How to install ML on iMac without paying for it ?

Discussion in 'iMac' started by IA64, Feb 20, 2014.

  1. IA64 macrumors 6502

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    No I am not asking for an illegal way to install ML on my machine.

    I bought an iMac with Mavericks preinstalled. The thing is that I don't like Mavericks and ML 10.8.5 was almost perfect. The system was much faster ( finder and animation specifically ) and most of the features in Mavericks aren't needed.

    It's not possible for me to do a clean boot or recovery as it's gonna install 10.9 back.

    Is it possible to use the license of Mavericks on ML ? What to do ? I really don't want to pay for that thing.
     
  2. old-wiz macrumors G3

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    it might not even be possible to install ML on your iMac - usually can't install anything earlier than what it shipped with.
     
  3. (Chanticleer) macrumors newbie

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    There are ways that I won't go into, however if you Google I am certain that you can find it and install with no problems at all.
     
  4. IA64 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I Googled but there are mixed opinions and results.

    Has anyone tried it before ? To install an OS earlier than the one shipped ?
     
  5. MartinAppleGuy macrumors 68020

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    It's only £13.99 in the App Store. Call up Apple and ask if it would install as a downgrade. You spend £1000+ on a computer, don't go braking the law for £14 worth.
     
  6. IA64 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I already said that when I upgraded to 4471, 32GB, SSD and GTX780M.

    Honestly I don't feel like paying anything anymore on this machine, I already spent $3900. It's very disappointing to buy an iMac and be forced to use Windows

    And also I don't have Apple Store in the country I'm living in at the moment. There is no phone support, just resellers... that's why I'm asking on this forum if it has been done before.

    Also the iMac doesn't come with a DVD drive so not sure if it can be done over USB. Or maybe I have to pay for something new everytime I want to do the silliest thing.
     
  7. yjchua95 macrumors 604

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    It's possible to make a USB installer.

    However, the Haswell iMacs that had Mountain Lion came with a special build of 10.8.5, which is different from the combo build of 10.8.5 for all other Macs.
     
  8. IA64 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    And what's special about it ? I mean seriously my iMac is cursed with the Mavericks ?
     
  9. yjchua95 macrumors 604

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    Apple didn't include the Haswell hardware drivers in the standard build of 10.8.5. A special build was released for Haswell and only contains drivers for Haswell Macs.
     
  10. IA64 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    How can I get this special built ? any idea ?
     
  11. harleymhs macrumors 6502

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    You cant go backwards in OSX only UP ! I tried that in the past on my MBA ! No Go ! I tried too with NO LUCK! Im glad I have my new Imac with ML .. Running windows as well PERFECT! With the GTX680 and 512 SSD and 24 G Ram... Who needs maverick..
     
  12. IA64 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    The irony when people were bragging about getting Mavericks installed... And I thought myself lucky... heh

    So you're telling me that there's no way going backward ? How would the system know if I'm trying to boot from USB and format the partition ? Is this a firmware restriction ? I see no point in not allowing to install an older OS version.
     
  13. yjchua95 macrumors 604

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    There are some back channels, including the bay full of pirates...
     
  14. IA64 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Yeah but can you confirm that it's possible to use ML on a Mavericks machine ?

    It's a 4mbps connection here, don't want to wait 7 hours for nothing :confused:
     
  15. CH12671 macrumors 6502

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    Yesterday at 11:08 AM>Today at 8:42 AM seems like you could have already downloaded it and tried.

    And there is a point...the windows environment is fairly unrestricted. However, if you tried to put, say, windows 3.11 on a machine built this year, you would have all kinds of grief because of driver issues. Even Windows XP has lost it's support from Microsoft. I realize we are only talking about one version backwards, but the whole reason Apple only releases it's software on it's own hardware is for ensured compatibility. They aren't going to compromise that by allowing people to go backwards, or even forwards in some cases. They have billions of devices out in the wild. They don't have time for people calling them asking why ML doesn't work on a machine that was never designed for it.....therefore, they don't support that practice.
     
  16. yjchua95 macrumors 604

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    I can't verify it, because both my 21.5" and 27" Haswells shipped with ML :/
     
  17. IA64 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    My internet is capped...
     
  18. monkeybagel macrumors 65816

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    You can try doing an Internet Recovery and see what it offers. Many machines will load the first OS it was offered with when using Internet Recovery from what I have seen.

    When booting the machine, hold down Cmd+Option+R. It will pause for a second and then start getting the basesystem.dmg file from Apple instead of the Recovery HD that is on your hard disk. See if it loads the 10.8 version (it will be obvious as it will say Install a new copy of Mountain Lion as an option and have the linen wallpaper).

    Once the upgrade to 10.9 is done, it will update the Recovery HD to 10.9. This, if you only hold down R when you boot it attempts the local Recovery HD first to boot from, the it will fetch its version of the OS. Booting from the Internet instead of locally may get around this.
     
  19. IA64 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Unfortunately no go. It's a 10.9 what it's loading. God damn it...

    It didn't allow me to install a 10.8.5. I tried that and it says the current version is not compatible with my machine.

    I can't believe how lame it is. Really...
     
  20. SaSaSushi macrumors 68040

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    I have a Late 2013 Haswell iMac that shipped with Mavericks and I already own Mountain Lion, having purchased it for my previous Late 2009 iMac. In the Mac App Store, Mountain Lion is still right there among the purchases, with a download button.

    In fact, I was having some USB problems with Mavericks shortly after I took delivery of it and I tried downgrading to Mountain Lion. It installed without issues but I went back to Mavericks for a different reason:

    If you use iPhoto, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, etc they will all be unusable if you've updated to their latest versions in the Mac App Store in Mavericks already. Once you're back in Mountain Lion you can find the apps in the list of purchases in the Mac App Store but they will just say "not compatible with this version of OS X".

    Anyway, I have a dev account and those USB issues have thankfully been resolved in the 10.9.2 beta. I have no further problems with Mavericks.
     
  21. IA64 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Not sure if you installed the 7th beta of 10.9.2 but have you noticed a graphics performance improvement ?
     
  22. SaSaSushi macrumors 68040

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    I have indeed (13C62). I can't say I've noticed any particular graphics performance improvements, but then I wasn't having any problems before (animations, etc). In other words, it's been as fluid and fast in Mavericks for me as it was in ML.

    Is there anything in particular you're experiencing I could try to recreate for you? Or are you already using the latest beta too?
     
  23. mrsavage1 macrumors regular

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    You need to use 10.8.5(12F37) not 12f45. Google for 12F37 torrent you will find it.
     
  24. IA64 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I'm still on 10.9.1... too many headache seriously even after a clean boot.

    Graphic performance is mediocre. On windows I get like twice more FPS for the same benchmark and setup.

    Finder is sluggish sometimes, application folder is slow when I open it the first time or after a while. It opens fast the 2nd time. Dragging windows isn't smooth at all. Not stuttering whatever you call it but it's not like it's a maxed out PC, not even close.

    I get some errors in the console, not sure if it's related but I've been googling for an answer since ever :

    Code:
    2/23/14 4:35:56.000 PM kernel[0]: NTFS-fs error (device /dev/disk0s4, pid 46): ntfs_restart_page_header_is_valid(): $LogFile version 2.0 is not supported.  (This driver supports version 1.1 only.)
    2/23/14 4:35:56.000 PM kernel[0]: NTFS-fs error (device /dev/disk0s4, pid 46): ntfs_restart_page_header_is_valid(): $LogFile version 2.0 is not supported.  (This driver supports version 1.1 only.)
    2/23/14 4:35:56.000 PM kernel[0]: NTFS-fs error (device /dev/disk0s4, pid 46): ntfs_logfile_check(): Did not find any restart pages in $LogFile and it was not empty.
    2/23/14 4:35:56.000 PM kernel[0]: NTFS-fs warning (device /dev/disk0s4, pid 46): ntfs_system_inodes_get(): $LogFile is not clean.  Will not be able to remount read-write.  Mount in Windows.
    2/23/14 4:35:56.000 PM kernel[0]: NTFS-fs warning (device /dev/disk0s4, pid 46): ntfs_system_inodes_get(): Windows is hibernated.  Will not be able to remount read-write.  Run chkdsk.
    
    2/23/14 4:36:23.338 PM com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[173]: (com.apple.EscrowSecurityAlert) Unknown key: seatbelt-profiles
    
    2/23/14 4:36:23.545 PM com.apple.audio.DriverHelper[194]: The plug-in named AirPlay.driver requires extending the sandbox for the IOKit user-client class AMDRadeonX4000_AMDAccelDevice.
    2/23/14 4:36:23.546 PM com.apple.audio.DriverHelper[194]: The plug-in named AirPlay.driver requires extending the sandbox for the IOKit user-client class AMDRadeonX4000_AMDAccelSharedUserClient.
    2/23/14 4:36:23.546 PM com.apple.audio.DriverHelper[194]: The plug-in named AirPlay.driver requires extending the sandbox for the IOKit user-client class AMDSIVideoContext.
    2/23/14 4:36:23.546 PM com.apple.audio.DriverHelper[194]: The plug-in named AirPlay.driver requires extending the sandbox for the IOKit user-client class IGAccelDevice.
    2/23/14 4:36:23.546 PM com.apple.audio.DriverHelper[194]: The plug-in named AirPlay.driver requires extending the sandbox for the IOKit user-client class IGAccelSharedUserClient.
    2/23/14 4:36:23.546 PM com.apple.audio.DriverHelper[194]: The plug-in named AirPlay.driver requires extending the sandbox for the IOKit user-client class IGAccelVideoContextMain.
    2/23/14 4:36:23.546 PM com.apple.audio.DriverHelper[194]: The plug-in named AirPlay.driver requires extending the sandbox for the IOKit user-client class IGAccelVideoContextMedia.
    2/23/14 4:36:23.546 PM com.apple.audio.DriverHelper[194]: The plug-in named AirPlay.driver requires extending the sandbox for the IOKit user-client class IGAccelVideoContextVEBox.
    2/23/14 4:36:23.546 PM com.apple.audio.DriverHelper[194]: The plug-in named AirPlay.driver requires extending the sandbox for the IOKit user-client class IOHIDParamUserClient.
    2/23/14 4:36:23.546 PM com.apple.audio.DriverHelper[194]: The plug-in named AirPlay.driver requires extending the sandbox for the IOKit user-client class IOSurfaceRootUserClient.
    2/23/14 4:36:23.547 PM com.apple.audio.DriverHelper[194]: The plug-in named AirPlay.driver requires extending the sandbox for the IOKit user-client class Gen6DVDContext.
    
    2/23/14 4:36:23.622 PM xpcproxy[209]: assertion failed: 13B42: xpcproxy + 3438 [EE7817B0-1FA1-3603-B88A-BD5E595DA86F]: 0x2
    
    2/23/14 4:36:23.000 PM kernel[0]: SMC::smcReadKeyAction ERROR IC0G kSMCBadArgumentError(0x89) fKeyHashTable=0x0xffffff8358b2e000
    2/23/14 4:36:23.000 PM kernel[0]: SMC::smcReadKeyAction ERROR IC0I kSMCBadArgumentError(0x89) fKeyHashTable=0x0xffffff8358b2e000
    2/23/14 4:36:23.000 PM kernel[0]: SMC::smcReadKeyAction ERROR IC0S kSMCBadArgumentError(0x89) fKeyHashTable=0x0xffffff8358b2e000
    2/23/14 4:36:23.000 PM kernel[0]: SMC::smcReadKeyAction ERROR IN1R kSMCBadArgumentError(0x89) fKeyHashTable=0x0xffffff8358b2e000
    2/23/14 4:36:23.000 PM kernel[0]: SMC::smcReadKeyAction ERROR IR1R kSMCBadArgumentError(0x89) fKeyHashTable=0x0xffffff8358b2e000
    2/23/14 4:36:23.000 PM kernel[0]: SMC::smcReadKeyAction ERROR VC0G kSMCBadArgumentError(0x89) fKeyHashTable=0x0xffffff8358b2e000
    2/23/14 4:36:23.000 PM kernel[0]: SMC::smcReadKeyAction ERROR VN1R kSMCBadArgumentError(0x89) fKeyHashTable=0x0xffffff8358b2e000
    2/23/14 4:36:23.000 PM kernel[0]: SMC::smcReadKeyAction ERROR Main kSMCBadArgumentError(0x89) fKeyHashTable=0x0xffffff8358b2e000
    
    2/23/14 4:36:24.011 PM com.apple.IconServicesAgent[240]: main Failed to composit image for binding VariantBinding [0x303] flags: 0x8 binding: FileInfoBinding [0x109] - extension: png, UTI: public.png, fileType: ????.
    
    2/23/14 4:36:24.012 PM quicklookd[238]: Warning: Cache image returned by the server has size range covering all valid image sizes. Binding: VariantBinding [0x203] flags: 0x8 binding: FileInfoBinding [0x103] - extension: png, UTI: public.png, fileType: ???? request size:64 scale: 1
    2/23/14 4:36:24.038 PM usernoted[212]: Notification (0) for presented_notifications missing for app_id 24!
    
    2/23/14 4:36:56.000 PM kernel[0]: CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page(0x1000): p=301[ksadmin] final status 0x0, allow (remove VALID)ing page
    2/23/14 4:36:56.000 PM kernel[0]: CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page(0x1000): p=304[ksadmin] final status 0x0, allow (remove VALID)ing page
    2/23/14 4:36:56.000 PM kernel[0]: CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page(0x1000): p=306[ksadmin] final status 0x0, allow (remove VALID)ing page
    
    2/23/14 4:37:37.969 PM mds_stores[110]: (Error) Permissions: Failed stat on perm journal with error 9
    
    2/23/14 4:42:05.966 PM Google Chrome Helper[2662]: Process unable to create connection because the sandbox denied the right to lookup com.apple.coreservices.launchservicesd and so this process cannot talk to launchservicesd. : LSXPCClient.cp #426 ___ZN26LSClientToServerConnection21setupServerConnectionEiPK14__CFDictionary_block_invoke() q=com.apple.main-thread
    2/23/14 4:42:05.966 PM Google Chrome Helper[2662]: Process unable to create connection because the sandbox denied the right to lookup com.apple.coreservices.launchservicesd and so this process cannot talk to launchservicesd.
    
    2/23/14 4:42:05.975 PM Google Chrome Helper[2662]: CGSLookupServerRootPort: Failed to look up the port for "com.apple.windowserver.active" (1100)
    2/23/14 4:42:06.135 PM Google Chrome Helper[2664]: Process unable to create connection because the sandbox denied the right to lookup com.apple.coreservices.launchservicesd and so this process cannot talk to launchservicesd. : LSXPCClient.cp #426 ___ZN26LSClientToServerConnection21setupServerConnectionEiPK14__CFDictionary_block_invoke() q=com.apple.main-thread
    2/23/14 4:42:06.135 PM Google Chrome Helper[2664]: Process unable to create connection because the sandbox denied the right to lookup com.apple.coreservices.launchservicesd and so this process cannot talk to launchservicesd.
    
    2/23/14 4:43:09.649 PM fontd[206]: BUG in libdispatch client: dispatch_mig_server: mach_msg() failed (ipc/send) invalid memory - 0x1000000c
    2/23/14 4:44:57.084 PM ntpd[58]: SYNC state ignoring -0.140461 s
    
    

    I'm seriously tired of this BS... Ok OSX boots in 8 seconds for me but then I have barely anything installed.

    Everytime I install an App I have to deal with all the headache. On Windows 8.1 performance is blazing fast. I don't have any hardware issue and I tried a clean boot.

    I only have iStats, Chrome, VLC and Microsoft office 2011 installed.

    I resized the windows partition and left the OSX with 40GB of space. Not gonna use it for some time...
     

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