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Seeing as the market for folding phones grew almost 50% over the past year I’d say they are doing fine, but it doesn’t fit a triggered apple fans agenda like yours so it makes sense

That could be going from 2 to 3 whole customers!

Statistics is all about how you tell 'em
 
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The Beijing store design is interesting comparison.

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Huawei Flagship Store Beijing by Superimpose Architecture is an interior design project featuring a contemporary reinterpretation of ancient Beijing’s landmarks. The layout of the store has been carefully organized as a series of sequential spaces, inspired by the sequence of squares, scale variation, and symmetry found in ancient Chinese architecture. The facade, inspired by the city’s undulating rooflines, is replicated into graceful curves.

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Ever seen a Apple flagship Store with cars on display?

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And it very much resembles Apples luxurious look and feel. I’m very curious how people respond if not Huawei was written on the front but it had an Apple logo. People would go crazy to see Apple introducing an EV.

In reality Apple spend billions of dollars on project titan and thousends of their engineers were busy for years on the project. But Apple wasn’t capable making one like Huawei did.

What if Apple spent those billions and thousands of engineers making their hard and software great again?

I guess the iPhone 16 lineup would get more excitement and their AI was ready.

They should fire Timmy for the failure and losing billions alone. Not alone the lack of progression in Mac, iPads, iPhones software and services.
 
So now you can have not just one crease but two creases in your phone screen, thanks but no thanks.
Just bc Apple chooses not to doesn’t make the technology bad. Everyone has a different tolerance. Apple customers want Apple to move slow and make it work every time. Others want someone to move fast and break things. Old Apple moved fast but then it got big and its fans got older and less tolerant to breaks. So Apple evolved too. 100 million devices got out at once bc Apple released a bad update would be a disaster. 10 million folding iPhones with a 10-15% breaking would be expensive. Samsung. By comparison is happy selling 100k-2 million of these folds.

People forget the scale of Apple. They don’t make as many devices but everything they make sells hundreds of thousands and much more often tens of millions. The scale of producing cutting edge devices is astronomical at that point.
 
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Just bc Apple chooses not to doesn’t make the technology bad. Everyone has a different tolerance. Apple customers want Apple to move slow and make it work every time. Others want someone to move fast and break things. Old Apple moved fast but then it got big and its fans got older and less tolerant to breaks. So Apple evolved too. 100 million devices got out at once bc Apple released a bad update would be a disaster. 10 million folding iPhones with a 10-15% breaking would be expensive. Samsung. By comparison is happy selling 100k-2 million of these folds.

People forget the scale of Apple. They don’t make as many devices but everything they make sells hundreds of thousands and much more often tens of millions. The scale of producing cutting edge devices is astronomical at that point.
How dare you make perfectly logical sense on these message boards !
 
So it can turn in to iPad mini size and normal iPad size? Interesting…
I love the concept of miniaturized gadget that can be expanded.
 
Apple will introduce a folding iPhone when it will last for years and be able to be manufactured in volumes Apple products require. Their products must be criteria, smaller vendors do not face.
 
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Because bi-folding phones are doing so well.
Excellent point.
Hope Tim got the memo.

"Analytics firm Counterpoint Research reports that the folding phone market grew by 49 percent year over year in the first quarter of 2024, its highest rate of increase in six quarters. Shipments of iPhones were down 13 percent in the first quarter year over year, so a folding iPhone just might be what Apple needs to boost sales."

 
Apple is really missing the boat with foldables just like they missed the boat with AI. The current leadership has no vision. Vision Pro is a dead-end.
Apple’s problem is that WHATEVER they release, it has to be able to be manufactured at a rate of around 100 million a year. In 2023, almost 19 million folding phones across all makers were shipped. It remains to be seen if any single manufacturing process can even ship 20 million of ONE of those variants in a year.
 
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Love my Fold, never going back to anything else. Most existing product I unwrapped since the initial iPhone / iPad or Apple Watch.

FYI this is the CEO of Huawei's consumer group:
How does iMessage work on it? This is MACrumors not ANDROIDrumors or PRC_PLArumors.

And FYI Huawei is banned by the US Federal Government:
 
Love my Fold, never going back to anything else. Most existing product I unwrapped since the initial iPhone / iPad or Apple Watch.

FYI this is the CEO of Huawei's consumer group:

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This looks cool!!!
Huawei makes some pretty nice hardware, so I’m very interested in what they might have in the over here…
 
if we Apple people want BOTH phone and iPad-size screens, we have to buy and carry around TWO devices that are technically almost the same... except for different screen sizes. Competitors like this are attempting to put BOTH options in a pocket as ONE product.
Probably one reason Apple aren't in love with the idea - same reason they won't make iPad a real competitor to a MacBook. They *want* you to buy both.
 
Lol this forum has slowly become the old man’s forum. People are so anti progress.
Apple needs something new and successful
 
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Excellent point.
Hope Tim got the memo.

"Analytics firm Counterpoint Research reports that the folding phone market grew by 49 percent year over year in the first quarter of 2024, its highest rate of increase in six quarters. Shipments of iPhones were down 13 percent in the first quarter year over year, so a folding iPhone just might be what Apple needs to boost sales."

Apple’s still on track to sell over 200 million non-folding phones a year. All companies making folding phones COMBINED may sell 30 million. That wouldn’t even cover the drop in shipments. And, with Apple’s lucrative side-step into services, they can better make up the shortfall in cash from phones there.
 
I dont see apple ever releasing a folding phone because I don’t know what problem it would solve. I have Galaxy fold I use for Android side of work, and the phone is pretty much left open at all times. It doesn’t feel great opening and closing it either, it feels like I’m just doing wear and tear each time I do that. The crease in the screen and the lump is arguably worse than if it didn't fold at all.
 
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The idea of foldable suffers from various design issues: thickness/loss of battery life, fragility, ergonomics, aspect ratio, on-screen typing, user experience of the transitions, usability while folded, catching on clothing while being pocketed, etc.

I don't expect Apple to release a foldable phone until the majority of those are solved (and I say that believing some of them are unsolvable).

So are you asking me what I'll think if Apple releases a foldable that is substantially better in many ways than any foldable that came before it?

Or are you asking what I'll think if Apple releases a crap product into a crap space?

I'm asking neither. I'm saying that "we" will hate foldables/rollables/other while Apple does not offer one and then magically have mass changes of opinion when Apple does... as we've done countless times before... such as when we just about universally viewed phablets as "abominations" with piles of rationale against them... UNTIL Apple went there and suddenly phablets were highly desirable and exactly what just about everyone wanted in an iPhone.

NFC ("pay by phone") was a stupid, useless, solution in search of a problem, pointless, "my plastic already works everywhere so why would I want...", etc UNTIL Apple rolled out Apple Pay... and then we wanted to boycott stores that wouldn't let us pay that way.

In iPad 1 we ripped some people's wants for a front-facing camera for Skype-type calls (at the time)... UNTIL the next year when iPad 2 rolled out with that signature feature of a FaceTime front-facing camera... and then it was THE reason that everyone should upgrade.

And then there was the time when Apple rolled out the first iPad with a retina screen AND an iPad Mini without a retina screen in the same "big reveal" session. We simultaneously argued why Retina made the former an essential upgrade AND that the Mini did not need retina... UNTIL the next year when Mini went Retina and then we argued Retina made it an essential Mini upgrade.🤪

There is a long history of hating whatever Apple does not have for sale now- especially competitor innovations- only until Apple adopts them. Then we seem to have a dramatic change of opinion.

When Apple gets around to rolling out a fold/roll/other, we'll suddenly see many problems in need of exactly that solution... that 2 (fundamentally same) devices in one pocketable device is fantastic utility... and that we notice the fold/hinge/whatever about as negatively as we are bugged by islands/notches (in other words: perfectly fine when Apple goes there). Then cue up some "shut up and take my money" to be soon followed by ridiculing the former "precious"... as we quickly turned on what had been spun as the "perfect" screen size of 4" after Apple went phablet: "How did we ever get by with those puny screens?"
 
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