HUGE news for iPad!

[Glideslope]

That's the dumbest thing yet. You know those pilots are going to be surfing the web and playing Fruit Ninja.

Come on. Just flip my 4 into Airplane mode and Fruit Ninja rocks. Back to multiplayer at the gate.

Relax.

 

[Glideslope]

Why should I, consumer, care?

Enlighten me, por favor.

Because you are Humane.

 

[Glideslope]

Electronic Flight Bags have been a reality for over a decade. They are usually based on Microsoft tablet PCs, so it's interesting (but not surprising) that someone used an iPad instead.

FAA approval is only needed for flight-for-hire operations. A private pilot can use a PC or an iPad on their own authority.

Class 1 Type B approvals like this are almost the lowest type. It's strapped to your knee or perhaps yoke during use. It's not hooked to the aircraft's instruments, but can use aircraft power.



Your pilot could be less distracted with this, than trying to find and read a smaller paper approach plate. Like paper, the electronic would still need to be the latest update of course.

Well done. Do you have a Private?

 

[chiefroastbeef]

Please change the title of this thread, as it is misleading, and applies to probably .002% of us.

 

[Glideslope]

Please change the title of this thread, as it is misleading, and applies to probably .002% of us.

I differ, and say you are .002% of who apply to us. This is a BIG STEP for a Tablet. Try luging a 30lb Flight Bag, Tote, and Mobile Carry-On several hrs a day in some cases.

Ever work 14 hrs, sleep in a lounge, shave in a bathroom, then be responsible for 300 people for 8 hrs? Then repeat this over and over and over.

Anything to assist in focusing on the task at hand is welcome.

 

[kdarling]

Well done. Do you have a Private?

Thank you. Around 2000, I and and another engineer were working on a project using solid state gyros for a backup horizon. We had EFBs on touch tablets, of course. I was also slowly getting all my Private requirements done.

Alas, I had to stop just before my checkride, due to a new child. Then I fought a major cancer and I'll need to go through some hoops to get a medical. I think about it often though.

In the meantime, I became fascinated by navigation and manual flight computers. I have an enormous collection (probably close to a thousand) dating back to their earliest usage for cross-country flights in the 1910s.

I've also written a couple hundred pages of a history book on them, and designed new versions as well.

Here's a obscure fact I found along the way: the official US Weather Bureau pressure setting calculation for pilots still uses the same 10' height offset as for the DC-3 era. In other words, they assume your altimeter inlet is 10' off the ground.

So if you set your Kollsman Window to the official setting and you're in say, a C172 where the altimeter is only about 5' up, an accurate altimeter should indicate that you're 5' below the runway surface. Neat eh?

Do you get to fly much? Are you a Commercial or ATP?

Regards, Kev

 

[DuckSoup]

Please change the title of this thread, as it is misleading, and applies to probably .002% of us.

It's not misleading at all. It says "Huge news for iPad", not iPad users. It's huge news for the device itself. Gives it another stake in the ground with the advent of competing devices.

Mike

 

[kdarling]

It's true that this doesn't affect the general public yet, but it could eventually.

This iPad certification was for one particular private jet charter and management service.

I wonder if Apple uses them.

 

[PracticalMac]

I hope if I'm on a plane, the pilot that is flying that day doesn't get a pop-up notification while he is checking his chart (blocking the middle of the screen).

Hit OK (so simply disable popups). Not like the aircraft engines will suddenly stop until he OK's it.

While interesting I wonder about a couple of things. What happens if your battery dies or if you break your iPad mid-flight?

I wonder what happens if pilot picked up the wrong chart?
Happens all the time.
Besides vvvv

Utilize the co-pilots iPad, a flight attendants, or a passengers...

That's the dumbest thing yet. You know those pilots are going to be surfing the web and playing Fruit Ninja.

Or maybe miss their airport while playing "Traffic control"?
As it is, they already have other devices or items.

I'm hoping my company go's ahead and buys me one, as I can't justify it on my own at the moment.

Show them this report.

I'm guessing the pilot and co-pilot will simply plug their iPad's in.

As for a pilot breaking his iPad? 1. Auto-pilot 2. Radio navigation 3. Paper-charts will likely remain within the cockpit, for emergencies.

Yes,
and yes
EFB's simply the paperwork, but not replace functions of aircraft.

iParachute.

LOL!

Electronic Flight Bags have been a reality for over a decade. They are usually based on Microsoft tablet PCs, so it's interesting (but not surprising) that someone used an iPad instead.

FAA approval is only needed for flight-for-hire operations. A private pilot can use a PC or an iPad on their own authority.

Class 1 Type B approvals like this are almost the lowest type. It's strapped to your knee or perhaps yoke during use. It's not hooked to the aircraft's instruments, but can use aircraft power.

I would not say over a decade. I have seen Palm and PocketPC based systems that where useable, just.
Looking around I see some Windows based types of various features.

In an plane, the iPad, or any other tablet/elecronic device, will NEVER replace paper, only accompany it.

 

[PracticalMac]

In an plane, the iPad, or any other tablet/elecronic device, will NEVER replace paper, only accompany it.

Did I say it will replace paper?

I don`t want to be on a 747 that`s running iTunes, I barely trust it with my music let alone a boeing jet

It does not run iTunes (that is just the user interface to iDevice)
iPad runs on a simplified version of OS X, which is itself based on UNIX.

Well I wouldn't call this huge news.

Yeah good news for those aviation type folks, but for the rest of the unwashed masses, it means nothing at all.

It means more iPad sales,
which results in more $$ for R&D and better versions,
and reduced cost of future iPad (yeah, right on last )

 

[PracticalMac]

Thank you. Around 2000, I and and another engineer were working on a project using solid state gyros for a backup horizon. We had EFBs on touch tablets, of course. I was also slowly getting all my Private requirements done.

Alas, I had to stop just before my checkride, due to a new child. Then I fought a major cancer and I'll need to go through some hoops to get a medical. I think about it often though.

In the meantime, I became fascinated by navigation and manual flight computers. I have an enormous collection (probably close to a thousand) dating back to their earliest usage for cross-country flights in the 1910s.

I've also written a couple hundred pages of a history book on them, and designed new versions as well.

Here's a obscure fact I found along the way: the official US Weather Bureau pressure setting calculation for pilots still uses the same 10' height offset as for the DC-3 era. In other words, they assume your altimeter inlet is 10' off the ground.

So if you set your Kollsman Window to the official setting and you're in say, a C172 where the altimeter is only about 5' up, an accurate altimeter should indicate that you're 5' below the runway surface. Neat eh?

Do you get to fly much? Are you a Commercial or ATP?

Regards, Kev

Sweet, another aviation buff/historian!

Sorry to hear about your interruption to your PP, and your cancer, but at least the former was for a very good reason.
Why not consider a Rec Pilot?

Never knew that about the offset setting, that explains why it seemed to be a little off, LOL. Now, how do they deal with 747 that is 35' above the ground! LOL.

Myself (if you don't mind), about 250hrs PP SEL, recently had to drastically scale back flying, but hope to get busy racking up time again.

PS, Kev, how much do you know of German nav instruments during WW2?

Cheers!
Joe

 

[Richdmoore]

Alas, I had to stop just before my checkride, due to a new child. Then I fought a major cancer and I'll need to go through some hoops to get a medical. I think about it often though.

Just to be a bit off topic, but if you have never been denied a FAA medical (you just let it lapse while you dealt with your cancer) you can still self certify under then new Sport class pilot certificate, as long as you have a driver's license.

Of course, you are limited to sport class aircraft, but many aircraft were grandfathered in, and now a whole market has developed based on those specs.

Of course, later you can then get the medical worked out, and go for the private pilot rating, it should be a very easy transition.

Back on topic.....

I have played some with skycharts pro, a very useful edition is one of the new apple approved GPS units, the bluetooth MFI 5780, and the Bad Elf GPS receiver. Both allow the wifi only iPads to use GPS apps, and it works even when the native receiver's fail (for example, during flight above 10,000'.) While the solutions so far have been electronic chart books, I could see the iPad competing with Garmin portable GPS units in the near future.

 

[Glideslope]

Thank you. Around 2000, I and and another engineer were working on a project using solid state gyros for a backup horizon. We had EFBs on touch tablets, of course. I was also slowly getting all my Private requirements done.

Alas, I had to stop just before my checkride, due to a new child. Then I fought a major cancer and I'll need to go through some hoops to get a medical. I think about it often though.

In the meantime, I became fascinated by navigation and manual flight computers. I have an enormous collection (probably close to a thousand) dating back to their earliest usage for cross-country flights in the 1910s.

I've also written a couple hundred pages of a history book on them, and designed new versions as well.

Here's a obscure fact I found along the way: the official US Weather Bureau pressure setting calculation for pilots still uses the same 10' height offset as for the DC-3 era. In other words, they assume your altimeter inlet is 10' off the ground.

So if you set your Kollsman Window to the official setting and you're in say, a C172 where the altimeter is only about 5' up, an accurate altimeter should indicate that you're 5' below the runway surface. Neat eh?

Do you get to fly much? Are you a Commercial or ATP?

Regards, Kev

Bummer. The Medical will be tough. Hope it works out for you. The Sport Cert Ticket might be a good way to go. Forgot about that
No, I am not a pilot. I do work in the aviation industry. Risk Management Analysis with Fleet Management. Mostly Legacy Carriers with the exception of a Carrier based out of NY with Blue Vertical Stabs.

 

[kdarling]

Just to be a bit off topic, but if you have never been denied a FAA medical (you just let it lapse while you dealt with your cancer) you can still self certify under then new Sport class pilot certificate, as long as you have a driver's license.

Thanks to you and the others for the reminder about the Sport class. Yes, good idea, I should look into that. I appreciate the good thoughts!

Sweet, another aviation buff/historian!

Cool! My focus is pretty narrow, on manual air navigation techniques and hand calculators. I have an extensive collection of air navigation texts (some very rare) and flight computer manuals dating back to 1907. I wrote the original version of the Philip Dalton E-6B history on Wikipedia... it took me years and thousands of dollars to track that down.

PS, Kev, how much do you know of German nav instruments during WW2?

I know only a bit of their electronic types, and another bit of the instruments they used in the cockpit. (Btw, did you know both the Germans and the US used black lights in the cockpit to illuminate instruments and other items? After the war, Studebaker made a car's dash using the same technique, calling it "Moon Glow" I think.)

My expertise is in the dead reckoning type; manual flight computers. I have everything from large manual bombing computers to zeppelin wind drift calculators. I can tell you anything you want to know about German types. I even own the rarest of them all: a German version of the E-6B. Pic below is a Luftwaffe navigation kit:

 

[PracticalMac]

Cool! My focus is pretty narrow, on manual air navigation techniques and hand calculators. I have an extensive collection of air navigation texts (some very rare) and flight computer manuals dating back to 1907. I wrote the original version of the Philip Dalton E-6B history on Wikipedia... it took me years and thousands of dollars to track that down.

I know only a bit of their electronic types, and another bit of the instruments they used in the cockpit. (Btw, did you know both the Germans and the US used black lights in the cockpit to illuminate instruments and other items? After the war, Studebaker made a car's dash using the same technique, calling it "Moon Glow" I think.)

My expertise is in the dead reckoning type; manual flight computers. I have everything from large manual bombing computers to zeppelin wind drift calculators. I can tell you anything you want to know about German types. I even own the rarest of them all: a German version of the E-6B. Pic below is a Luftwaffe navigation kit:

Excellent Info!
Considering at the time Phosphorescent materials on gauges was common, using black light made sense, but did not know that.

Thanks! Check PM.

 

[PracticalMac]

Since I posted this, seems like a bunch of airlines have signed up to it.

And the icing?
Gear of the Year: iPad Apps Rule

 

[njsa04playa]

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