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Flowbee said:
The question remains... does anyone really want an HP ipod?
Yeah, why not?!

Think of all those HP users that would like to have a MP3 device that matches their computer.

Or better yet, how about those who can purchase a HP branded iPod cheapter than the regular iPod when they purchase one bundled with their next computer.

IMHO, this is great news. While the iPod/iPod Mini has been a smashing success (capturing around 70% of the market), the market is still relatively undeveloped. Sure they are dominate now, but what about the future as the market expands? Apple is going in the right direction. They need to continue to expand with the market.

Sushi
 
nagromme said:
Apple's motives:

1. They make the HPods, and pocket the cash.

2. Yet another place to sell iPods--Apple's always looking for more strategic partners.

3. Sales to people who wouldn't touch an Apple logo but swoon at the names like "HP" and "Dell."

4. Part of the deal in which HP put iTunes on their machines (and Compaqs).

HP's motives:

1. They wanted to get into music, both as an image thing and for profit. Apple already had something better than they could ever do alone. They knew it, and persuaded Apple to work out a deal.
Very well put!

Makes sense for Apple and HP.

Sushi
 
Dr. Dastardly said:
I still don't understand why HP would want to do this. People associate the iPod with white. At least I think so.
I wonder what all those who purchase an iPod Mini think?

Just because Apple can't keep enough of them in stock, doesn't mean they are popular I guess...

Sushi
 
Apple products sold outside the US typically cost more than their US counterparts. The hPod may be cheaper than the iPod here in NZ, in which case I might finally get one. I almost bought an iPod the other day, but I decided to hold off until the G4s came out. A few days later they did come out - at an increased price. Needless to say, I didn't get one. But hopefully I'll be getting an hPod soon :)
 
Yep, it adds distribution. It also adds up to a whole bunch of product that Apple can sell but won't have to support (reminiscent of the black Apple II+ units from the 80s).

It could also be serving as a trial balloon. If the iPod experience is positive, perhaps other Apple products will be resold through HP as well. That would be kind of fitting in a way; if HP had been less risk-averse, Apple would have been one of their divisions.
 
I found this a bit surprising. I had assumed, when the 4G iPods came out, that hp would be getting the 3G. This made PERFECT sense to me, as hp could buy these at a reduced price from Apple, sell them for less, but not hurt Apple's sales, while still increasing Apple's penetration and mindshare.

"Hey, this little mp3 player that came with my hp for an extra 150 bucks is WELL COOL, but isn't it based on that Apple player? And WOAH look at the new features on that one!"

*begins lusting after 4G iPod*

Of course, if Apple's keeping the 4G "cool stuff" under wraps, maybe it's because the hPod gets hobbled and only Apple's iPod gets the software upgrade to flick the switches?
 
Somehow I wonder how this will be marketed. I imagine a lot of people will think HP just ripped off Apple. And about the color thing, do people really care about matching peripherals with their computer? Does this mean I'd have to buy a strawberry iMac if I want to get a pink mini? (;))
 
MacFan26 said:
Somehow I wonder how this will be marketed. I imagine a lot of people will think HP just ripped off Apple.
The two companies have already been jointly marketing the player, and I would expect that to continue.
And about the color thing, do people really care about matching peripherals with their computer?
Sure. It's more about making the thing look like an HP product than having it match any particular HP or Compaq system.
Does this mean I'd have to buy a strawberry iMac if I want to get a pink mini? (;))
You're supposed to buy a new G5 and have the cabinet re-dyed.
 
MacFan26 said:
Somehow I wonder how this will be marketed. I imagine a lot of people will think HP just ripped off Apple. And about the color thing, do people really care about matching peripherals with their computer? Does this mean I'd have to buy a strawberry iMac if I want to get a pink mini? (;))[/QUOTE/

Right MacFan26! This is something that's hardly ever mentioned.
Who really cares about matching things on their desks?
Often contrast is better. Or does anyone think a white tie should be worn with a white shirt?
 
New Features in 4th Gen

Perhaps this is the new secret of 4th Gen iPOD, HP will work on ability to print jpg picture from HPOD to their Printer, wouldn't it be cool...without having to connect to computer?

Perhaps thru USB port connection.

RSA
 
quackattack said:
i know i wouldn't want an ipod that said HP on it. apple certianly wouldn't allow this to have any features that the current ipods don't have.

this is simply a marketing move to get a new distribution channel for the ipod. i hope it doesn't backfire and cheapen the ipod's image.

I'm very sorry to claim that but I guess it will cheapen the iPod's image.. I guess we all deserve a keynote, explaning why Apple did this.. there should be a reason other than "englarging the market domineance bla bla bla" :(
 
rsanuri said:
Perhaps this is the new secret of 4th Gen iPOD, HP will work on ability to print jpg picture from HPOD to their Printer, wouldn't it be cool...without having to connect to computer?

Perhaps thru USB port connection.

RSA

I dont care about the printer connection thing.. every brand can do i without making a new xPod by making a deal with Apple..

everyone, go get a 128 USB memory, dont dirty your iPods..
 
AliensAreFuzzy said:
I don't see why this is happening...
It doesn't make sense at all...
WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?!?!

ok. to all of you who don't see why this is happening:
apple keeps telling the world that the music store is barely making profit and that it's all about iPod sales. this is not the (whole) truth.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC STORE!!!
Apple has to assure, that the iPod (or derivates of it like hPod) gets
absolute market dominance. THEN the game will turn around and all
those millions of iPods, hPods will driver the MUSIC STORE!
This game is about Online-Music Dominance, not Player colors....
 
MacFan26 said:
I imagine a lot of people will think HP just ripped off Apple.
I believe that there will be an HP logo on the back side, but also a reference to Apple. Additionally, the start up screen will show the Apple Logo.

Additionally, HP held a press conference where they explained what they would be doing with Apple and the iPod.

So while I understand your concern, I doubt that it will be an issue.

Sushi
 
Link?

Isn;t there some sort of link between the HP iPod and another product from HP, which might be an accesorie for the secret that lies inside the new iPod.

i don't like the blue colour hp use so im not gonna buy one but i cannot wait to see the secret feature of the iPod. :D :D :D
 
BornAgainMac said:
Maybe to match their HP computers. I bet some people will like it. White matches most of the Macs except for the Powermac/books.

my point wasn't that nobody would buy those, it was just my own opinion. also I think the white blends well with the aluminum -- the iPods have some metal on them too.

as someone already said it's probably a good way of expanding Apple's distribution channels to licence the iPod to HP. I don't really see opening their doors just a little bit as a bad thing. They mustn't make the same mistakes as they made before. Still I don't vote for porting all the software on windows etc.. iPod just seems to be the way to PC people's hearts.
 
Blue to match HP desktops??

I'm not sure why people think an HP-blue iPod will match HP computers. I have a three month old HP (strictly for PC gaming) and it is not blue. It's a rather boring two-tone grey color. Blue would only match the inset of the HP logo on the front -- smaller than the size of a dime.

I really don't like the idea of HP branded iPods, but it's going to help the market share and we (Apple) have had problems with this in the past. So I guess if it's a move which makes the best technology the predominant technology, I'm all for it...sort of.
 
Some Tidbits

Ok, first of all this makes sense for HP because they have a whole strategy of integrating media and stuff. With their cameras, printers, scanners, computers, etc... it makes logical sense to want to have a music player. They actually trumpeted out a souped up iPod many months ago to their employees, basically iPod with extra features. Days later (not weeks, days), Carly Fiorina brought out the blue iPod. Why? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. HP had plans for a music store too, but when they saw Apple dominating, they jumped on the bandwagon. HP has some cool stuff too, and it can fit in, especially the speculation on secret features.

Like the ability to play photo slideshows directly on a TV? Right now, HP is limited to just 256mb or 512mb of photos for a slideshow with no music, if you run their cameras directly to a TV or through their dock. If the new iPods can't be connected directly to a media source for photo slideshows (as has been speculated by sources that cracked open the new ones), how about the new iPod docks? No one has cracked open the new iPod docks yet. There could be more to the new docks being for new iPods only besides the different size, like the extra ability to hook it up to a TV. And of course it's an iPod, so it can play music, and hold 20 or 40GB worth of photos. And HP also has room for camera docks on top of their Media Center PCs. Maybe they'll find room for iPod docks too. Media Centers also have those funky external USB hard drives that mount right on the computer. HP has so much to offer to this deal to Apple, Apple would be foolish not to take it. This is just one great example. Printing photos directly off the iPod with a dock-to-USB cable could be another. I don't know, I'm only speculating, and hoping for the best.

There's room for strategic partnership goodies here, and even if Apple and HP work on a simple cable to connect cameras to iPods, it's better than the reviews I've seen of the Belkin products. It will not be cheaper than Apple iPods, at best the same price. HP has to pay money to Apple. You will now have an ally for Apple that will get iPods into more hands if they're buying it with their HP computer that's preloaded with iTunes on the desktop AND Windows Media Player with the MS Music Store. Suddenly, these HP customers can't use the MS store because it won't work with the iPod they bought with their computer. MASSIVE plus for Apple. When you're being sold an HP computer in the store, what are you going to buy? A Dell player? A Napster player? No, you're going to buy an HP player because you're guaranteed it'll work with your computer (white be damned. If you're a computer amateur [parents of college students for some reason always are], you want the easiest to set up).

Apple is signing up these strategies for a reason. If not their product in the masses' hands, it's their licensed format in the masses' hands, and their allies' money coming to them. There was that blog finding the logic in the Motorola deal. Nokia took their sides, Sony Ericsson probably will go Sony Connect. Everyone is going the Windows Media route except Apple and HP. There is great logic in this, just have faith in Apple and trust HP will do their best to help them.

And those are my 2 cents and then some!
 
I was also wondering why apple would let HP resell a rebranded iPod but some analyst think it's a good move. Maybe it's just to keep the iPod dominance ... HP was smart and didn't want to waste R&D money to develop a iPod killer cuz they know they can't. Next, HP said we'll install iTunes on all of our millions of PC's if you let us resell a rebranded iPod.

I just hope this doesn't cause anymore iPod 4G shortages.
 
Well, it's already being advertised. I work at Radioshack, and the new newspaper inserts were put on display with a little box in the corner reading "iPod + HP! Coming soon to a radioshack near you!" As the only mac user on staff, this had me confused until I read that news article.
 
Nermal said:
Apple products sold outside the US typically cost more than their US counterparts.

Yep, true. 4G iPod prices in the Apple (Web) Stores, Finnish and US, 20 GB 299 USD, but 339€. 40 GB is 399 USD, but 449€. Not a big change in numbers, but taking into account that one US dollar is around 80 € cents, the price gets up quite much. I'm not sure does the US Store have VAT, I guess not. Finnish Apple Store has a 22% VAT (standard in Finland). That explains some, and the "free shipping for over 100€ orders" might be payed in the price. Same thing in computers, see for yourself.
US Store Finnish Store

The hPod sounds like ok, though I'm surprised that it was after all a 4G. The HP model will though make the iPod look cheaper, but HP blue isn't bad. I think it'll be in the same blue that the deskjet 5150 printer, that is a very good printer indeed, have it right next me. Makes sense it to have the hp-blue, the computers look like that too. Now that the HP computers have iTunes bundled, the hPod makes sense. We'll see what this'll become.
 
Dr. Dastardly said:
I still don't understand why HP would want to do this. People associate the iPod with white. At least I think so.

i see where you're coming from, but the blue ipod will make some good press for hp. apple is allowing hp to make the hpod their own (kind of), which should be a plus for hp; and apple keeps the best design for themselves, which should be a plus for apple.

also, the hardcore pc people (or the people that are barely computer literate that are very scared of anything that says "apple") will feel safe because it looks different. maybe.
 
And trust me, there are plenty of people out there who think they can't get an iPod because they use windows. I run into them every day.
 
Timing of announcements, releases

A couple of notes from Apple's web site:

First, in Store > Promos, Apple shows four promotions and all four ending on September 25, 2004: (1) Panther+iLife, (2) Final Cut Express 2, (3) HP printers, and (4) .mac. I would expect that Apple would begin some new promotions the following week, but I wouldn't think they'd begin a promo on a product three weeks after releasing it; the promo is usually immediate.

Second, in Store > iMac, Apple says the new iMac "will be announced and available in September." The Apple Expo keynote is August 31, which is, of course, not in September. I wouldn't be splitting hairs if Apple didn't specifically say "announced and available in September." Is the careful choice of words supposed to tell us something? Then again, Steve did search for "Paris" and "iMac" in his last keynote. I fully expect the iMac to be announced in the keynote, but the word choice is a bit weird.

As far as other products, I've only seen confirmation of iSight 2.
 
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