I wonder how time machine backups will work over a network? At present, time machine doesn't officialy support networked volumes (even using the terminal command to let you try and backup onto a network volume, - fails anyway) If it will work for the Media server, why not for all network volumes in general?
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I wonder how time machine backups will work over a network? At present, time machine doesn't officialy support networked volumes (even using the terminal command to let you try and backup onto a network volume, - fails anyway) If it will work for the Media server, why not for all network volumes in general?
Maybe not officially, but there are plenty of ways to do it. You can find info even at Apple's discussion forum which have many posts describing it. If it isn't official, they surely don't care that you can do it.
True. I love the price. Most other enclosures like that which can handle four bays come at a higher price tag and without a HDD.
I would love to have one to handle my non-professional backups.
I can picture it now: A 40gb device to stream video, a router/network storage device with a 500gb-1tb capacity, and a separate iTunes server with a similar capacity. Every gadget nerds dream to have 3+ devices that have one drive each that can not be replaced all perfroming less than the functions available by such a device listed in this article that has 4 drives that can be replaced or added to whenever ones needs grow.
Apple's continued idea of "just buy a new device when you need to upgrade, or just pay the $3000 to get something you can upgrade" may work well enough for them in their computer lineups, but that philosophy will never last in the network storage/streaming area where people's needs are continually expanding on a day to day/week to week basis, not just every 4-6 years as with the life of a computer.
HA!
Apple hasn't even put 4 month old technology into their pro machines. I doubt they will care enough about a media server for iTunes. I am sure they just want you to use Apple TV and adjust/change your own lifestyle to fit the needs of the machine.
Apple doesn't compete or innovate anymore, they just hypnotize.
So let me get this strait...this porduct is useless if i have a house full of Mac's and no PC's?
Why even buy a mac? You can build one using <insert post about computer parts here> and get it for <insert some cost comparison jargon here> less and just install os x youself.
Heck, why even buy a computer in the first place? Why don't I just purchase a few electronic parts and solder my own machine.
People do so because they don't want hassles or just simply don't know/care.
My mistake. I thought it did have iTunes server ability. I currently have a D-Link DNS-323 which has a browser based administrator, so I can do everything on the Mac. It has 2 drive bays, iTunes server, bittorrent and ftp server, etc.
I disagree...So your saying that the iPhone and Unibody MB/MBP and all the products apple have came out with the last few years aren't innovative?
Yes actually. The only thing new to the cell phone market about the iPhone is the UI/OS. Nothing else.
The only thing new about the unibody books are the use of a single aluminum piece to fab a laptop. It's been done with other products before for years.
I am glad that Apple did it, but others are making faster, more capable machines while Apple is just making theirs thinner, cooler, and more expensive.
The last time Apple has been truly innovative was with the design aspects of the machines, and many would disagree with that.
The OS on these boxes, Windows Home Server, is based on Windows Small Business Server.
Although it's not listed as compatible on the downloads page, I can't see why iTunes couldn't be installed on it and then it could be the central server for macs, PC's and Apple TV's with my Mac accessing it as a shared library.
I am waiting for the refreshed box to released in the UK then I'll be getting one.
I've ordered the trial version of WHS from MS and I am going to install it on a box I have to see if iTunes will go on it.
Personally, I think this is an ideal product and what I need at home. One of the biggest benefits I see to this as well is the anywhere access via a homeserver.com domain MS give you with the OS.
Shame Apple didn't release one on Tuesday as the rumours suggested.
A previous poster asked if they would release the software for older models. I have read it somewhere HP will be releasing the updates for their current MediaSmart server. Windows Home Server can be purchased as OEM software from eBuyer (in the UK) or NewEgg in the US.
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Although it's not listed as compatible on the downloads page, I can't see why iTunes couldn't be installed on it and then it could be the central server for macs, PC's and Apple TV's with my Mac accessing it as a shared library.
I am waiting for the refreshed box to released in the UK then I'll be getting one.
I've ordered the trial version of WHS from MS and I am going to install it on a box I have to see if iTunes will go on it.
Personally, I think this is an ideal product and what I need at home. One of the biggest benefits I see to this as well is the anywhere access via a homeserver.com domain MS give you with the OS.
Shame Apple didn't release one on Tuesday as the rumours suggested.
A previous poster asked if they would release the software for older models. I have read it somewhere HP will be releasing the updates for their current MediaSmart server. Windows Home Server can be purchased as OEM software from eBuyer (in the UK) or NewEgg in the US.
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Yes and no. Sure you can try Bootcamp if that's an option for you. If it ends up not working, there's nothing they will do to help as it isn't supported; so just wait till someone else tries it out. Also, I refuse to believe that you don't have any friends or family that don't have a PC that you could borrow for a day in order to set the device up.
Hmm...good points, still disagree, but i guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
SATA is already obsolete!
If you are making decisions on where SATA might be in 5 years consider that it is already possible to make SSD that are to fast for SATA. Or to put it another way SATA limits how fast data can be transfered from modern storage devices. In any event in 5 years you would likely want a new server anyways as things are always moving forward technology wise.
Personally I'm not sure why such devices have much appeal if offered up without some sort of data security, either through RAID tech or other means. I'm just not convinced that a server / back up device should be based on a single magnetic hard disk. This is one thing that keeps me from buying any of Apples offerings right now.
As to price the cheap way to do a server is to repurpose one of your old computers given that it can handle a new set of drives, and runs Linux reasonably well. Thats my approach for now. Though I have to admit that things like Drobo that are purpose built have their appeal to.
Dave
If you are making decisions on where SATA might be in 5 years consider that it is already possible to make SSD that are to fast for SATA. Or to put it another way SATA limits how fast data can be transfered from modern storage devices. In any event in 5 years you would likely want a new server anyways as things are always moving forward technology wise.
Personally I'm not sure why such devices have much appeal if offered up without some sort of data security, either through RAID tech or other means. I'm just not convinced that a server / back up device should be based on a single magnetic hard disk. This is one thing that keeps me from buying any of Apples offerings right now.
As to price the cheap way to do a server is to repurpose one of your old computers given that it can handle a new set of drives, and runs Linux reasonably well. Thats my approach for now. Though I have to admit that things like Drobo that are purpose built have their appeal to.
Dave
Sorry if I was unclear. No I needed to 'defaults write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1' or whatever is to allow backups on a network volume - it worked very well with afp, I havn't used an appliance that comes close to it's speed.
I don't actually use time machine, I havn't tested it with iscsi either, which I'm sure would work well - I find rsync (and zfs snapshots) better in every way.
It's got itunes/daap support, but I've no idea how comprehensive it is (firefly I think?), I don't use any of that rubbish
I use a 1TB Time Capsule today as a complete iTunes media server and, of course, for Time Machine backup. Just set your iTunes database location as the time Capsule disk (set in iTunes preferences) and copy your iTunes folder to that location. Set all your macs to have iTunes use the library located in the folder. This works well with a caveat... if you are doing a Apple TV wireless sync you may have some playback issues if you are simultaneously trying to stream video to the Apple TV. A workaround is to connect a ethernet cable to the mac connected to Apple TV.
I connect a second HD to a USB hub connected to the Time Capsule to regularly back up data on the TC server. This solution is also hundreds of dollars cheaper than the HP server, has a much smaller footprint, work on a Mac without having to use Windows first and looks a hell of a lot better than this HP thing.
I connect a second HD to a USB hub connected to the Time Capsule to regularly back up data on the TC server. This solution is also hundreds of dollars cheaper than the HP server, has a much smaller footprint, work on a Mac without having to use Windows first and looks a hell of a lot better than this HP thing.
I have a broken down MacBook that shares out a 500GB firewire drive via AFP. All the Macs in the house can use it for Timefinder. So I'm not sure where you are going with that.
For more power, FreeNAS (FreeBSD based appliance) can share files to Windows and Mac, and has a built-in iTunes-compatible media server that can share out one or more of your directories as an iTunes library. Free software, just supply the hardware. And with ZFS in their next major version, growing your library into bigger drives should become trivial.