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html5 is buggy as hell. Internet explorer does not even support it.

Firefox/mozilla version of video play back is totally different than Safari/Chrome/Webkit version. It's not a agreed upon standard at all, much less working great.

Plus Html 5 is just a way to imbed video content into a browser, so were back to figuring out if you have the right format player and the right codecs and installed to even watch any video.


HTML5 can't do half of what flash can do as far as animation, and creating interactive content goes. Plus what's worse there are no tools like "Flash Creative Suite" to even have content creators and designers to even get started on making sites and such in html5.

Right now html5 is garbage with a bright future. But not very usable today.'


Do you people realize how boring the web would be if Flash was never created? It would be a world of static plain text. But I guess some of you like that.

Isn't that a definition of a$$-backwards?
IE is BEHIND other browsers in HTML5 feature implementation. It isn't all or nothing.

Go through some of the documentation plus demos, and learn some, you'll be surprised. Can provide links if you want, but most people can Google
HTML5 demo
You'll need a modern browser though ;)
 
Isn't that a definition of a$$-backwards?
IE is BEHIND other browsers in HTML5 feature implementation. It isn't all or nothing.

Go through some of the documentation plus demos, and learn some, you'll be surprised. Can provide links if you want, but most people can Google
HTML5 demo
You'll need a modern browser though ;)

Hmm do I create content that 59 percent of the users can't use (Internet Explorer users) Or do I create with a plug in that 99 percent of users have (flash).

Flash makes more sense.

So one blog post, which is an opinion piece with no references cited?

I guess I could take the time out and find facts and figures.

But nobody has done that on here in support of html5.

But that does not stop people from yelling HTML 5 in every post about Flash.

Shoot for video on the web I actually prefer quicktime.

Still even if html 5 was the greatest thing ever it is still no excuse for not having Flash. Allot of websites are made completely in flash.
 
I guess I could take the time out and find facts and figures.

But nobody has done that on here in support of html5.

But that does not stop people from yelling HTML 5 in every post about Flash.

Shoot for video on the web I actually prefer quicktime.

Still even if html 5 was the greatest thing ever it is still no excuse for not having Flash. Allot of websites are made completely in flash.

Those who make their websites completely in Flash are fools.
 
Those who make their websites completely in Flash are fools.

Well maybe back in the day when allot of people didn't have flash installed.

but today it works on most peoples PC's. Shoot almost every promo site for a movie is all flash.

The real disadvantage is the browser back buttons not working right and not showing up in search engines.


But here's a question? if HUlU decided to make there website in html5 and then Apple blocked it's use. How would you feel?
 
But here's a question? if HUlU decided to make there website in html5 and then Apple blocked it's use. How would you feel?

Is this based on the assumption that Apple is blocking Flash to boost their App Store revenue?

Why would Apple block the use of Hulu, or HTML5?
 
That is so not true. HTML5 is not buggy at all.
Agreed; Chaos123x probably actually meant to say that certain web browser' support for HTML5 may be buggy as hell. Specifically in reference to Internet Explorer, given the fact that Microsoft hasn't put any effort into supporting HTML5 at all yet, it should come as no surprise to anybody that websites designed around HTML5 don't work correctly in IE.

That doesn't say anything about whether or not HTML5 is inherently buggy, it's simply an observation of the level of some software vendors' adoption of HTML5.

To be fair though, HTML5 is not actually a ratified Web standard yet, so it may change before it is officially adopted. Thus, anyone's claims of support for it must be interpreted as "interim" or "beta" at best. Ratification might happen this year, or perhaps in 2011 at the latest.

And you don't have to mess with codecs, a browser that supports HTML5 will already have the correct codec installed with the browser.
Not necessarily. As pointed out previously, HTML5 in its current form doesn't say anything about the codec, so different browsers have adopted different codecs so far.

As long as this situation persists, we'll be left with at least two different camps on the codec issue, each with largely valid and correct interpretations of HTML5, but neither of which will properly render content which was coded for the the other camp's browsers.

Right now the only major browser that "does it all" is Google Chrome, which supports both H.264 and OGG Theora in its <video> tags.

Maybe the browsers' plugin architecture could be used to install support for additional codecs in the back-end, while still maintaining a clean, consistent <video> tag at the front-end.
 
This is HTML5 and runs fine on my 3GS

http://jilion.com/sublime/video

That is really beautiful.... So much better than Adobe Flash

html5 is buggy as hell. Internet explorer does not even support it.

Firefox/mozilla version of video play back is totally different than Safari/Chrome/Webkit version. It's not a agreed upon standard at all, much less working great.

Plus Html 5 is just a way to imbed video content into a browser, so were back to figuring out if you have the right format player and the right codecs and installed to even watch any video.


HTML5 can't do half of what flash can do as far as animation, and creating interactive content goes. Plus what's worse there are no tools like "Flash Creative Suite" to even have content creators and designers to even get started on making sites and such in html5.

Right now html5 is garbage with a bright future. But not very usable today.'


Do you people realize how boring the web would be if Flash was never created? It would be a world of static plain text. But I guess some of you like that.

Do you work for Adobe?
 
No you can't "run" safari, but the screen shot I posted is using a UIWebView, which is safari with out the top address bar. Embedded HTML5 video can play in safari on the iPad. It can't auto play, because as far as I know there is no auto play function for HTML5 video tag, there is only a auto buffer (Which is what I prefer).

Well that is great news. There is an autoplay attribute in HTML5, just use autoplay instead of autobuffer, and it autobuffers then starts playing. If you could try that in UIWebView and see if it works it would be much appreciated!
 
html5 is buggy as hell. Internet explorer does not even support it.

Firefox/mozilla version of video play back is totally different than Safari/Chrome/Webkit version. It's not a agreed upon standard at all, much less working great.

Plus Html 5 is just a way to imbed video content into a browser, so were back to figuring out if you have the right format player and the right codecs and installed to even watch any video.

It is quite possible right now to create a webpage that defaults to html5 for the good browsers and uses a flashplayer to play the mp4 in flash to IE. OK, you have to have 2 encodes of the video file on your server(mp4, theora), but hopefully soon that will be sorted. It's only buggy as hell if you write it that way! (ie, are lazy)
 
Well that is great news. There is an autoplay attribute in HTML5, just use autoplay instead of autobuffer, and it autobuffers then starts playing. If you could try that in UIWebView and see if it works it would be much appreciated!

Here is a quick screen recording of using the HTML5 video playing in the browser, going full screen and rotating the device: http://uploadingit.com/d/ZTICUMO4ZEFY35TF

Autoplay does not seem to work. I tried doing it a few different ways, but could not get it to work. After thinking tho, its probably a good thing that there is no autoplay because if there was then just a small number of videos could really suck up some bandwidth. Possibly blowing though someones 250MB cap on 3G.
 
Here is a quick screen recording of using the HTML5 video playing in the browser, going full screen and rotating the device: http://uploadingit.com/d/ZTICUMO4ZEFY35TF
Autoplay does not seem to work. I tried doing it a few different ways, but could not get it to work. After thinking tho, its probably a good thing that there is no autoplay because if there was then just a small number of videos could really suck up some bandwidth. Possibly blowing though someones 250MB cap on 3G.

Thanks for the video, at least it doesn't leave the main page to play. I see your point about autoplay, I've just been using it lately for very small looping videos.
 
READ

http://blog.iqinteractive.com/?p=338



No but how many great animators do you know that are also excellent code writers?

There needs to be a suite or program that lets creative people "create" otherwise the only people making the animation will be programmers and coders.

Flash is really easy for anyone to create content in, and if you are more advanced you can always write your own code using action script.

The only truly interesting and worth-while Flash things I've seen on the internet have been those developed over time, undoubtedly with 100% hand coded script; in my opinion (and I speak from experience) the Flash studio tools are buggy and only good for producing basic animations by anyone who is not going to get into scripting, which makes it worthless as the same could easily be achieved using CSS with no proprietary browser extensions or plugins necessary.

As for Flash video, it's the bane of the internet as far as I'm concerned and there's no good reason why anyone should use it. With integrated mobile devices becoming more popular (not just iPad or iPhone, but like it or not they are and probably will remain the market leaders) a buggy plugin such as Flash Player is a hang-on from the PC mentality of old and has no place in this new world. I've seen some excellent examples of websites with streaming video that do work on the iPad and desktop no problem - if they can do it without the ubiquitous Flash then so can everyone else. That's not to mention the constant stream of updates that seem to come out for Flash Player (and also Adobe Reader - another pet hate of mine), why so many? Security issues and bugs are the only answers I can come up with, and I don't want that on my devices thanks. Adobe / Macromedia are poor developers in my opinion, always have been, especially considering how much their software costs; frankly there's better freeware available these days.
 
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