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silvermacpro

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How much will it cost this configuration new mac pro 7.1 with the AMD Radeon W5700X in USD:

3.5GHz 8‑core Intel Xeon W processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz
32GB (4x8GB) of DDR4 ECC memory
1TB SSD storage
One AMD Radeon Pro W5700X
Stainless steel frame with feet
Magic Mouse 2
Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad - US English
Accessory Kit

Thank you in advance
 

chfilm

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Why don’t you go to the US website and check it out for yourself? About the WX5700 people are guessing about 1000$ as far as I know.
 

gazwas

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I'm teetering on the edge of ordering a 16 core MacPro and this GPU has me dithering about what to do.

Is the 580X a terrible card for FCPX and Capture One use and will the 5700X be light years better?

With the 5700X being a full height card with extra ports/capabilities over the half height 580X, it sounds like an expensive upgrade (£1500 range?) and is it going to be that much better?
 

chfilm

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I'm teetering on the edge of ordering a 16 core MacPro and this GPU has me dithering about what to do.

Is the 580X a terrible card for FCPX and Capture One use and will the 5700X be light years better?

With the 5700X being a full height card with extra ports/capabilities over the half height 580X, it sounds like an expensive upgrade (£1500 range?) and is it going to be that much better?
I think it is gonna be indeed lightyears better.
Also don't forget about the 4 additional Thunderbolt 3 ports that you'll get with that card.. It should really not be a lot more than 1000$. 1500 would be too much I think.
 
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sfwalter

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Looks like the consumer version will sell for around $800 retail so I'm guessing $1200-1500 for an MPX module version. I'm waiting for the 5700X to order with a 12 core Mac Pro.
 
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gazwas

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Looks like the consumer version will sell for around $800 retail so I'm guessing $1200-1500 for an MPX module version. I'm waiting for the 5700X to order with a 12 core Mac Pro.
1200 to 1500 is what I estimate as a full size MPX module.

if apple offer this as a stand alone Off the shelf GPU upgrade can it be used along size the 580x if I find need a better performing GPU down the line or do they have to be in same pairs?
 

bsbeamer

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Sapphire Pulse RX 580 8GB in Mojave is around 15-20% faster in METAL in benchmarks compared to Sapphire Pulse RX 5700 XT 8GB in Catalina.

Sapphire Pulse RX 580 8GB is around 33% faster in METAL in real word performance tests compared to Sapphire Pulse RX 5700 XT 8GB.

Would assume the 580X vs 5700X is a SIMILAR comparison for right now, until the drivers are fixed/addressed in Catalina.
 
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gazwas

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Have I understood you correctly that in Metal the 580 8GB is faster than the 5700 8GB card?
 

bsbeamer

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Have I understood you correctly that in Metal the 580 8GB is faster than the 5700 8GB card?

Correct, but tested with the RX 5700 XT 8GB, which should be even faster than the non XT version. The drivers just do not seem to be optimized at all.

Would not recommend anyone purchase a 5XXX series AMD GPU until this is addressed. Quite literally a sub $175 GPU from 2-3 years ago works at least 15% better.
 
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gazwas

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The drivers just do not seem to be optimized at all.
I thought Apple and terrible GPU drivers were a thing of the past. :rolleyes:

So the 580X seems like the better option for the foreseeable future in the Mac Pro unless you can justify the costly Vega’s.
 

bsbeamer

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That's what I would recommend, but will say Apple will NEED to address the W5700X drivers before it's available. At this point, I'm guessing late January 2020 and timed to either a 10.15.3 release or security update for 10.15.2 that magically includes fixed drivers will be released. Can't really charge $1K+ for a GPU and have it test to ~15-20% lower on benchmarks compared to entry level. I mean they could, but...
 
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gazwas

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At this point, I'm guessing late January 2020 and timed to either a 10.15.3 release or security update for 10.15.2 that magically includes fixed drivers will be released.
Apple with the Mac Pro continues to make many of us wait even longer before ordering it would seem.
 

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I think the Vega 56 in the iMac Pro is better than the 580X offered in the new Mac Pro.

I didn't think the RX5700 is that much better than the RX580X...
 

MaxYuryev

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I’m fairy confident that Apple will have drivers solved by the time they release it, or most likely the release of the W5700XT will be when the drivers are updated. In an eGPU the 5700XT was outperforming the Vega 64 in our video editing tests and even the Radeon VII in some of the tests including Blender Benchmark (by just a tiny bit).

I’m fairly confident that it will SMOKE the 580. I compared the 2019 5K iMac’s Vega 48 to my 2017 5K iMacs 580 8GB and it was no not even close in terms of video editing, gaming, and 3D. And as I said the 5700XT beat out the Vega 64 in our tests which is faster than the 56 and

When AMD released the 5700 series they discontinued the Radeon VII because the 5700XT was faster in a lot of ways (not all) and cost $400 instead of $700, and the $2400 Vega II that’s in my 2019 MacPro is basically a Radeon VII with 6% more compute cores and double the memory.

Yes the 5700 has less compute units but they are a lot faster and more efficient. I’m really excited for this option and if it comes in at $1500 or less I think it will be a much better option for most compared to Vega II.

That should be especially true for video editors and those dealing with high Rez footage. The Vega II has the same outdated video engine that AMD has been making since 2016 with no 10bit hardware encoding and limited HEVC decoding.

The new Navi lineup finally is updated and can encoding 4K h.264 at to 150FPS which the currents graphics go up to 60FPS so that means exporting videos at more than twice as fast. Right now when I’m exporting h.264 my 12 core CPU is sitting at 10% or so usage and Vega II graphics at 15-20% because the bottleneck is the encoder. It’s still fast but will be much better.

Dealing with HDR video currently takes forever since there is no hardware encoder so even with the 12 core it takes about 35 min for a 5 min project. That should go down to less than 3min if Apple supports it. The W5700 will also be able to decode 8K video at 24FPS.

I’m personally REALLY looking forward to that GPU.
 

goMac

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My guess is it will be $1000 upgrade at order time. A bit more as an individual kit.

Of course I thought Vega 2 would be that cheap so who knows. But it should certainly not be priced near Vega 2. It has half the memory, and the memory is DDR6.

I also wonder if Apple will eventually dump the 580 in favor of a 5500 XT. It’s about the same performance, and would bring more order to the lineup. Not right away though. They have 580s to clear out.
 

gazwas

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@MaxYuryev Great reply, thanks Max and really helpful discussion in general. ?

Really hoping Apple get the pricing right on this GPU for us waiting to order their Mac Pro’s.
 

chfilm

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I’m fairy confident that Apple will have drivers solved by the time they release it, or most likely the release of the W5700XT will be when the drivers are updated. In an eGPU the 5700XT was outperforming the Vega 64 in our video editing tests and even the Radeon VII in some of the tests including Blender Benchmark (by just a tiny bit).

I’m fairly confident that it will SMOKE the 580. I compared the 2019 5K iMac’s Vega 48 to my 2017 5K iMacs 580 8GB and it was no not even close in terms of video editing, gaming, and 3D. And as I said the 5700XT beat out the Vega 64 in our tests which is faster than the 56 and

When AMD released the 5700 series they discontinued the Radeon VII because the 5700XT was faster in a lot of ways (not all) and cost $400 instead of $700, and the $2400 Vega II that’s in my 2019 MacPro is basically a Radeon VII with 6% more compute cores and double the memory.

Yes the 5700 has less compute units but they are a lot faster and more efficient. I’m really excited for this option and if it comes in at $1500 or less I think it will be a much better option for most compared to Vega II.

That should be especially true for video editors and those dealing with high Rez footage. The Vega II has the same outdated video engine that AMD has been making since 2016 with no 10bit hardware encoding and limited HEVC decoding.

The new Navi lineup finally is updated and can encoding 4K h.264 at to 150FPS which the currents graphics go up to 60FPS so that means exporting videos at more than twice as fast. Right now when I’m exporting h.264 my 12 core CPU is sitting at 10% or so usage and Vega II graphics at 15-20% because the bottleneck is the encoder. It’s still fast but will be much better.

Dealing with HDR video currently takes forever since there is no hardware encoder so even with the 12 core it takes about 35 min for a 5 min project. That should go down to less than 3min if Apple supports it. The W5700 will also be able to decode 8K video at 24FPS.

I’m personally REALLY looking forward to that GPU.
When it becomes available, please make a test on how it behaves in conjunction with a Vega II.
I absolutely agree with you about the improvements for us video editors, and have the single Vega and am considering the upgrade path already- adding a second Vega eventually because of Infinity fabric and more VRam, or maybe just ignore those two features and go with a w5700 for the aforementioned improvements, and attach one display to each card...
 

bsbeamer

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W5700X is showing up in GB5 METAL results:

AMD Radeon Pro W5700X: 47557
AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT: 41971

Screen Shot 2020-01-03 at 5.30.32 PM.png

Literally JUST tested METAL with MBP16,1 and RX 5700 XT in eGPU and getting ~65000, so take those scores with a grain of salt:

 
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