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GPU performance should be 40% better, which is pretty significant.
ddr4 ram shouldn't be limited to 16gb in laptops

Broadwell should take a large slice out of power consumption. It also won't run as hot. There are some other things that Apple could do to drastically improve battery life (like 40% better) as well, such as using an IGZO display.
>16gb ram are pointless for 99% of users. Gpu power will not increase by 40%.
There will not be a 40% battery improvement either, because there will be no iGZO screen.
The rmbp are all reduced in price right now. Best time to buy!
 
>16gb ram are pointless for 99% of users. Gpu power will not increase by 40%.
There will not be a 40% battery improvement either, because there will be no iGZO screen.
The rmbp are all reduced in price right now. Best time to buy!

And I remember 512mb of ram being overkill at one point too. IGZO has been expected for a while, they just put it in the iPad, I'm not sure what makes you think they wouldn't put it in the macbook. It would use 50% less power than the current retina display. Broadwell uses 30% less power than haswell, LPDDR4 uses 40% less power than LPDDR3 and is going to be about 40-50% faster. Broadwell GPU expecting a 40% performance boost over Haswell, which will also translate to better battery life.

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If I remember, the Apple graphic cards have DDR5 not DDR3, not sure how much boost that is to gaming.

GDDR5 is the standard for Graphics memory. Pretty much all current graphics cards use it. It's different than DDR3 which is the current RAM standard.
 
And I remember 512mb of ram being overkill at one point too. IGZO has been expected for a while, they just put it in the iPad, I'm not sure what makes you think they wouldn't put it in the macbook. It would use 50% less power than the current retina display. Broadwell uses 30% less power than haswell, LPDDR4 uses 40% less power than LPDDR3 and is going to be about 40-50% faster. Broadwell GPU expecting a 40% performance boost over Haswell, which will also translate to better battery life.

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GDDR5 is the standard for Graphics memory. Pretty much all current graphics cards use it. It's different than DDR3 which is the current RAM standard.


I remember when the 2012 MacBook Pro arrived it was the only laptop with GDDR5 configuration, hence the thought.
 
And I remember 512mb of ram being overkill at one point too. I'm not sure what makes you think they wouldn't put it in the macbook. It would use 50% less power than the current retina display. Broadwell uses 30% less power than haswell.
i remember 8mb ram being utter overkill. Anything was overkill at one point or another... and ..?

All your mentioned updates will come, but not in fall.
 
What I dislike about the current rMBP is that the resolution is of course great, but OS X displays everything pretty large. It'll show as much desktop as a regular MacBook Air with a standard 1440-pixel-wide screen.

I know you can scale the display, but I've understood performance then suffers.

However I'm not a regular rMBP user so perhaps someone can correct me here.
 
What I dislike about the current rMBP is that the resolution is of course great, but OS X displays everything pretty large. It'll show as much desktop as a regular MacBook Air with a standard 1440-pixel-wide screen.

I know you can scale the display, but I've understood performance then suffers.

However I'm not a regular rMBP user so perhaps someone can correct me here.

I believe in the earlier retina models performance did lag when scaling. I have the late 2013 and I have seen zero performance issues when scaling the display. I am one of the few who actually prefer the default retina resolution. When I need more than one main window open I will scale it, but for most of my use, I prefer the larger text and such.
 
>16gb ram are pointless for 99% of users. Gpu power will not increase by 40%.
There will not be a 40% battery improvement either, because there will be no iGZO screen.
The rmbp are all reduced in price right now. Best time to buy!
...All your mentioned updates will come, but not in fall.

These are all good buyer guidelines! Think I'm going to go with the 15'' 2012 baseline just to have that 650M for the lower price of a refurb model (~$1600 belive). I dont see any cruicial differences between the 2012 and 2013 model, so hopefully it'll be a good buy.
Also $100 off apple care is nice with the edu discount :D
 
These are all good buyer guidelines! Think I'm going to go with the 15'' 2012 baseline just to have that 650M for the lower price of a refurb model (~$1600 belive). I dont see any cruicial differences between the 2012 and 2013 model, so hopefully it'll be a good buy.
Also $100 off apple care is nice with the edu discount :D

That's smart, I didn't realize you could put the 100 towards Apple care..
 
These are all good buyer guidelines! Think I'm going to go with the 15'' 2012 baseline just to have that 650M for the lower price of a refurb model (~$1600 belive). I dont see any cruicial differences between the 2012 and 2013 model, so hopefully it'll be a good buy.
Also $100 off apple care is nice with the edu discount :D

Do you not get 3 years free Applecare with Edu purchases online like the UK?
 
Do you not get 3 years free Applecare with Edu purchases online like the UK?

If you want apple care you have to buy it. I think it might be $330 for 15'' rMBP and if you buy refurbished in the edu store then you get a discount to like $250 around there. Apple care is definitely not free though.

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That's smart, I didn't realize you could put the 100 towards Apple care..

Yeah I know! It's awesome!
 
If you want apple care you have to buy it. I think it might be $330 for 15'' rMBP and if you buy refurbished in the edu store then you get a discount to like $250 around there. Apple care is definitely not free though.

Oh that sucks, it's free in the UK.

Just remember you'd obviously have to wait until after the purchase to get Applecare as you can't use the gift card in the transaction it comes from.
 
I've personally been thinking of getting a second hand mid 2012 or early 2013 machine in the Autumn as the meager Radeon 6490M in my current machine is beginning to show that it wasn't all that ho-hum even when it was new. Not to mention those external GPU setups I was thinking would materialize in a year or two never actually materializing unless you count ones that require you to install Windows (which I still think beats the point of having a mac) and cost a fortune.

Seriously thou, a 650M or or a 750M is good enough for most games unless you want to run them using really high settings. As for the future, I don't think games will get all that much more graphically intensive considering even console manufacturers decided that we didn't need another set of super powerhouses, but rather something that's easy to develop for and slightly faster than what we had before.
 
8 GB will not be outdated for at least 4-5 years. 2GB was not enough even back in 2010.

I thought 8GB was not enough for some games. Like when I tried to open Total War game, it crashed to desktop screen I was not sure if it has to do with 8GB?
I was able to play games very well on a Windows 7 desktop with only 2GB. I could be wrong about rMBP. :apple:
 
I would buy now. Heck, I did buy a month or so ago and love my rMBP. It's a beast and I'll get several years out of it. Broadwell, Shmoadwell. Whatever. I'm just enjoying my machine. And that's that.

Waiting on computer or tablet purchases is just pointless.
 
Depending upon workload or software being used 8GB is the bare minimal I'd recommend on a new Mac/PC, however if you do CAD/audio work more RAM gives extra headroom. On my 2012 cMBP I bought it when RAM prices were cheap so 16GB splurge was >$75, highest usage I ever hit with Logic X+12 virtual/midi instruments+plug-ins was 10GB of RAM usage(Mountain Lion, never installed Mavericks)

I find it hard to believe there are games that require 8gb. Games benefit from Vram, not system ram.

If someone is using a system with Intel Graphics there is overhead if it pulls more system RAM for textures, I had to bump my old 2010 MBP to 8GB as the nVidia 320M pulled 256mb at bootup yet when you ran any games(ex: Cities In Motion & Civilization V) it would max out at 384mb for IGP usage(4GB was barely enough)--I was using an external monitor so it may have played a slight factor. With 2012 Intel HD 4000 13" & 13"/15" 2013 Iris on Mavericks you're looking at 1GB of RAM being set aside for IGP usage. Many newer games expect your IGP/dGPU will have 1GB VRAM.
 
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