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I would like to completely shut off TrueDepth system on my iPhone X.

I already did "reset Face ID" to erase and disable face ID. It's disabled now. But I still see (by placing the iphone in front of my mac camera) that the iphone still emits rays (either IR, flood illuminator etc).

How do I completely disable the whole TrueDepth system on my iPhone X?
Any help is appreciated.
 
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I personally am not convinced that having an IR light flashing in your eyes all the time won’t have impacts on people’s vision long term and/or that it isn’t the cause of the eye strain & heachace complaints that seem to be associated with people with X type iPhones. I’ll be holding out with an iPhone 8 at least until there is a little more research.
 
I personally am not convinced that having an IR light flashing in your eyes all the time won’t have impacts on people’s vision long term and/or that it isn’t the cause of the eye strain & heachace complaints that seem to be associated with people with X type iPhones. I’ll be holding out with an iPhone 8 at least until there is a little more research.
To be fair it does look creepy in recent videos I’ve seen, where the sensor is constantly flashing away.
 
I would be very interested in your "correlated" data....

I do have screentime data, but vision data is just my experience.

I can share that, my screentime has increased significantly since last two weeks...averaging around 5hrs/day, with relatively long continuous usage. Earlier my usage used to be ~2hrs/day, and that too in short bursts.

eye irritation seem to have started and stayed consistent around the same time frame as my increased usage... and is a bit more pronounced especially during night time when all other lights are off.

My hypothesis is that the increased screentime (with continuous blast of IR) is starting to have adverse effect on eyes...but this is just me, n=1.

Hence the plan to shut off TrueDepth and test— but looks like there’s no way to do that...

so plan to switch phones...
 
I do have screentime data, but vision data is just my experience.

I can share that, my screentime has increased significantly since last two weeks...averaging around 5hrs/day, with relatively long continuous usage. Earlier my usage used to be ~2hrs/day, and that too in short bursts.

eye irritation seem to have started and stayed consistent around the same time frame as my increased usage... and is a bit more pronounced especially during night time when all other lights are off.

My hypothesis is that the increased screentime (with continuous blast of IR) is starting to have adverse effect on eyes...but this is just me, n=1.

Hence the plan to shut off TrueDepth and test— but looks like there’s no way to do that...

so plan to switch phones...
Sounds like increased screen time alone would fit in with all that.
 
Perhaps it could be the oled screen that's causing the strain? People have had issues with it. PWM: Pulse Width Modulation. Though that has nothing to do with the millions of ✌ laser beams ✌shooting through your eyeballs...
 
I personally am not convinced that having an IR light flashing in your eyes all the time won’t have impacts on people’s vision long term and/or that it isn’t the cause of the eye strain & heachace complaints that seem to be associated with people with X type iPhones. I’ll be holding out with an iPhone 8 at least until there is a little more research.
Are you worried about the damage from visible light that you see every day? Even though visible light has a much lower wavelength than infrared light, meaning it has far more energy, and is more likely to do damage than IR light, I’d assume you don’t have a large fear of that. The IR light isn’t at a very high intensity, and the bursts are so short that the total power output is minuscule, such that there just isn’t enough energy to damage your eyes in a meaningful way. Plus, infrared light is emitted off of every single object on earth as heat energy, and I also doubt you’re worried about looking at a hot cup of coffee compared to a cold one. There are almost no possible long term effects from this infrared light, mainly due to the tiny amount of power it emits and the fact that our eyes are always being hit by infrared (and higher energy visible light) constantly every day. With that said, it may be possible that it’s causing eye irritation or headaches, but it’s far more likely that this is due to the PWM.

OP: Have you tried using the phone on max brightness all the time for a few days, and then a few days on a much lower brightness setting at all times (with auto brightness off)? If you see a change in the eye soreness it’s likely the PWM. You mentioned that the eye strain is a bit worse at night, which I’m guessing is due to the screen being at a lower brightness, which makes the PWM more pronounced and more likely to cause problems.
 
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Are you worried about the damage from visible light that you see every day? Even though visible light has a much lower wavelength than infrared light, meaning it has far more energy, and is more likely to do damage than IR light, I’d assume you don’t have a large fear of that. The IR light isn’t at a very high intensity, and the bursts are so short that the total power output is minuscule, such that there just isn’t enough energy to damage your eyes in a meaningful way. Plus, infrared light is emitted off of every single object on earth as heat energy, and I also doubt you’re worried about looking at a hot cup of coffee compared to a cold one. There are almost no possible long term effects from this infrared light, mainly due to the tiny amount of power it emits and the fact that our eyes are always being hit by infrared (and higher energy visible light) constantly every day. With that said, it may be possible that it’s causing eye irritation or headaches, but it’s far more likely that this is due to the PWM.

OP: Have you tried using the phone on max brightness all the time for a few days, and then a few days on a much lower brightness setting at all times (with auto brightness off)? If you see a change in the eye soreness it’s likely the PWM. You mentioned that the eye strain is a bit worse at night, which I’m guessing is due to the screen being at a lower brightness, which makes the PWM more pronounced and more likely to cause problems.
I was waiting for the lecture about how safe IR is. I know that it is safe in moderate doses and we are exposed to plenty of it in our day to day life, especially when outside on a hot sunny day. Thing is, the sun or the hot cup of coffee you mentioned don’t flash. I also wonder about using it in the dark when your pupils are dilated (pupils would typically be constricted in an environment where we are exposed to a lot of IR, such as when outside on a sunny day). I’m not saying that there is health concerns with these things, just that I don’t think there is enough research to say for certain that there isn’t.
 
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OP: Have you tried using the phone on max brightness all the time for a few days, and then a few days on a much lower brightness setting at all times (with auto brightness off)? If you see a change in the eye soreness it’s likely the PWM. You mentioned that the eye strain is a bit worse at night, which I’m guessing is due to the screen being at a lower brightness, which makes the PWM more pronounced and more likely to cause problems.

Thanks for the info on PWM. I'll try the brightness modulation technique.
 
To be fair it does look creepy in recent videos I’ve seen, where the sensor is constantly flashing away.

You know that those camera's that capture infrared images, are designed to enhance that infrared image as much as possible, to make it clearly visible ;)
 
But I still see (by placing the iphone in front of my mac camera) that the iphone still emits rays (either IR, flood illuminator etc).

That's really cool! I ran downstairs to grab the TV remote to see if I could see it too. I can. I had no idea the camera would capture it.
 
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