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I wasn't talking about the video standard. I was talking about Microsoft's habit of trying to change standards.

Yes, but I doubt microsoft would this time around - i think ( hope ) they've learn't their lessons. People are fed up with the crap that was all versions of IE trying to do things differently and not playing well with W3C standards.
 
HTML5 video will never support DRM. DRM depends on security by obscurity, it is fundamentally impossible to implement in an open standard.

HTML5 does not specify a video codec. It is up to the browser or plugin to decode the video. So DRM could be implemented.
 
Viacom already left, and at first I was upset, but then I realized that Viacom offers EVERY episode and clip of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report on their sites, and you can even link and embed them. Does Hulu do that? No.

Yes they do. They integrate it into every social media site out there and even allow you to mail clips, all within the video you are watching. There is a big "share" icon on the left hand side of the video player.

If you want, you can even send specific times from a show, like a clip from 1:12 to 1:45. It's pretty awesome.

http://www.hulu.com/about/sharing
 
with such a HUGE battle stewing I'm gonna guess that the MPEG group is going to make H.264 license fee free for ever.

One can dream.

How is this supposed to work? At some point, the video data stream has to be available in unencrypted form. And then you can do whatever you want with it, for example save it to disk, even if the DRM would only like to give you the permission to play it once.

Server side DRM or client side DRM.
 
I have surfed the web and still haven't found one single browser that fully supports HTML5. Not even the Flash hater's own browser, Safari, supports HTML5, which according to him is the one and only true standard. So, just in case you haven't noticed it yet, Steve Jobs gives you guys neither Flash nor HTML5.

Or, to rephrase it: HTML5 isn't yet there and ready. But Flash is.

Your point is what exactly? Stay with Flash forever? Or is it okay to run from Flash when the first browser supports it? How many browsers must support it, and how final must the standard be?

Not sure what you're trying to say here, other than it appears to be a thinly veiled attempt to slam Apple and Steve Jobs perhaps?
 
I have surfed the web and still haven't found one single browser that fully supports HTML5. Not even the Flash hater's own browser, Safari, supports HTML5, which according to him is the one and only true standard. So, just in case you haven't noticed it yet, Steve Jobs gives you guys neither Flash nor HTML5.

Or, to rephrase it: HTML5 isn't yet there and ready. But Flash is.

You won't. The HTML5 specs haven't been completed yet - its a moving target. Any browser will only have partial support.
 
HULU on Mac vs. ABC App on iPad

Just the other night, I tried watching an ABC show with my family through Hulu on our Mac. It was literally unwatchable. The audio and video stuttered so much it was like watching a stop animation film with missing frames. We quickly turned it off and opted for the iPad instead. The ABC app worked instantly and flawlessly. Bascially, Hulu failed to "render the video using a high performance codec to ensure premium visual quality" which is one of the things they state is their reason for sticking with flash in the browser. I hope they decide to create a stand alone app that gives us watchable video on iDevices. Even if my iPad had Flash, I don't see how it could of performed any better than my Mac at delivering the content I was trying to access. It says something that I had to switch from a desktop computer with twice as much processor speed to an iPad that doesnt' support Flash so that I could watch a t.v. show with "premium visual quality." Kuddos to ABC for creating such a stellar app. In my household, we can only hope that Hulu or the other networks for that matter, follow their lead. Flash may be great for some people but it's far from great for many others too.
 
Not sure what you're trying to say here, other than it appears to be a thinly veiled attempt to slam Apple and Steve Jobs perhaps?

And YOUR point exactly is? That someone who dares to say anything negative about 'The Firm' should shut up? You guys must worship the ground The Great Helmsman walks on. It are just consumer products, not the cure to cancer.
 
With IE not supporting HTML5 and IE having 60% marketshare, it would be crazy for Hulu to stop using Flash. Hulu can't say "use these browsers" because they have to cater for the lowest denominator of users - they would lose too many people.

Not forgetting DRM - which is probably dictated to them by the content providers.

HTML5 while good, isn't ready yet for prime time. That time will be nearer when IE9 arrives with HTML5 support - and thus available to the masses. Unfortunately the web has to cater also for the lowest denominator - the crap that is IE - that has the largest user base.

That's irrelevant. Once they're happy with HTML 5 they can have a Flash Hulu and an HTML 5 Hulu at the same time.

And I'm sure that's what WILL happen when they eventually make one. It won't switch from one to the other instantly.
 
it's juvenile to imply that they weren't honest; moreover, they pretty much came right out and said they need flash because of their business model.

How did I imply they weren't honest?

And I said "I know they said that" right in my post, so why are you lecturing me on what they said when I already said "I know they said that?"

You should focus on my actual point which was "It's cute howa they pretend that's not the main reason." You didn't say a single thing about that statement, which was the entire point of my post.
 
Just the other night, I tried watching an ABC show with my family through Hulu on our Mac. It was literally unwatchable. The audio and video stuttered so much it was like watching a stop animation film with missing frames. We quickly turned it off and opted for the iPad instead. The ABC app worked instantly and flawlessly. Bascially, Hulu failed to "render the video using a high performance codec to ensure premium visual quality" which is one of the things they state is their reason for sticking with flash in the browser. I hope they decide to create a stand alone app that gives us watchable video on iDevices. Even if my iPad had Flash, I don't see how it could of performed any better than my Mac at delivering the content I was trying to access. It says something that I had to switch from a desktop computer with twice as much processor speed to an iPad that doesnt' support Flash so that I could watch a t.v. show with "premium visual quality." Kuddos to ABC for creating such a stellar app. In my household, we can only hope that Hulu or the other networks for that matter, follow their lead. Flash may be great for some people but it's far from great for many others too.

I have no idea why people have problems like this. Have you tried restarting your computer, running less programs simultaneously, or not running torrents at the same time (just kidding ;))? how is your network reception on your computer vs your device?
 
basically because of ad $ ?

any bets this is almost 100% because of their need to continue use of Flash cookies, for ad dollars?
 
I'd prefer an app anyways.

I'm more dissapointed because it means I still have to deal with Flash's abysmal performance on my MBP when I want to watch TV shows.
 
I never expected Hulu to change their site any time soon. (Flash or not, it’s already a great site.) I just expected them to release an app, like the YouTube app. I still expect that.
 
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