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trajen

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Such a great article with regard to how the general public would understand that the iPhone 4S is an unlocked "world phone". There are actually 4 different iPhone 4S models: AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, Apple.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcwebertobias/2011/12/22/how-u-s-carriers-fool-you-into-thinking-your-iphone-4s-is-unlocked/
 
They are world phones. The author of that article forgot a very important step, restore the iPhone with iTunes. It's iTunes and Apple that do the actual unlocking. All the carrier does is tell Apple to add the iPhone's unique number to the unlock database. Then when iTunes restores the iPhone it checks the database and preforms the necessary un/locking. If you ask your carrier to unlock the iPhone and not restore, its no different than having it still be locked.
 
There's one thing that even the author of this article didn't get right:

What consumers need to understand is that there are actually four different versions of the iPhone 4S: Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, and Apple. Only the Apple phone, available from their stores or on-line, is fully unlocked and can be used on any carrier.

While technically this is correct, in reality it's untrue. AT&T will activate an Apple-unlocked iPhone, but Sprint and Verizon will not. Not because the unlocked phone is incapable of working on those networks, but because Verizon and Sprint choose not to.

Verizon, Sprint and AT&T each have a database of MEIDs/IMEIs that match up with phones that are being sold for service on their network. In Verizon and Sprint's case, if you bring them a CDMA iPhone 4 or an unlocked 4S with a serial number that isn't in their database, they will decline to provide service to that phone. Even if it's unlocked.

To be fair, this policy of theirs isn't iPhone specific. Sprint has never allowed non-Sprint-specific phones to be activated on their network. You could take an identical CDMA phone from Verizon, which uses the same bands and is a spec-for-spec identical phone as something Sprint sells, and they still won't let you use it.

As for Verizon, they used to have an "approved" list of outside phones you could take to them to be activated, but it was a very short list, and the phones on that list were very bottom-rung dumbphones. At some point a while back the FCC pressured them to do this, and they did the absolute bare minimum to appease the FCC. Their excuse was that "extensive testing" needed to be done on each phone to ensure it would function properly on the network.... the same excuse Ma Bell used back in the day for making people rent landline phones, instead of letting them buy one, or for prohibiting people from using things like answering machines.

no one seems to have checked on what C-Spire's policy is though. They're small and regional, but if they are willing to fully unlock iPhones and/or take in unlocked iPhones, that would be a nice selling point for them.
 
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They should have said that it will work on any GSM carrier. AT&T, and small regional carriers like GCI in Alaska are fully compatible with it, and T-Mobile is semi-compatible with it. GCI will even give you $450 back if you buy an unlocked on from Apple and come into their store and activate it for two years... Clever route-around to avoid having to make a deal with Apple, so technically AT&T is still the exclusive iPhone carrier up there.
 
Even though none of the information is new, I am glad a non-techy website is getting into detail about the crappy unlocking policies that US carriers have
 
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I have a Sprint 4S. Sprint told me they WILL NOT unlock the SIM slot. The rep didn't give me a clear enough reason as to why. Frustrating.

I think it's a good article because it points out the fact that carriers are misleading consumers into thinking they will be able to do as they please with the SIM slot once outside the country.

I can't believe Verizon has the audacity to claim you are still under their terms of service while outside the U.S., jerks.
 
You agree that, to the extent applicable when using Other SIM Cards, Your use of the Global Phone remains subject to Your Verizon Wireless Customer Agreement, Calling Plan and Global Phone terms and conditions, including without limitation, the requirement to abide by all applicable foreign laws when using the Global Phone outside of the United States.
Sounds not applicable to me when using other SIM cards...
 
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I have a Sprint 4S. Sprint told me they WILL NOT unlock the SIM slot. The rep didn't give me a clear enough reason as to why. Frustrating.

I think it's a good article because it points out the fact that carriers are misleading consumers into thinking they will be able to do as they please with the SIM slot once outside the country.

I can't believe Verizon has the audacity to claim you are still under their terms of service while outside the U.S., jerks.

You need to talk to another Sprint rep, then complain about the previous rep. All of my 4Ss have been unlocked by them.
 
This is true if you use their service outside the U.S. What's wrong with that?

He misstated what the article quoted. The article referred to an excerpt that basically said users of VZW iPhones using 3rd part Sim cards outside of the US were still bound by the VZW ToS.
 
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I have a Sprint 4S. Sprint told me they WILL NOT unlock the SIM slot. The rep didn't give me a clear enough reason as to why. Frustrating.

I think it's a good article because it points out the fact that carriers are misleading consumers into thinking they will be able to do as they please with the SIM slot once outside the country.

I can't believe Verizon has the audacity to claim you are still under their terms of service while outside the U.S., jerks.


How long have you had your account and/or are you on a spending limit plan? Your account has to be paid in full, on time for over 90 days for them to unlock it and you can't have any account restrictions.
 
How long have you had your account and/or are you on a spending limit plan? Your account has to be paid in full, on time for over 90 days for them to unlock it and you can't have any account restrictions.

X 2. I just called and had a iPhone I bought today unlocked.
 
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I've only had an account since November 2nd so that's why. I could barely understand the damn rep anyway. Once the Dev Team finds an unlock I'm gonna sell this iPhone and cancel with Sprint. I can't stand the slow-ass 3G speeds.
 
Software unlocks are as useless for a CDMA phone as intelligence is for a religious fundamentalist.
 
Software unlocks are as useless for a CDMA phone as intelligence is for a religious fundamentalist.

There isn't a such thing as a CDMA unlock. CDMA carriers add the ESN/MEID to their database, phone gets reprogrammed for said carriers CDMA network. In the US, the Big CDMA carriers won't allow ESN/MEID's from outside phones on their network.

Now if you are talking about unlocking the International Roaming SIM slot on a CDMA phone, that's a different story and there is plenty of utility out of that.
 
There isn't a such thing as a CDMA unlock. CDMA carriers add the ESN/MEID to their database, phone gets reprogrammed for said carriers CDMA network. In the US, the Big CDMA carriers won't allow ESN/MEID's from outside phones on their network.

Now if you are talking about unlocking the International Roaming SIM slot on a CDMA phone, that's a different story and there is plenty of utility out of that.

Hahahaha I love how snarky people are in this forum. They respond with rude and dumb comments without actually comprehending what they are responding to. Of COURSE a software unlock for the SIM slot on a CDMA iPhone 4S. Duh. What else would I be talking about?
 
There isn't a such thing as a CDMA unlock. CDMA carriers add the ESN/MEID to their database, phone gets reprogrammed for said carriers CDMA network. In the US, the Big CDMA carriers won't allow ESN/MEID's from outside phones on their network.

Now if you are talking about unlocking the International Roaming SIM slot on a CDMA phone, that's a different story and there is plenty of utility out of that.

Hahahaha I love how snarky people are in this forum. They respond with rude and dumb comments without actually comprehending what they are responding to. Of COURSE a software unlock for the SIM slot on a CDMA iPhone 4S. Duh. What else would I be talking about?

Odd how you respond without actually knowing how things work. On a CDMA only mobile device there is no such thing as an unlock. You seem to have failed to read the last line of SporkLover's post as well. With this one line, SporkLover is noting that there is an unlock for the SIM slots on CDMA world phones. Your post only presents your lack of knowledge while insulting others.
 
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Intell said:
There isn't a such thing as a CDMA unlock. CDMA carriers add the ESN/MEID to their database, phone gets reprogrammed for said carriers CDMA network. In the US, the Big CDMA carriers won't allow ESN/MEID's from outside phones on their network.

Now if you are talking about unlocking the International Roaming SIM slot on a CDMA phone, that's a different story and there is plenty of utility out of that.

Hahahaha I love how snarky people are in this forum. They respond with rude and dumb comments without actually comprehending what they are responding to. Of COURSE a software unlock for the SIM slot on a CDMA iPhone 4S. Duh. What else would I be talking about?

Odd how you respond without actually knowing how things work. On a CDMA only mobile device there is no such thing as an unlock. You seem to have failed to read the last line of SporkLover's post as well. With this one line, SporkLover is noting that there is an unlock for the SIM slots on CDMA world phones. Your post only presents your lack of knowledge while insulting others.

I was referring to the 4S in my original post. CDMA or GSM iPhone 4S: there is a SIM slot that will (hopefully) eventually be software unlocked to accept ANY carrier. CDMA really doesn't have anything to do with it. It's not like the SIM tray is there just for fun.
 
X 2. I just called and had a iPhone I bought today unlocked.

I think sprint unlocked for international sims but not within US uses such AT&T or Tmobile. Try to see that is the case, if not then it is good to have Sprint Iphone 4s and unlock later.
 
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I have a Sprint 4S. Sprint told me they WILL NOT unlock the SIM slot. The rep didn't give me a clear enough reason as to why. Frustrating.

With Sprint, you probably won't get service in the US, so why do you expect to get service outside of the US? How about getting an unlocked one and getting on the real iPhone carrier?
 
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I have a Sprint 4S. Sprint told me they WILL NOT unlock the SIM slot. The rep didn't give me a clear enough reason as to why. Frustrating.

With Sprint, you probably won't get service in the US, so why do you expect to get service outside of the US? How about getting an unlocked one and getting on the real iPhone carrier?

Hahahaha good idea!
 
With Sprint, you probably won't get service in the US, so why do you expect to get service outside of the US?
Logic FAIL. Sprint's domestic network has nothing to do with coverage outside the US and that should be obvious.
 
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takeshi74 said:
With Sprint, you probably won't get service in the US, so why do you expect to get service outside of the US?
Logic FAIL. Sprint's domestic network has nothing to do with coverage outside the US and that should be obvious.

THAT WAS A JOKE, OBVS.
 
Hahahaha I love how snarky people are in this forum. They respond with rude and dumb comments without actually comprehending what they are responding to. Of COURSE a software unlock for the SIM slot on a CDMA iPhone 4S. Duh. What else would I be talking about?

No snarkiness intended. a statement about software unlocks for a CDMA phone, there isn't a such animal. Again, if we are talking them sim slot on the world phone, then i disagree with the statement about it being useless. There is plenty of use for an unlocked sim slot.
 
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