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Tell Best Buy that they're entitled to WOW subscriptions and they're losing a lot of mony for not demanding Blizzard their cut

Ultimately Apple can charge what they want for items that exist in their store front. They can also charge for anything that you sell through the item that exists on said store front. It is up to developers and users to let Apple know they do not support this move, by not developing\buying applications on Apples store front.
 
Ok so let's compare it to something that's a little closer to what Apple was trying to do. Let's say you go to Walmart to purchase an MMO like World of Warcraft. Yes Walmart will get a cut of the original sale... but they don't get a % of your monthly subscription to WoW... nor should they.

Yeah, thank you, that was my original point too, which must not have come through very well. Yes, Apple/WalMart gets a cut of the product they put on their shelves. But I would argue that they shouldn't get a cut of a product a customer was driven to from that original product, unless the new product was also heavily reliant on the App Store / WalMart shelf to sell it.

The WoW analogy is an interesting one, because I think it could be argued either way. For instance, if WoW was an iOS-only app, you could probably argue that Apple should get a cut of those subscriptions, since without the app, the subscriptions are not sellable. But what if WoW was an iOS app, an Android app, and a Windows 7 app, and in their iOS app they wanted to link you back to subscription options sold through their web site which were equally applicable to any platform you chose to run WoW on? Why should Apple get a cut of revenue that no other platform provider gets, in that scenario?

As I said before, there are lots of shades of gray in there. A blanket policy could end up hurting or discouraging a lot of businesses that really shouldn't owe Apple anything more than the costs they've already paid them to utilize the App Store.
 
Yeah, thank you, that was my original point too, which must not have come through very well. Yes, Apple/WalMart gets a cut of the product they put on their shelves. But I would argue that they shouldn't get a cut of a product a customer was driven to from that original product, unless the new product was also heavily reliant on the App Store / WalMart shelf to sell it.

The WoW analogy is an interesting one, because I think it could be argued either way. For instance, if WoW was an iOS-only app, you could probably argue that Apple should get a cut of those subscriptions, since without the app, the subscriptions are not sellable. But what if WoW was an iOS app, an Android app, and a Windows 7 app, and in their iOS app they wanted to link you back to subscription options sold through their web site which were equally applicable to any platform you chose to run WoW on? Why should Apple get a cut of revenue that no other platform provider gets, in that scenario?

As I said before, there are lots of shades of gray in there. A blanket policy could end up hurting or discouraging a lot of businesses that really shouldn't owe Apple anything more than the costs they've already paid them to utilize the App Store.

And my blanket policy would be... the only time Apple should see a financial benifit is if there is a cost associated with the transaction to Apple. Apple does maintain their servers and what not for the app store. They should see a return on that investment. That also covers all platforms for me... Android or Microsoft or any of them.

If the app is only in iOS, but of course the servers that run the game are housed and paid for by the company that built the app... then I still don't believe Apple deserves any profit from anything but the initial sell of the app. If Apple is willing to host the game servers and traffic and all that... then yes they should get a piece of the monthly action.

I'm not anti-Apple or anything like that... I just will only support their iOS platform as long as it doesn't start costing me money or costing the companies I chose to do business with additional cost outside Apple's investments. I would rather Netflix take that money and use it to buy licensing for better content for me. I'm greedy like that. ;)
 
So when is Amazon going to require Apple to give them 30% of sales through itunes because they allowed Apple to sell ipods and iphones on amazon.com?
 
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Your post makes no sense. You can use your Netflix account on iOS as well. What Netflix can't do is leverage Apple's costly and valuable infrastructure to recruit new customers for free. Netflix is probably the biggest online advertiser over the past 5 years bar none. Why should they be able to sign up people from apple for free? I own a marketing company. This is a crazy expectation for anyone to have. Netflix can let subscribers use their netflix app for free. If they want to use the AppStore infrastructure to grow their business they have to pay apple.

Answer me this then, I bought a Samsung blu-ray player that allows me to stream netflix on it. Say that I don't have a netflix account so when I click on that "app" on my blu-ray player, it says "Please Sign Up For A Membership at netflix.com, Then Log In". I go to my laptop/ipad/iphone/whatever and make a netflix account. Samsung isn't taking a 30% cut, even though they developed the hardware and software for that blu-ray player, and let netflix install an app on it. And I seriously doubt netflix paid samsung since myself (like many consumers) probably bought that device because it was enabled with netflix.

Same thing with my xbox. Yes, you need a gold membership, but if that's why you use your xbox then you wasted a lot of money on a powerful dvd player

Actually it is likely that Samsung does get a commission for ant sign ups. Netflix also has a massive affiliate program that can pay out 3-4 months income as a commission for a sign up.
 
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Do Apple have to pay Netflix for using the Netflix infrasturcture to grow their business? I have a feeling if Netflix pulled support for iOS it would decrease peoples interest in buying an iPad.
That's what most people don't get. It's true that being in the App Store is very interesting, but also for Apple every popular app available adds value to their devices. "Leveraging for free" makes sense only if you ignore this added-value which for some apps is very big.

That is like saying best buy should make 0 margin on apple devices because it is good for them to have them. I realize a lot of people don't have a businness/management background but it gets frustrating when people miss or misunderstand fundamental issues
 
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That is like saying best buy should make 0 margin on apple devices because it is good for them to have them. I realize a lot of people don't have a businness/management background but it gets frustrating when people miss or misunderstand fundamental issues

No, he is not impliying nothing lie you're saying. So, no he doesn't iss or misunderstand nothing.
 
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Actually it is likely that Samsung does get a commission for ant sign ups. Netflix also has a massive affiliate program that can pay out 3-4 months income as a commission for a sign up.

How would Netflix or Samsung know if I went on the netflix website and signed up because I was prompted to from my blu-ray player? I am not aware of any way that can be tracked.
 
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