How to break out of Apple's waiting hell?

Discussion in 'Buying Tips and Advice' started by hajime, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. hajime, Jun 14, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2018

    hajime macrumors 601

    Jul 23, 2007
    Have been waiting for over 2.5 years with no productivity. Very bad for my career. During this time, just keep using my MBP 2010 17". Even after changing the HD to SSD and replacing the thermal paste, still have heat issue and noisy fan. Even just browsing the internet, the machine sounds like a jet engine. Everyday spending lots of time on macrumors hoping to hear news about Apple releasing a new MBP with improved keyboard. Nothing has happened. This causes lots of stress, anger, depression and frustration. Rather than going out to make new friends, just keep checking my phone for suitable replacement of MBP and news about the situation of the keyboard. We might as well have to wait until 2020. Apple does not care about the MBP line as the focus was iPad and now iPhone. Meanwhile, cannot find a PC manufacturer that offers good after sales support and reliable laptop. Windows laptops with 8th gen CPU all seem to suffer from heat, noisy fan and thermal issues. Heard that I need a laptop over 2kg to avoid seeing these issues. Tried to build a DIY workstation but half of the components were DOA. Considered to buy the cheapest MBP 13" nTB model yesterday to leave the waiting game and heard about the new repairing notes. Never have such a bad purchase experience before. TC really knows how to sc*ew up long term customer. How to break out of this waiting hell?
  2. chrono1081 macrumors 604


    Jan 26, 2008
    Isla Nublar
    Fans moving is part of normal computer operations, including "just browsing the web". Webpages are not like they were in the 90s where there was very little content, webpages nowadays are huge with a lot going on under the hood. Fan usage is normal.

    You can keep being unproductive, that's you're own fault, but I'm going to be getting back to being very productive on my MacBook Pro 2017.
  3. Closingracer macrumors 68040

    Jul 13, 2010

    Lol its not Tim Cook its you.

    A) Buy a 2017 MacBook pro

    B) Buy a 2015 Macbook pro

    C) buy a Windows laptop

    D) Keep your old one and complain still because you want to.

    E) Wait forever for something that won't come any time soon ( At least what you want)
  4. MacDawg macrumors Core


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    Hate to spoil your pity party because it is so entertaining, but you are imprisoned in a hell of your own making and we are just watching like a MR version of The Truman Show
  5. Mr_Brightside_@ macrumors 68030


    Sep 23, 2005
  6. hajime thread starter macrumors 601

    Jul 23, 2007
    Returned due to the keyboard and touchbar.
  7. Starfia macrumors 6502


    Apr 11, 2011
    That does sound frustrating. You could certainly search eBay for a nice typewriter.
  8. Closingracer macrumors 68040

    Jul 13, 2010

    Or some nice pen and paper
  9. Nbd1790 macrumors member

    Jan 2, 2017
    New York
    Buy a 15 inch 2016/2017 MBP with Applecare (or a 2015 if you're not in need of a dedicated graphics card) - If there are issues with the keyboard or any other component of the computer, Apple has got you covered. AND - if it happens 3 times, multiple people have received brand new units. Can't help but think that when (or if) a newer 2018 model comes out with some sort of major enhancement to the keyboard, that could potentially be your replacement.

    OR you can just go a safer route with a used 2015 15 inch MBP with dedicated graphics (still might even be able to find some with Applecare) and you'll be fine. Have to agree with the other people on this thread - shouldn't be freaking out too much, you have plenty of viable options. Also, aside from everyone elses keyboard issues, there are still a lot of people with positive things to say about the new macbook designs.
  10. bluespark macrumors 65816

    Jul 11, 2009
    New York
    Whatever Apple's reasons for switching the MBP keyboards, there is no guarantee it is ever going back. Other than waiting and hoping, your choices are to buy a MB or MBP notwithstanding that you prefer the older keyboard or buying something else. I personally think this is a great time to buy a Windows laptop. There are good models from Dell (which never used to be the case, IMO), Lenovo, and Microsoft. I'm sure there is a fanless version of the Surface Laptop and people seem to really like it. You also might find that you like Apple's new keyboards once you get used to them. You have plenty of good options.
  11. 960design macrumors 68030

    Apr 17, 2012
    Destin, FL
  12. j562345 macrumors newbie

    Jun 7, 2018
    Surrounded by buildings
    Well, do something. I'm sure you use your MBP, right? Just make it into something productive.

    Go to Activity Monitor and look at the cpu load. If the cpu is high, then it's software issue. Otherwise, it could be hardware issue. If it is software issue, see if you could uninstall/end the software that is causing high cpu load. If it's a macOS system software, then look in the forum for similar problem.

    If it could be hardware, you could buy an older MBP 2010 out there. Or If you want to do some hard work you could double check and see if the thermal paste is well applied (fewer pocket air the better) or check if it could be caused by the graphic card (check both software and hardware).

    That should be expected. Apple 2014-2016 profit is 90% iPhone/ iPad, 10% Mac. Business wise, there is no incentive to care for the MBP. There is no point in waiting.

    Even though most pc laptop manufactures don't really give after sales support (they suck), it doesn't mean cpu will suffer from heat, noisy fan, or thermal issues. In fact, thermal issues don't come that often unless it is a driver, hardware issue or a resource intensive program is used. Get a ThinkPad if you want a least some after sales support.
  13. Hater macrumors 6502a


    Sep 20, 2017
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    Buy any one of the business supported Dell/Lenovo/HP laptops that have same day service SLA's?
  14. hajime thread starter macrumors 601

    Jul 23, 2007
    I checked Activity Monitor several times already. As mentioned in other threads, not a software issue. When I opened the computer, what I found out is that there are only two heatsink for two of the three components. Don't know what is goingo n.

    I checked Thinkpad but Carbon X1, T and P series all have heat and noisy fan issues. Otherwise, I would have bought one already.
  15. bopajuice Suspended


    Mar 22, 2016
    Dark side of the moon
    Lost productivity due to noisy fans? Hmm.
  16. esk macrumors member

    Sep 26, 2016
  17. TWISTEDH34T macrumors newbie


    Mar 4, 2018
    Oh my god! finally someone who I can relate to. My 2010 MBP while it still works has gotten very slow, mainly because of the OS updates. I bought a Dell laptop with great specs, but I ended up having so many OS related issues with it that I had to send it back. I've not been using it as much lately as I used to as the battery runs out quickly, so I can't really take it anywhere. Hopefully Apple will announce a new MBP this year. I was disappointed when they didn't during WWDC.
  18. esk macrumors member

    Sep 26, 2016
    btw I had the same problem as you and now I've just bought an iMac. This is now my main computer and I only use my MBP 2011 as a secondary device.
  19. dirtymagician Suspended

    Jul 24, 2012
    If your first post is how you view life at the moment, then I would speak to a doctor. I'm not being sarcastic or rude either, it's a genuine thought.
  20. hajime thread starter macrumors 601

    Jul 23, 2007
    I don’t buy used, refurbished or anything from eBay.
  21. hajime, Jun 15, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2018

    hajime thread starter macrumors 601

    Jul 23, 2007
    Thanks. What is SLA?
    --- Post Merged, Jun 15, 2018 ---
    Problem is I need a portable machine. Trying to save money buying one laptop rather than an ultraportable and a powerful workstation. In the past, a MBP was powerful enough to get my job done. I like the portability as I could work anywhere. I keep reading posts about heat, noisy fan and thermal throttling among ultraportable (below 2kg) with 8th gen CPU. In the near future, I may need to do some CUDA computations using Nvidia GPU. It looks like the only option is just buy a light ultraportable of about 1-1.5kg and buy a powerful workstation when I need the power of Nvidia GPU. Am I right?

    I am very sensitive to noise. That noisy fan drives me crazy.
  22. 960design macrumors 68030

    Apr 17, 2012
    Destin, FL
    Pro level term: Service Level Agreement. I use them for software ( web application ) maintenance contracts. Outlining what is expected of my support and agreed upon timeframes. For example, the contact could state that text based updates to site will be completed within 48 hours. Image based changes, 48 hours. Page design element changes 72 hours. There are penalties to my company for not completing the task within the SLA time periods.
  23. s15119 macrumors 65816


    Nov 20, 2010
  24. MRrainer macrumors 6502a

    Aug 8, 2008
    Zurich, Switzerland

    I would have said to get a MacBook, because they have no fans - but they don't have Thunderbolt3, so no point in eGPU.

    If the 15" 2015 MBP does not share the current keyboard-problems, I'd consider one of those and an eGPU.
    Of course, that's not portable. But anything with a large GPU is going to have thermal problems. That's just the law of physics.

    I wasn't even aware that they are still sold, but you can actually get a brand new one and get Apple Care for it, if you want.
  25. Glmnet1 macrumors 6502a

    Oct 21, 2017
    Make sure it's actually cheaper to get the 15" vs a desktop and an ultraportable. Once you take into account the peripherals and external monitor (if you need one), it can be quite surprising.

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