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The should make it so the people using security keys to secure their Apple ID, need the security key to change the Apple ID password also.

How? You change it because you think someone knows your passcode, and change it, draw a blank, and forget the new one.
If you change your passcode to your phone, you’re not picking up your phones all day and enter it, it’s new.
Might want to get tested for alzheimer's or CTE if you manage to do that. That's wild.
 
How do you manage to forget a passcode? People pick up their phones all day long and enter it. How do you just.. forget?
Most people use FaceID to unlock their phone. Also...not everyone is perfect, or has perfect memory, especially for a newly entered secure password.
 
Terrible idea. Means that if your passcode is compromised (it can easily happen) your phone (including iCloud account password!!) is not secure for another 3 days after you change it.

I guess I’ll be changing the password twice in succession if this happens but most people won’t.

I still find it absolutely incredible that Apple only requires the passcode to change your iCloud password on the device and why they have still not addressed this huge security vulnerability with the very simply and obvious solution.

2 things...

Did you read the article? I don't think you did because it is secure and you can "forget previous password" as an option. This addresses the thing you're complaining about.

Lastly, why are you using pass CODE anyway in todays world? You should be using an alphanumeric password. It's not a vulnerability. It's a human flaw. Apple takes away passcode and only allows alphanumeric, people complain. Apple leaves the option for the user to make the choice, people complain of vulnerability because THEY, the USER chose the easy one.

The choice is really yours.
 
You should never use your passcode in public! FaceID is way better.
I’ve tried to do this after reading all these scare stories, but when your phone always makes you enter the password at least once a week (or whatever it is) then there inevitably comes a time when you're standing at a shop till waiting to pay, and you need to enter it.

There’s an option on your watch to unlock your phone with your watch, but even this doesn't override the need to enter it every now and then, which i think is daft.

What they should do is make you enter the 3rd, 6th and 9th letter, or whatever, so even if a thief is spying on you he still wont know the password
 
They should add ways to see your phone screen on other devices. That way if you get the black screen of death from say water damage or the like, you can back up your data if you haven’t previously.
like pluging it in via lightning to HDMI?
 
They should add ways to see your phone screen on other devices. That way if you get the black screen of death from say water damage or the like, you can back up your data if you haven’t previously.
Good luck turning the phone and authenticating. What kind of water damage? iPhone has pretty good water rating.
 
I’ve tried to do this after reading all these scare stories, but when your phone always makes you enter the password at least once a week (or whatever it is) then there inevitably comes a time when you're standing at a shop till waiting to pay, and you need to enter it.

There’s an option on your watch to unlock your phone with your watch, but even this doesn't override the need to enter it every now and then, which i think is daft.

What they should do is make you enter the 3rd, 6th and 9th letter, or whatever, so even if a thief is spying on you he still wont know the password
Why is it asking a PW before you pay for Apple Pay?
 
Most people use FaceID to unlock their phone. Also...not everyone is perfect, or has perfect memory, especially for a newly entered secure password.
It still occasionally asks for a passcode. Mine does it at least once a day.
 
I work in IT - you'd be surprised how many forget. :) Especially after just changing it.
Passwords I get. Every login (Facebook, Instagram, etc) has a different password, but a single 6 digit passcode you type all the time. That's just crazy to me.
 
How quickly people forget the days of pay phones. People would sometimes need to enter their credit card to make long distance calls. credit card shoulder skimmers were so good they could remember the 16 digit card number with just a glance. So it realy doesn’t matter how complex you make a passcode. What I say is go for the convenience.
 
I can’t answer for Apple, so I won’t state what I am saying as fact, as you appear to be doing, but I’d suggest this is meant for the average person who gets locked out by forgetting passwords. Not knowing, but making an assumption; Apple would have the figures of a vast number of people who don’t use iCloud for backup (which is a choice on setup) who forget their passwords, and want to somehow gain access to their data.

It’s a simple switch that can save someone’s data. Fortunately, you are now aware of this decision (if it is actually going to be toggled on by default in the final version) and you’ll know to make the settings changes along with any other of the multitude of choices you’ll have to make when installing the first full release of iOS17. So unless you forget about this article, it is no longer a security threat to you. Will you actually turn it off though? I’ll leave it on because I’m not paranoid about someone trying to access my iPhone and somehow knowing my password known only to my wife and I.
It will be disabled immediately after I upgrade, and I'll be informing my clients about the security concern as well.
 
Might want to get tested for alzheimer's or CTE if you manage to do that. That's wild.
Stuff happens, this is why they are call accidents. And so what if a person has Alzheimer’s? What’s your point?

Passwords I get. Every login (Facebook, Instagram, etc) has a different password, but a single 6 digit passcode you type all the time. That's just crazy to me.
Not everyone uses a 6 digit code (and people shouldn’t), mine is 15-20 random characters
 
Im assuming you're projecting here, my entire life does not indeed hinge on whether or not my phone is backed up to the cloud. I managed to make it for 3 weeks or so without it and it was quite refreshing.

In terms of backup, my free iCloud backup was full. So as of late, my photos, voice memos and voicemails weren't synced. Other than that everything else was backed up. On that note, I refuse to pay for the cloud when I really don't need it. I back up my photos on an external hard drive every few years. It just so happened that I didn't back it up before it took water damage. (yet apple claims water resistance up to 3 meters for 30 mins 🐂💩)

In my case the phone functioned as normal besides the screen. I could charge it, it would ring and i could make calls through other devices. However when I reset it, i was unable to enter my passcode afterwards and lost all of those functions besides receiving calls. Face ID was shot as well.

It's a simple precautionary measure I think that Apple overlooks but could be very beneficial and welcomed by the Apple community. Especially with 2 factor login as a norm now days all "texted" login codes were out the window until I got a loaner iPhone just yesterday.

Again a simple "screen mirror" option from the desired display device would be welcomed. In my case my iPad or mbp would have solved any issues but unfortunately you can only initiate a screen share from the projecting device not the receiving one. It does seem with this passcode feature that Apple is looking to expand on ways users can get back into their devices after user errors. My qualm may fall on deaf ears but you heard it here first lol
iCloud backups help because they're automatic. But if you're not using iCloud backups you can backup your iPhone to your computer with Finder on Mac or iTunes on Windows. You should do this periodically if you're not on iCloud, like let's say every week.

Also I believe you could plug an iPhone into the Lightning to HDMI adapter and plug in a monitor. Difficulty would be if you don't have a pointing device because if your touchscreen is borked you need a mouse or trackpad to interact with it. If you paired a mouse or trackpad before it might work, just turn on the mouse. If you haven't paired then you probably can't get it paired to work.
 
Stuff happens, this is why they are call accidents. And so what if a person has Alzheimer’s? What’s your point?


Not everyone uses a 6 digit code (and people shouldn’t), mine is 15-20 random characters
You probably aren't worried about an iPhone if you have Alzheimer's.
 
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