds like she might have just the thumbnails of the photo, but not the actual photos themselves.

The optimized photos are little more than thumbnails. If you try to view a photo it will pull the full version down from the cloud within a few seconds, but before that point you can see that it's definitely very low resolution.
 

tosbsas

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you can't really send a picture period if you don't have internet access, Cloud library or not

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Ups - must have been asleep when posting this - you are right of course


But I got one more - what happens when you change form optimized to complete or vice versa with the ones already on the device. Will they be worked on again?
 

Ries

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That seems bit unrealistic even with the optimization. Is she able to view the photos without internet connection? Sounds like she might have just the thumbnails of the photo, but not the actual photos themselves.
my guess would be, that the images are scaled down to around the screen resolution. So 720p or 1080p ish.
 

Truthfulie

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The optimized photos are little more than thumbnails. If you try to view a photo it will pull the full version down from the cloud within a few seconds, but before that point you can see that it's definitely very low resolution.
That makes sense. How slow/fast are the loading times for typical 8MP image? I eventually want to move most if not all my photos to the cloud to free space on devices.
 

BrettDS

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you can't really send a picture period if you don't have internet access, Cloud library or not

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Ups - must have been asleep when posting this - you are right of course


But I got one more - what happens when you change form optimized to complete or vice versa with the ones already on the device. Will they be worked on again?



My wife changed her phone from optimized to complete and it downloaded all 27G of photos to her phone. I think it took a day or two before it was done, but when I checked a few days after she changed the setting I could see that space usage of photos on her phone had gone up from 2G to 27G and when I spot checked a number of photos from a range of different dates they all opened with no download from the cloud.

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That makes sense. How slow/fast are the loading times for typical 8MP image? I eventually want to move most if not all my photos to the cloud to free space on devices.

Obviously this depends on your network speed, but from what I've seen maybe 3-5 seconds. You get a little progress circle in the lower right (similar to what you see when apps are being installed) as it downloads the full version.
 

Truthfulie

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Obviously this depends on your network speed, but from what I've seen maybe 3-5 seconds. You get a little progress circle in the lower right (similar to what you see when apps are being installed) as it downloads the full version.
Thanks for the info! I wish they could shave few seconds off when it is out of beta. About 1-2 seconds would be ideal in my opinion. Also I imagine there wouldn't be any option to clear cache for these "downloaded" images similar to how iTunes Match works.
 

BrettDS

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Thanks for the info! I wish they could shave few seconds off when it is out of beta. About 1-2 seconds would be ideal in my opinion. Also I imagine there wouldn't be any option to clear cache for these "downloaded" images similar to how iTunes Match works.

Honestly, like I said, the download time is primarily going to depend on your internet connection speed. .JPG files are already compressed and it can only get that data to you as fast as your network allows. There's nothing Apple can do to speed it up that wouldn't involve loss of image quality.

I've tried to figure out how long it keeps the full version of photos that you do access on a device configured for space optimization and so far I really have no idea. I'm not sure if it will do it kind of like photo stream where it will keep them for a certain number of days with a limit on the maximum number of photos or what.
 

Truthfulie

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Honestly, like I said, the download time is primarily going to depend on your internet connection speed. .JPG files are already compressed and it can only get that data to you as fast as your network allows. There's nothing Apple can do to speed it up that wouldn't involve loss of image quality.
Of course, but state of Apple's server will also play half of the role when one attempts to download the pictures. Reason why I asked about the speed in the first place is because a friend of mine had told me that download was very slow despite of his fast connection. Regardless, I'll have to wait until Yosemite and proper release of Photos for Mac in order to utilize this feature to the fullest. Basically I want to be able to store/view pictures I've taken with my mirrorless as well as iPhone in one place, iCloud. But that will have to wait until OS X app I guess.
 

gsmornot

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I have optimize photos selected and nothing happens. The photos are still taking the same amount of space on the device and all photos load in full resolution no matter my internet connection. So for me, I don't really have an option to reduce size on my device. Anyone else have this issue?
 

flashflooder

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I have optimize photos selected and nothing happens. The photos are still taking the same amount of space on the device and all photos load in full resolution no matter my internet connection. So for me, I don't really have an option to reduce size on my device. Anyone else have this issue?
Just leave it on for a few days, it will slowly start uploading/optimizing your library. I've had mine on for about a week now and it's gotten through 15GB of my 30GB library. Doesn't seem to be any real rhyme or reason as to when it chooses to upload.
 

pratax2

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Does it take space from your iCloud account or it is "free"? I imagine that you are paying for extra storage if you upload 27GB of photos...
Am I the only one complaining about the Ridiculous 5GB free space?
 

BrettDS

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Does it take space from your iCloud account or it is "free"? I imagine that you are paying for extra storage if you upload 27GB of photos...
Am I the only one complaining about the Ridiculous 5GB free space?

Unlike photo stream IPL does take iCloud space. 5G isn't much, but the new pricing structure is more reasonable
 

AxoNeuron

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If you don't have over 5 gigs of photos, and you have a reliable and consistent Internet connection at almost all times, then I would turn on the optimization.
 

SoloStyle

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So let's say I have it set to Optimize, and I download a photo to view or send to someone. Will the HQ photo stay local on the device from then on, or will it revert back to the optimized version if not accessed within a certain period of time, say 24 hours or so?
 

SluGuru

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The optimized photos are little more than thumbnails. If you try to view a photo it will pull the full version down from the cloud within a few seconds, but before that point you can see that it's definitely very low resolution.
Once you look at it does it then save a copy on the phone kind of like iTunes in The Cloud or ITunes Match?
 
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