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I wished I was as naive as you, but considering that many parts of the country see walking down the street without being white a crime, it's not always that easy. Regardless, if the police have physical possession of your phone there's very little you can do, but it's also largely a moot point considering the NSA has direct server access to AT&T and other telecomms and can monitor all traffic that comes across their network. Also remember that you do not have to consent to search of your property or person if you are not being arrested. Know your rights and don't let the police try and intimidate you if you've done nothing wrong.

Here we go .... Gotta love the race card
 
Do you have any sources for that? I'd be interested in reading them. Thanks.

Innocent or not, the NSA is watching you

I have no doubt that there are law enforcement agencies that can hack the 4S and get the data off of it. Just because the jailbreak community isn't aware of any exploits doesn't mean that the people selling their services to the government for lots of money don't know a few tricks.
 
[BLEEP] the Police! Unless they serve you with a 'search warrant' to seize your phone from you, they can go [bleep] themselves!

You don't have to give them anything - better yet, don't even say anything. If they insists or try to intimidate you, start video recording them and threaten to call your lawyer. That always seems to work. :D
 
Old, tired and flawed argument.


Gee, I'm from Michigan, never had a problem with the cops bothering me for anything. But then again, I don't try to break the law. Don't give the cops reason to pull you over, stop you, etc, and they won't have the chance to snoop in your phone. And hell, they don't bother me and I have Ohio plates on my car, lol.


Besides, a cell phone is no different to any of your other possessions. They cannot search your phone without probable cause or a warrant, by law.
 
Gee, I'm from Michigan, never had a problem with the cops bothering me for anything. But then again, I don't try to break the law. Don't give the cops reason to pull you over, stop you, etc, and they won't have the chance to snoop in your phone. And hell, they don't bother me and I have Ohio plates on my car, lol.


Besides, a cell phone is no different to any of your other possessions. They cannot search your phone without probable cause or a warrant, by law.

It's a slippery slope though. Things like the patriot act get passed under the rationale of "if you don't have anything to hide, you've got nothing to worry about"
 
Innocent or not, the NSA is watching you

I have no doubt that there are law enforcement agencies that can hack the 4S and get the data off of it. Just because the jailbreak community isn't aware of any exploits doesn't mean that the people selling their services to the government for lots of money don't know a few tricks.

what is scary is that Google is doing all the dirty work on NSA behalf.
Google " Google NSA" for more links:)

http://rt.com/usa/news/nsa-epic-foia-court-413/
 
Use an iPhone 4S and keep the firmware up to date with a passcode turned on. They cannot get any of your information if you do that. Other devices that are currently invulnerable include the iPad 2 and 3.

False, Was at a convention last week in Washington DC (FOSE and GovSec) and they cracked my 4s that had a passcode in about 45 seconds. All they had to do was plug into the phone.

They had pictures, Cal, Contacts, incoming and outgoing calls (even the ones deleted) Voicemails and texts. They also have the ability to see texts from the app WhatsApp and Voxer.

was very enlightening

Intell has consistently been a good source of information. I'd like to see more third party information on lifeguard's claims. I also think there's confusion on folk's definition of "data".

With that said, the software from OP's link does not list the 4S or the iPad 2/3 on it's list of devices it can pull data from (per Intell's post) so instead of epoxy you can upgrade to a 4S. iExplorer and iFunBox do not work without iTunes installed (again confirming an Intell post).

Historically any ability to pull information from an iOS device has been well known and well documented. The latest devices are game changers and I believe that if the security can be bypassed we'd know about it. Especially with Vendors hawking the tools to do so and public conference demonstrations.
 
It's a slippery slope though. Things like the patriot act get passed under the rationale of "if you don't have anything to hide, you've got nothing to worry about"

Exactly the point. "If I have nothing to hide, you have no business with me"
 
Intell has consistently been a good source of information. I'd like to see more third party information on lifeguard's claims. I also think there's confusion on folk's definition of "data".

With that said, the software from OP's link does not list the 4S or the iPad 2/3 on it's list of devices it can pull data from (per Intell's post) so instead of epoxy you can upgrade to a 4S. iExplorer and iFunBox do not work without iTunes installed (again confirming an Intell post).

Historically any ability to pull information from an iOS device has been well known and well documented. The latest devices are game changers and I believe that if the security can be bypassed we'd know about it. Especially with Vendors hawking the tools to do so and public conference demonstrations.

http://www.cellebrite.com/

Just because the Jail braking crowd doesn't know about it doesn't make it fake. And talk about Arrogance, If you think there aren't things out there you don't know about then none can help you
 
The celebrite page is nice and all, but it doesn't say anything about being able to access an iPhone 4S' data. Only devices iPhone 2G though iPad 2 are listed. The iPad 2 is probably only a fluke in their listing as it would have to use the Safforn exploit that was patched with iOS 4.3.4.
 
The celebrite page is nice and all, but it doesn't say anything about being able to access an iPhone 4S' data. Only devices iPhone 2G though iPad 2 are listed. The iPad 2 is probably only a fluke in their listing as it would have to use the Safforn exploit that was patched with iOS 4.3.4.

REALLY? your going to be so arrogant as to say that their webpage is a FLUKE and that you are right?

OK HERO! YOUR RIGHT :)
 
I did read your post and I think that you are extremely arrogant to think that they made a mistake on their website just so you can be right. You can beat this dead horse all you want, but face it there are agencies and companies out there that are better funded, smarter and have more resources than you do so accept that there are other options outside your small world you live in
 
I did read your post and I think that you are extremely arrogant to think that they made a mistake on their website just so you can be right. You can beat this dead horse all you want, but face it there are agencies and companies out there that are better funded, smarter and have more resources than you do so accept that there are other options outside your small world you live in

These are probably the same people who think when you delete a file on your computer it's actually gone. Any amateur computer forensic data analyzer can easily extract forensic data from a mobile device password protected or not.
 
The celebrite page is nice and all, but it doesn't say anything about being able to access an iPhone 4S' data. Only devices iPhone 2G though iPad 2 are listed. The iPad 2 is probably only a fluke in their listing as it would have to use the Safforn exploit that was patched with iOS 4.3.4.

I'm sure there are undisclosed vulnerabilities and exploits. Heck, we know the dev-team is sitting on an exploit that they won't release because they're unsure of how to do it legally. Who's to say that some other hacker group or team of security researchers can't discover similar vulns?
 
http://www.cellebrite.com/

Just because the Jail braking crowd doesn't know about it doesn't make it fake. And talk about Arrogance, If you think there aren't things out there you don't know about then none can help you

I'm not sure if your post was directed at me, but I left out my own opinions so as to not focus on those which apparently didn't work. Those opinions include what an organization with unlimited resources is likely capable of.

Moving on, as I mentioned in my previous post, Cellebrite is the software mentioned in the OP's article link. It is curious that UFED Logical supports a device that the UFED Analyzer doesn't. They both have a 30 day free trial and YouTube videos so I'm going to give them a try. Heck, I've sent an e-mail to them asking specific questions.

I'm simply looking for more information. My position is not so strongly entrenched and I recognize my limited knowledge in this subject matter so I'm going to keep looking around out of interest and not rely on this thread to be the definitive source of information. And neither is one Vendor's.
 
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