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How the minions use reversed labels to trample the Apple uprising
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Apple Can Do No Wrong mentality = fanatic
I think you'll find most PC users mix and match their products for (what they believe to be) the best experience. Apple make some good computers, I have one. I have a new (bought years after the iMac) aluminium keyboard and a Razer mouse because they're great.
An Apple fanatic would swear by the Mighty Mouse or that multitouch one, despite them being terrible for anything beyond web browsing.
Your logic really is flawed here. Are you trying to imply there is an anti-fanatic group that buy everything without cause or reason so long as it isn't an Apple product?
I think you'll find most PC users mix and match their products for (what they believe to be) the best experience. Apple make some good computers, I have one. I have a new (bought years after the iMac) aluminium keyboard and a Razer mouse because they're great.
An Apple fanatic would swear by the Mighty Mouse or that multitouch one, despite them being terrible for anything beyond web browsing.
Your logic really is flawed here. Are you trying to imply there is an anti-fanatic group that buy everything without cause or reason so long as it isn't an Apple product?
Are you talking about the dictionaries definition of a "fanatic" or the one you use?
Fanboyism means "fan". Fan comes from "fan"atic. A fanatic is someone who uncritically devotes themselves to perhaps Apple or Microsoft. Since most Apple users are forced to deal with PCs in their lives, and since most PC users are not forced to deal with Macs in their lives, an average intelligent person can obviously see the difference.
What is really sad here is that you and others are actually defending your programming: that you are all Mac fanatics. This is why it takes so long to deprogram people who get kidnapped away from sects. Their minds loose concept of even the most simple and logical and obvious truths. Like the simple difference between Mac users who knows PCs and PC users who does not know Macs. A 5 year old would get it, are you still having trouble?
Slander with no argument or proof. An derogatory claim, served without explanation or reason. Of cause that would require actual intelligence.
With ease and grace as I do all things.
Except present reason or arguments for your claims? Can you argue why you think the blog post was not intelligent or are you just acting out your cave-woman DNA cause your mind went blank confronted with a logic you could not defend yourself against?
Put down the rock and the slingshot and try using your mind to express what you really want to say.
Yes "Apple can do no wrong" = fanatic. And Microsoft can do no wrong=fanatic.
What differs between PC users and Apple users is that most Apple users know both alternatives and have chosen which they prefer.
PC users have a more fanatic approach as they "prefer" PC and will swear by it, laughing at Apple users and calling them "fanatics" (using reversed labels) while having never tried the alternative. That's fanaticism.
You do not fall into that category as you know both platforms and mix them as you prefer. And you prefer from knowledge, from knowing what you are talking about, versus most PC users who "prefer" from faith in mainstream, faith in Microsoft (they're big so they must be the best ...and my neighbor uses it).
If a PC user "mixes" PC products from different manufactures to go along with their Windows PC and claims Windows is a superior product (based on "faith" / fanaticism) then they are still a fanatic.
If my logic is flawed then explain to me why the user who tries both platforms is the fanatic, while the user who insists on only trying one of them is the "free thinker" or not-a-fanatic.
Your argument however, that if someone does not agree with your opinion (that the Mighty Mouse and multitouch mouse are terrible) must be a fanatic. Is actually a fanatic statement on it's own. Agree with your opinion or you must be a fanatic. This is reversed label psychology live in action.
I am not implying that there is an anti-fanatic group that buys everything without cause or reason so long as it isn't an Apple product.
I'm telling you that there is a fanatic mainstream group that would never buy Apple spite having never tried it and yet claims it is an inferior product.
It is not fanatic to choose which platform you like after having tested both, like you do. It is however fanatic to claim that anyone who does not agree with your opinion must be a ...fanatic (reversed label psychology).
Yes if one cannot grasp the subject matter or offer any additional insight, how do you get attention? Throw a funny remark.
Thank you for lifting our spirits but if you could offer any further insight into the analysis we would be delighted.
This. I love Apple computers, because they've been great by me - they've been reliable, stable, and secure. Their mice suck. The Magic Mouse isn't bad, but not for anything above checking your email or browsing your photos. I'll always use a third-party mouse - based on my experience - and for computers I can without a doubt say I will never use anything but Mac, for the same reason.
A fanatic, of whichever brand in whichever market - computers, cars, toilet paper - is the one that thinks their favourite brands are God In a Package. Now, if all you've ever had is one product and it's never let you down, simply always buying and recommending it to friends isn't fanaticism. Fanaticism is when you ignore the possibility the product is flawed or there may be a better one.
That being said, this is whole current discussion is off the original topic...
The evangelistic replies deriding Apple 'fanatics' actually prove the OP's point.
The best one was the Subaru dealership and the other friendly Mac user, to paraphrase - "I'm NOT one of you, I am a loyal member of the vast Microsoft hegemony, begone from me with your greetings of friendship and false god you fanatic minority cult member!"
Which Chuck's Buy-More are you citing as evidence for this?
Most PC buyers buy the Dell computer, Dell monitor, Dell mouse and Dell keyboard package all in a box, or whatever other package the salesman flogs them to get the best commission that week.
The average computer buyer (which is 'most') does *not* go into the Buy-More like a smorgasboard and go... hmm, I'll take that LG screen, this HP computer, but take out the WD drive and put in a Samsung, minimum RAM only as I'll be buying that third party, that Logitec mouse, that Microsoft keyboard...
It's actually why people buy iMacs. They *want* the all-in-one package.
If they do buy the the LG screen, it's as a replacement because the Dell one broke, or the more expensive Logitec mouse after they realize after using it that the Dell one is crap. Ditto the average iMac user with the puck mouse... no difference.
The best one was the Subaru dealership and the other friendly Mac user, to paraphrase - "I'm NOT one of you, I am a loyal member of the vast Microsoft hegemony, begone from me with your greetings of friendship and false god you fanatic minority cult member!"
Which Chuck's Buy-More are you citing as evidence for this?
Most PC buyers buy the Dell computer, Dell monitor, Dell mouse and Dell keyboard package all in a box, or whatever other package the salesman flogs them to get the best commission that week.
The average computer buyer (which is 'most') does *not* go into the Buy-More like a smorgasboard and go... hmm, I'll take that LG screen, this HP computer, but take out the WD drive and put in a Samsung, minimum RAM only as I'll be buying that third party, that Logitec mouse, that Microsoft keyboard...
It's actually why people buy iMacs. They *want* the all-in-one package.
If they do buy the the LG screen, it's as a replacement because the Dell one broke, or the more expensive Logitec mouse after they realize after using it that the Dell one is crap. Ditto the average iMac user with the puck mouse... no difference.
I didn't read the blog post but I read what the OP wrote in the thread and I see his point.
There are both Apple fanatics and PC fanatics. No one is debating that. I think the point is that the simple fact that you use a Mac pretty much gets you labeled a "fanatic" by the PC side even though most Mac users have used both Mac and PCs while most PC users haven't. Most PC users use Windows because "everyone" uses Windows while most Mac users have tried both and made the conscious decision to stick with Macs. Isn't this contradicting to the idea that Mac users are fanatics?
There are both Apple fanatics and PC fanatics. No one is debating that. I think the point is that the simple fact that you use a Mac pretty much gets you labeled a "fanatic" by the PC side even though most Mac users have used both Mac and PCs while most PC users haven't. Most PC users use Windows because "everyone" uses Windows while most Mac users have tried both and made the conscious decision to stick with Macs. Isn't this contradicting to the idea that Mac users are fanatics?
Well the original subject is what is a fanatic, who are the fanatics and the point that the mainstream minions have been getting away with reversing the labels and making even Apple users think they are fanatics -
Even in this thread and you'll see even Apple users defending the minions distorted reality and dismissing simple logic and word definitions.
It's right on topic.
One is not a fanatic just cause he or she think a brand is god in a package. If this is a conclusion based on knowledge and not blind fanatic faith. However if this "opinion" was reached throug a refusal to investigate alternatives, then per definition one cannot say that it is "the best" cause that would require testing the alternatives. And that is therefor a fanatics approach.
And you write it perfectly at the end when you say:"Fanaticism is when you ignore the possibility the product is flawed or there may be a better one"
Finally we get some free thinkers in the thread
. In the beginning there were only minions and victims of the minions reverse label psychology who could not think for themselves and such were thrown completely off from reading the article which confronts the propaganda with simple logic. Since the logic went against what they had been programmed to think, they "derided" it since this is the last exit before being forced to actually do your own thinking.I'm trying to make people think about this stuff so they stop falling victim to the mainstream reporting going on referring to Apple users as "The Apple Faithful" (insinuating that if you prefer Apple products you must do so out of pure faith cause since the majority uses MS products clearly this must be the best).
The earth is flat on TV. Welcome to reality and thanks for your insightful comments.
You got it dead on! And you said it perfectly. Let's hope our fellow Mac users will wake up and start thinking about this.
PC users mostly have only used PCs. IF (!!!) they claim you must be a fanatic for prefering Apple after having tried both, clearly it's the PC user who is the fanatic using reverse label psychology.
Who cares? IT'S JUST A COMPUTER!
You're wasting so much time and effort to explain why some people are fanatics and why some aren't. Stop concerning yourself so much with what operating systems random people on internet forums use. You don't know them, you'll never meet them, so why bother? If they want to use a Mac, fine. If they want to use Windows, fine. Leave it at that. It doesn't matter, it doesn't affect you. It's just a computer. And the sooner some people can understand that it's just a computer, and not a religion, or a political party, the better.
You're wasting so much time and effort to explain why some people are fanatics and why some aren't. Stop concerning yourself so much with what operating systems random people on internet forums use. You don't know them, you'll never meet them, so why bother? If they want to use a Mac, fine. If they want to use Windows, fine. Leave it at that. It doesn't matter, it doesn't affect you. It's just a computer. And the sooner some people can understand that it's just a computer, and not a religion, or a political party, the better.
I second that. I expect the OP next to call us closed minded and guilty of watching too much TV.
Maybe it's just me but I've met plenty of PC fanatics that feel the need to criticize my choice based on their own preconceived notion of Mac users. I've never actually met a Mac fanatic on the other hand. So yeah, it does bother me that people will judge me based on my computer choice.
And I never understood why people who don't care about a subject keep coming back to post about it.
+1!
And a -1 to the OP who congratulated someone on being a "free thinker" just because they both agree on the same thing. Wouldn't a "free thinker" be someone who sees through brand loyalty?
Some people will judge you for any reason that suits them. It's easier than thinking.
Any time a distinction can be made between an in-group and an out-group, someone will be happy to make that distinction and assert the superiority of their in-group. They are prejudiced or bigoted.
There is a related error called stereotyping, in which one presumes all members of a group act in the same or similar ways as a few members of that group.
Morbid fascination.
I don't think the OP said that. He said "free thinker" because most Mac users have actually tried both platforms even though the mainstream sticks with PCs, while most PC users have only tried PCs.
Is there anything to actually back that claim up, or is that just something the author of the article pulled out of his ass?
You should not concern yourself with these matters. This is for people who cares about what is reality versus an illution. Go smell the roses and have a beer instead, and enjoy yourself.
Not at all. TV will make you so dumb nobody will take you serious, so by all means.
Good point. It's really sad how we see the victims of the minions reversed label campain. The victims resemble what is known as the Stockholm Syndrome in that they actually defend those who abuse them. We are seing how people actually defend the mantra they have already accepted that they themselves are fanatics simply for using Macs, still unaware that they have been victims of mind manipulation.
They can't argue against the article, they just resist it cause it goes against the programming we have all been subjected to.
They aim to shut down reason and logic cause they do not master these skills themselves. This is why they mock and ridicule instead of giving actual arguments.
The "OP" (me) did no such thing. A free thinker does not "see through brand loyalty". Brand loyalty either stems from reason or from blind fanatic faith. As such you cannot see through brand loyalty, you can only determine how it was derived. Perhaps this was what you meant.
Agreed. Good point(s).
Exactly
- people who are eagerly aiming for the man instead of studying the subject easily make mistakes cause they don't really care about the subject only in dominating anyone who stands up against the ....minions. Stockholm Syndrome once again.Well perhaps you can argue to us why you think most PC users use Macs on the job while using PCs at home? Or would it be too difficult actually contributing with an argument? (...without using offensive language I mean).
No, it's not my job to back that up. The author of the article and several posters in this thread are making the claim that most PC users have never tried a Mac. I'm simply asking them to prove it.
Ok, I'll try to find something to back that up but that's my experience from working in the computer area of several electronics stores.
proof: market share.
So now that you have refused to prove the opposite and since market share numbers of the Mac versus PC proves that 90% of the market could not have any basis of determining weather or not the most used platform in fact is the best, and such are being fanatics when they claim superiority of the PC platform, perhaps now you can supply us with some insights into why you think those who know both platforms are fanatics while those who mostly only knows one platform are free thinkers?
So will you come up with more common knowledge things you need proof of or will you relate to the topic?
Market share has nothing to do with it. Someone can still try a Mac without owning one and decide they didn't like it. Maybe they have one at work. Maybe a friend or family member has one that they've used for awhile. Maybe they bought one, didn't like it, and sold it. Market share is irrelevant. Again, it is up to you to prove that PC users have never tried a Mac and you still have yet to do so.
Why don't you set up a thread on "understanding market share", it seems you require some special attention. I'll swing by and help you out, just throw a link when it's set up. You should get to the bottom of that before you attempt to tackle "fanatic".