How the G5 Shouda! been

[daveg5]

Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
that would be awesome! it would be really cool if they could do that for all of the computers in their product line somehow.

i have an idea for a 3rd party company to make a battery for the powerbooks that not only goes in the place of the powerbook battery, but also somehow covers the whole bottom to make the battery life a lot longer. is that possible? sorry, i've been running around all day😛

if it could give and get power thru the firewire port that would be awesome

 

[daveg5]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
You know how much heat an optical drive can kick off when it gets going? there's no way... Remember that heat is still conducted between the partitions, they're not entirely independent... and this would affect airflow signifigantly as well...

pnw

may biege g3 has 2 optocal drive a zip and floppy and 2 hardrives and all pci slots filled and is stable and relatively cool and quiet with just 2 fans

 

[daveg5]

2-4 is better then 1-2

Originally posted by snahabed
I fail to understand why people are opposed to a FW external drive. I have one and it is fantastic. Plus, it will outlast my CPU and I can use it with my Powerbook, and my friends can use it with their PC laptops with firewire cards.

I would just like more hard drive space... just because I would LOVE for space to be so cheap that I could just mount disc images of my DVD's and have uncompressed AIFFs in iTunes... and never have to deal with discs again! As it stands, I cannot bear to re-rip into AAC, knowing that when the successor comes out, I'll have to re-rip again... My mentality now is, wait for a few years when a 10TB hard drive is a reality 🙂
we are not opposed towers are meant to have everything in one place as far as drives are concerened , right know the bpowermacs only have one more hard drive then an imac, and the same opticle drives it was 2 optical and 4 hard, so people should be upset as firewire devices are as much as a hundred dollars more per item. then thiers cable clutter and extra power cords. not only that 4 hard drive 4 10000 raptors or 4 300 GB drives in one place will add more speed or storage to the machine, and 2 optical drives makes burning a cd while watching a dvd possible along with a host of other time saving productive things.

So yeah, the more hard drive, the better, but another internal optical? Waste of space and money.

 

[daveg5]

Originally posted by patrick0brien
-Hmm

I count 5 heat zones in that design - don't forget the Power supply zone in the base.

I've never understood the need for two internal optical drives. Heck! They were introduced in Macs only last year.

Now before anyone feels affronted, I want to point out the language of that sentence - think like an attorney. I said "need" - do you really have a "need" for two "internal" opticals? Or is it just a nice-to-have. I'll let you answer that for yourself - not my place there.

Methinks there are bigger fish to fry.

dont forget the older powermacs with 4 51/4 bays and enought room and power for 6 or more drives and 6 pci slots, easy open case

 

[junior]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
Dual drives were only important when they didn't make a combo DVD/CD-R burner. Now we have DVD burners that do it all. And what's the difference between 32X and 52X... 10 seconds?

Tell us all the incredible equation you used to get this 10 second theory.🙄

 

[AngryAngel]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
Dual drives were only important when they didn't make a combo DVD/CD-R burner. Now we have DVD burners that do it all. And what's the difference between 32X and 52X... 10 seconds?

I don't care what the difference between 32x and 52x is, because the 4x SuperDrive in the G5 is a 16x CD-R burner.

 

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
And what's the difference between 32X and 52X... 10 seconds?

-NavyIntel007

And I find too often that burning an audio disk at Maximum speed too often causes it to be unplayable in some CD players. Yes, this is due to the media, but I'm not going ut of my way to find 32x rated CD-R's and pay more for them so that I can shave 12 minutes off of my 15 minute burn time at 4x. I just don't need it that quickly.

To me, expending that much energy for an incremental improvement is like standing in front of the microwave yelling "Faster! Faster!" - am I really that impatient?

 

[NavyIntel007]

Originally posted by junior
Tell us all the incredible equation you used to get this 10 second theory.🙄

Oh I'm sorry a whole 30 seconds for a 60 minute disk... Good lord... if you can't wait a whole 30 seconds then maybe you need to lay off the speed for a while.

edit: as for the 5 PCI slots I'm sure Apple did some market research and found that many Apple users only use three of those four or five they had on their old G4's. They probably also found that people were either not putting more than two drives in (and with storage on its way upward there's really no reason to have more) or installing a second disk drive (either that or buying third party which apple makes $0 on). So why spend the extra money and have to charge more for extra slots, sensors and fans that people just won't ever use.

You have 8GB of RAM!!!! and the unicorn, the elanore... The G5 and yet you still aren't happy!?!?!!?

🙄 🙄 🙄

 

[junior]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
Oh I'm sorry a whole 30 seconds for a 60 minute disk... Good lord... if you can't wait a whole 30 seconds then maybe you need to lay off the speed for a while.

Aaah, using a G5, and with specs for CDR suggesting that it writes nearlyv twice as fast than a 32x, I'm willing to bet almost anything with you that it will save a lot more than the 30 seconds you feel it saves for a 60 minute disk, Let's not be rediculous.

 

[NavyIntel007]

Originally posted by patrick0brien
-NavyIntel007

And I find too often that burning an audio disk at Maximum speed too often causes it to be unplayable in some CD players. Yes, this is due to the media, but I'm not going ut of my way to find 32x rated CD-R's and pay more for them so that I can shave 12 minutes off of my 15 minute burn time at 4x. I just don't need it that quickly.

To me, expending that much energy for an incremental improvement is like standing in front of the microwave yelling "Faster! Faster!" - am I really that impatient?

Exactly... I used to have a 4X burner in my PC. That was hot stuff to me since my parents PC had a 1X burner. I bought an external 12X for my ibook in 01. and now my hacked 12" powerbook has a 16X. People don't get the fact that the difference between 12X and 16X is way bigger than the difference between 32X and 52X. I swear even if Apple gave them two cd drive bays and 4 hard drives they'd still complain about something.

🙄 🙄

 

[NavyIntel007]

Originally posted by junior
Aaah, using a G5, and with specs for CDR suggesting that it writes nearlyv twice as fast than a 32x, I'm willing to bet almost anything with you that it will save a lot more than the 30 seconds you feel it saves for a 60 minute disk, Let's not be rediculous.

No you really don't...

a 1x drive burns 60 minutes in 60 minutes
a 2x drive burns 60 minutes in 30 minutes
...
a 32x drive burns 60 minutes in 1.88 minutes
...
a 52x drive burns 60 minutes in 1.15 minutes

It's really simple math actually you take 60 and divide it by 52 and walla...

Oh... I guess 14 seconds is a lot more than 30 seconds.... Geez how could anyone wait for 44 seconds... 🙄

edit: of course those burn times are all ideal speeds... thats the max they go...

Oh and It's really fun when the disk explodes in your 52x drive... all for 44 seconds.

 

[junior]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
No you really don't...

a 1x drive burns 60 minutes in 60 minutes
a 2x drive burns 60 minutes in 30 minutes
...
a 32x drive burns 60 minutes in 1.88 minutes
...
a 52x drive burns 60 minutes in 1.15 minutes

It's really simple math actually you take 60 and divide it by 52 and walla...

Oh... I guess 14 seconds is a lot more than 30 seconds.... Geez how could anyone wait for 44 seconds... 🙄

edit: of course those burn times are all ideal speeds... thats the max they go...

Oh and It's really fun when the disk explodes in your 52x drive... all for 44 seconds.

Okay, I see your point. But just to be picky, it's a diference of 1 minute 13 seconds, not 44 seconds. Could be usefull if you were catching a train.🙂

 

[NavyIntel007]

Originally posted by junior
Okay, I see your point. But just to be picky, it's a diference of 1 minute 13 seconds, not 44 seconds. Could be usefull if you were catching a train.🙂

Actually you're wrong again.

See that would be 0.73 minutes or 73% of a minute... also known as 44 seconds.

That might be useful in case you go skydiving 🙄 😡 😎

 

[junior]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
Actually you're wrong again.

See that would be 0.73 minutes or 73% of a minute... also known as 44 seconds.

That might be useful in case you go skydiving 🙄 😡 😎

I knew I should have concentrated in those maths lessons back in primary school.

 

[NavyIntel007]

Originally posted by junior
I knew I should have concentrated in those maths lessons back in primary school.

apparently.

 

[daveg5]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
Oh I'm sorry a whole 30 seconds for a 60 minute disk... Good lord... if you can't wait a whole 30 seconds then maybe you need to lay off the speed for a while.

edit: as for the 5 PCI slots I'm sure Apple did some market research and found that many Apple users only use three of those four or five they had on their old G4's. They probably also found that people were either not putting more than two drives in (and with storage on its way upward there's really no reason to have more) or installing a second disk drive (either that or buying third party which apple makes $0 on). So why spend the extra money and have to charge more for extra slots, sensors and fans that people just won't ever use.

You have 8GB of RAM!!!! and the unicorn, the elanore... The G5 and yet you still aren't happy!?!?!!?

🙄 🙄 🙄

 

[daveg5]

Originally posted by daveg5

using that theory apple should limit ram to 2-4GB since most people wont even use that and 1GB chips are so high, make the agp 4x since no cpu can even saturate that yet, why not one hard drive, with the sizes now why have 2, who uses digtal sound out anyway not many so take that off too.

 

[daveg5]

Originally posted by junior
Okay, I see your point. But just to be picky, it's a diference of 1 minute 13 seconds, not 44 seconds. Could be usefull if you were catching a train.🙂

all fast cd drives 32x and up start at 24x or so and sometimes 16x then 20-24-32-40-44-48 and so forth and slowly work thier way up to high speed, pausing along the way with the buffer under run protection. it does not scale linearly like they did in the 1-16x days anymore.
it is true cds made at slower speed realtime 1x-4x are usually of higher quality with less errors
www.cdrinfo.com

 

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by daveg5
using that theory apple should limit ram to 2-4GB since most people wont even use that and 1GB chips are so high, make the agp 4x since no cpu can even saturate that yet, why not one hard drive, with the sizes now why have 2, who uses digtal sound out anyway not many so take that off too.

-daveg5

I'm afraid I have to take issue with the logic of dragging these system aspects into this discussion.

These aspects you use aren't relevant to the current discussion flavor of CD-R speeds for one simple reason. One is only affected by CD-R burn speeds when one is burning - one is affected by RAM, HD, and AGP as those are used the entire time the time the machine is up.

 

[rhpenguin]

You know what? i like the way that the G5 looks inside with individual fans for the processors. Kinda gives it the appearance of like a dual exhaust on a car. MORE POWER!!!! grunt grunt grunt!

 

[SLJ]

dumping the old technologies and pushing the new standard is a good move from Apple. Opitcal drive not just hot... it is noisy, my Pioneer 16x DVD-Rom is so loud... I use my SONY CDRW as a reader instead. One optical is enough... PCI slots... hmm, I wonder If i could use all 3 of it.. but I want more HDD bay for sure!

but I llike the G5 the way it is... enough grunt to do work and leisure

 

[adamfilip]

even tho i made that pic.

i dont thinks its really necesary to have dual optical drives and 4 internal hard drives

but i do think that the g5 should have come with built in Hardware Serial ATA RAid support. and that the Superdrive was connected via Serial ATA like the hard drives but it uses the same parallel ide cable as the g4 (pretty sure im right about this.. hope not tho)

i think that Bluetooth and Airport Extreme should be built into the motherboard. and come standard on every mac. especuially for the price of the hardware.

also looking at my mock up. i think they didnt need to make the g5 so tall.

here is how i think the dual 2ghz should be configured for the 2999 USD apple is asking

Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
1GHz frontside bus
512K L2 cache/processor
1024MB DDR400 128-bit SDRAM
Expandable to 8GB SDRAM
250GB Serial ATA with 8mb Buffer
SuperDrive Serial ATA (upgraded to burn CDr's at 32x and have full DVD +/- & DVD RW +/- support)
Three PCI-X Slots
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (All In Wonder!)
128MB DDR video memory
56K internal modem
Bluetooth and Airport Extreme Built in.
New Backlit Pro keyboard with built in Ipod Dock! and memory card reader (okay im asking alot i know)
panther final. OSX 10.3

theres my beef..
😎

 

[Rezet]

All Wrong! This is what G5 Is supposed to look like.
Little paint brush work goes a long way ehh?