How to backup apps ?

geta

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I've noticed when i backup iPhone with iOS 10.3.1 that iTunes not asking me if i would like to backup my apps like it used to ask with iOS 8.2 .
Is there any other way to save the ipa files on my computer like it used to be in the past? Its very useful to have older app versions in case i would like to downgrade apps..
 

posguy99

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I've noticed when i backup iPhone with iOS 10.3.1 that iTunes not asking me if i would like to backup my apps like it used to ask with iOS 8.2.
This is due to app thinning. If you want copies of the apps in iTunes on your computer, simply use iTunes to download them. The ability to maintain your library in iTunes has not gone away.
 

geta

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This is due to app thinning. If you want copies of the apps in iTunes on your computer, simply use iTunes to download them. The ability to maintain your library in iTunes has not gone away.
So you saying that if i want to have a copy of my apps in iTunes library like i had so far, i need to download them again for the second time, one by one on through iTunes as well? If so its gonna be an hassle to maintain all the apps from now on..

No other way to do so like in the past?
 

Mlrollin91

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So you saying that if i want to have a copy of my apps in iTunes library like i had so far, i need to download them again for the second time, one by one on through iTunes as well? If so its gonna be an hassle to maintain all the apps from now on..

No other way to do so like in the past?
Just turn on iTunes auto downloads. It will auto download every time you download on a device.
 

geta

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Preferences and I believe the store tab.
If you’re talking about the auto download in the download tab, where i need to mark ‘app’, i’ve tried that, but i can’t find where the updated app locate, its not in the old folder..
 

EM2013

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So you saying that if i want to have a copy of my apps in iTunes library like i had so far, i need to download them again for the second time, one by one on through iTunes as well? If so its gonna be an hassle to maintain all the apps from now on..

No other way to do so like in the past?
I never have to download them on my computer. When I backup my phone to iTunes it asks if you want to transfer purchases
 

Mlrollin91

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If you’re talking about the auto download in the download tab, where i need to mark ‘app’, i’ve tried that, but i can’t find where the updated app locate, its not in the old folder..
When an app updates. It sends the old IPA file to your trash. Been like that since the beginning of apps.
 

chscag

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If you’re talking about the auto download in the download tab, where i need to mark ‘app’, i’ve tried that, but i can’t find where the updated app locate, its not in the old folder..
They're downloaded here: Macintosh HD/Users/your user name/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Mobile Applications/
 

geta

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I never have to download them on my computer. When I backup my phone to iTunes it asks if you want to transfer purchases
When an app updates. It sends the old IPA file to your trash. Been like that since the beginning of apps.
They're downloaded here: Macintosh HD/Users/your user name/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Mobile Applications/
Before i changed to iOS 10.3.1 from 8.2 it used to work like that, every time i made backup iTunes was asking me if i want to transfer purchases\updated apps as well, the older ipa files was in the trash, and the new ones always could be found in the same Mobile Applications folder.

It seems like whatever im trying to do now not working and i cant save the new ipa files while im making backups. The only option im having is to download every single new or updated app separately in iTunes, then it will save them in the Mobile Applications folder like it used to do automatically as part of the backups.. and of course i need to sign in first if i want to download them, what a hassle this is.
 

Mlrollin91

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Before i changed to iOS 10.3.1 from 8.2 it used to work like that, every time i made backup iTunes was asking me if i want to transfer purchases\updated apps as well, the older ipa files was in the trash, and the new ones always could be found in the same Mobile Applications folder.

It seems like whatever im trying to do now not working and i cant save the new ipa files while im making backups. The only option im having is to download every single new or updated app separately in iTunes, then it will save them in the Mobile Applications folder like it used to do automatically as part of the backups.. and of course i need to sign in first if i want to download them, what a hassle this is.
Again, if you set up automatic app downloads, it will download it to iTunes every time you download a new app to your device. The only thing you have to do is periodically hit update all in iTunes. But you don't have to download each app manually.
 

posguy99

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It seems like whatever im trying to do now not working and i cant save the new ipa files while im making backups. The only option im having is to download every single new or updated app separately in iTunes, then it will save them in the Mobile Applications folder like it used to do automatically as part of the backups.. and of course i need to sign in first if i want to download them, what a hassle this is.
Why wouldn't you expect to sign in in order to download them? You had to do that before.

As I said, App Thinning means that iTunes will not transfer an app bundle back from the phone to your library. But if you maintain the app in your library, iTunes will get it from there in preference to having to download it.
 

geta

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Again, if you set up automatic app downloads, it will download it to iTunes every time you download a new app to your device. The only thing you have to do is periodically hit update all in iTunes. But you don't have to download each app manually.
I've set up the auto app download in iTunes before i downloaded new app on my phone and nothing happened in iTunes.. cant find the new app anywhere on my mac. I made new backup as well, and nothing... the only thing that happened when i pressed sync was that iTunes copied the updated apps i downloaded earlier on iTunes to my phone.
 

Mlrollin91

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I've set up the auto app download in iTunes before i downloaded new app on my phone and nothing happened in iTunes.. cant find the new app anywhere on my mac. I made new backup as well, and nothing... the only thing that happened when i pressed sync was that iTunes copied the updated apps i downloaded earlier on iTunes to my phone.
Have you tried hitting the check for purchases option? I don't have my computer in front of me, but it's either File or Edit. Completely quitting iTunes and reopening will also force it to check for purchases. I have zero issues with auto downloads.
 

geta

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Have you tried hitting the check for purchases option? I don't have my computer in front of me, but it's either File or Edit. Completely quitting iTunes and reopening will also force it to check for purchases. I have zero issues with auto downloads.
Whatever i tried so far not working for me, iTunes wont download any purchases or updated apps to my Mac while im making backup.
 

Mlrollin91

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Whatever i tried so far not working for me, iTunes wont download any purchases or updated apps to my Mac while im making backup.
It won't update apps on your mac, that has already been mentioned above. You have to go to the update pane and hit "update all apps".
 

geta

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It won't update apps on your mac, that has already been mentioned above. You have to go to the update pane and hit "update all apps".
Lets put the updated apps aside for now, the purchases\new apps on my phone wont moved,copied or downloaded to iTune library\mobile application folder as well.
 

Mlrollin91

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Lets put the updated apps aside for now, the purchases\new apps on my phone wont moved,copied or downloaded to iTune library\mobile application folder as well.
I feel like we are circling now. This is because of App Splitting, as mentioned in the first response to your OP.
 

geta

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Have you tried hitting the check for purchases option? I don't have my computer in front of me, but it's either File or Edit. Completely quitting iTunes and reopening will also force it to check for purchases. I have zero issues with auto downloads.
I feel like we are circling now. This is because of App Splitting, as mentioned in the first response to your OP.
You said you having zero issues with auto download, i marked the apps in the auto download and nothing happening while im making the backup. Dont know what im doing wrong, but noting moving\copying automatically, and i never been asked if you want to transfer purchases.
 

Mlrollin91

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You said you having zero issues with auto download, i marked the apps in the auto download and nothing happening while im making the backup. Dont know what im doing wrong, but noting moving\copying automatically, and i never been asked if you want to transfer purchases.
Auto download has nothing to do with backing up.

As I have outlined a couple times above, auto download will download the app to iTunes when you download a new app on your iOS device. Therefore you don't need to find it iTunes to download it again to make your iTunes library match. This has nothing to do with backing up.
 

geta

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Auto download has nothing to do with backing up.

As I have outlined a couple times above, auto download will download the app to iTunes when you download a new app on your iOS device. Therefore you don't need to find it iTunes to download it again to make your iTunes library match. This has nothing to do with backing up.
Ok, its nothing to do with backup. Still when im downloading new app on my phone, iTunes not downloading it as well even when its marked.
[doublepost=1499285556][/doublepost]I've found some workaround to my problem, but its an hassle to do so every single time.
 

Mlrollin91

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Ok, its nothing to do with backup. Still when im downloading new app on my phone, iTunes not downloading it as well even when its marked.
[doublepost=1499285556][/doublepost]I've found some workaround to my problem, but its an hassle to do so every single time.
Maybe try contacting Apple and figure out why auto download is not working. Because it works without a hitch here, therefore I don't have to download new apps every single time twice.