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Hummers why?

Cassie said:
Yeah, that's pretty pointless. Like someone else pointed out, you may feel safer with a big SUV, but what about the other people on the road? You being safer means they are less safe.

You're gonna have to comprimise somewhere.
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And as the BBC show Top Gear has shown, even small cars can survive crashes just fine. (That's a micro-sized 'SMART' car running into a solid wall at 75 MPH, and the passenger's door still works just fine. Of course, crashing into a solid wall at 75 MPH in *ANY* vehicle would likely kill the occupants from sheer G-forces, but it shows that small cars don't have do disintegrate on impact.) I can't find the study right now (just mentions to it on sites that I know won't be considered reputable by SUV defenders,) but there are studies that have shown that in SUV-car collisions, the car occupants are 4x more likely to be killed than the SUV occupants. "Hey, at least I live" is apparently the motto of SUV drivers. There are also studies that show that in general, SUVs are no safer, and have just as many fatal accidents per mile travelled, as smaller cars. Yes, in SUV-car collisions, the SUV occupants are safer, but that's not true of any other type of crash. (And at least some models of SUV are more prone to rollover, a risk that almost no smaller cars have to worry about.)

Again, I have no problem with people owning and using SUVs for what they are meant to be used for. It's the ultra-selfish people who are risking other drivers, and harming the environment disproportionately, that I dislike. And, hell, I have no problem at all with people who drive hybrid or electric SUVs as their primary vehicles. (Ford Escape or Mercury Mountaineer Hybrid, Toyota Highlander or Lexus 400h Hybrid, Toyota RAV4-EV...)

P.S. The reason the original Hummer, along with the Chevy Suburban and the Ford Excursion are more popular than even still-large-but-not-quite-as-large models is that they are so big that they are exempt from EPA laws that regulate smaller vehicles! And, they're large enough to be considered 'commercial' vehicles by default, so if you can in any way justify that you are a business (really easy to do,) you can write off the entire purchase price from your taxes.
 
MattG said:
Small penis, big ego, or a combination of both.
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I wonder who has the small penis and big ego, the Hummer owner or the people insulting them. :rolleyes: I don't like hybrids, but I am not going to insult people who bought them.
 
People that drive hummers and large SUVs need the extra room for their super large cock. People that drive little crappy tree hugging cars don't need the space.
 
Cassie said:
Why the hell would you buy something you want, and not need? That doesn't make sense. My views as an enviormentalist are different then most, but I'm pretty sure most of us can agree (ideally)there is no point in having somthing you don't need. There are a few exceptions, but this is one place where one cannot be afforded.
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All of us MR members are surrounded by things we don't need.

- I could get by on 1/10th the clothes I have (and I am not by any stretch a person who has any interest in clothes, so I don't have a lot to start with).

- I don't need multiple computers. Heck, I don't need any computers. Yet I have three.

- I don't need a car.

- I don't need a cell phone.

- I don't need a TV.

- I don't need my music collection, my books, my tools, my bicycle...

- I don't need the beer I have in my hand right now...

I don't need any of these things, and literally hundreds of millions of people get by every day without them. And yet I, and pretty much all of you, have them, some of you probably a lot more than I. I think there is a point to having things we don't need. The power of the Western world is based on that notion anyway.

(I'm not trying to pick on you BTW, but everyone has a different view on where to draw the line on what we need and what we want. I doubt you'll ever find two people who agree on that).
 
quagmire said:
Yes, there will always be a market for it. But, the majority of SUV drivers don't really care if it is AWD or 4WD. The Tahoe I believe is longer then the Acadia and wider. Looked up the dimensions. The Tahoe is 202" long, a 116" wheelbase, and 79" wide. The Acadia is 200.7" long, 118.9" wheelbase, and 78.2" wide. So they're pretty similar in size.
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Yet somehow the Tahoe has 20 more cubic feet of cargo space. Maybe it's much taller or something.
 
Lord Blackadder said:
All of us MR members are surrounded by things we don't need.

- I could get by on 1/10th the clothes I have (and I am not by any stretch a person who has any interest in clothes, so I don't have a lot to start with).

- I don't need multiple computers. Heck, I don't need any computers. Yet I have three.

- I don't need a car.

- I don't need a cell phone.

- I don't need a TV.

- I don't need my music collection, my books, my tools, my bicycle...

- I don't need the beer I have in my hand right now...

I don't need any of these things, and literally hundreds of millions of people get by every day without them. And yet I, and pretty much all of you, have them, some of you probably a lot more than I. I think there is a point to having things we don't need. The power of the Western world is based on that notion anyway.

(I'm not trying to pick on you BTW, but everyone has a different view on where to draw the line on what we need and what we want. I doubt you'll ever find two people who agree on that).
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Well, that's what I meant by " a few exceptions" Obviously, we all have things we don't need. But we have to draw the line somewhere, and I draw it at "8 seats, and only person to fill them."

With the flame war that is going on this thread, I can see the horizen of The Wasteland...
 
Cassie said:
But we have to draw the line somewhere, and I draw it at "8 seats, and only person to fill them."
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Well, that's fine for you. You neither need nor want such a large vehicle. Maybe some of us do. Why do you care?

It's funny too, my 5'7'' single Mother with one kid in college is probably the last person to need a Tahoe Z71. In fact, she didn't even want one. But I insisted she try it (coming off her horrendously crappy X5) and it's now her favorite car she's ever owned. In fact she wants to buy another one already, the new 2007s are so much nicer than her 2005. It will be the first car she ever bought twice.
 
dpaanlka said:
Yet somehow the Tahoe has 20 more cubic feet of cargo space. Maybe it's much taller or something.
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Nope. Actually, Acadia has more. The Tahoe has 108.9 cu ft with 3rd row( if equipped) removed and 2nd row folded, 60.3 cu ft with the 3rd row removed, and 16.9 cu ft behind the 3rd row. The Acadia has 116.9 cu ft with the 3rd and 2nd row folded, 68.9 cu ft with the 3rd row folded, but 2nd row up, and 19.7 cu ft behind 3rd row. This is straight off Chevy.com and GMC.com
 
I for one drive a chevrolet avalanche (an sut) and have been an SUV owner in the past. personally, I am involved in many motor sports and have water craft etc. and a little hybrid simply wouldn't cut it. I also do some building/hauling form time to time and having a car would simply be insane. the problem is not the suv/t, the problem is what powers it. a hydrogen would produce more CLEAN water, then a car... ;)
 
Ah yes, this thread has reminded me of a wonderful site. :)

http://www.fuh2.com/index.php (thats F*** You, H2) so consider this your profanity warning, as the site is based on it, and therefore full of it.

And be sure to read the inspired works section. The poetry is great. :p

**Note: This site is mainly geared towards those who buy H2's as a status symbol rather than out of, ummm, necessity? (<- there are better options if you find the need to haul stuff/people)
 
Looks like the concept of emissions control can polarize people along the same lines as gun control. People get very defensive when you tell them what you can and can't do, and the lines between what is right and what is a right get very blurry.

The point of this thread, at least my interpretation of it, is to suggest that the H1-3 is the Colt 45 of SUVs; and ask the question: Is it bigger and badder than it needs to be?

Side note: ever see a hybrid truck with a gun rack?
 
Sun Baked said:
C'mon it is obvious, this is America, and Americans need large cars they can grow into.
A little car can be as uncomfortable for their growing asses as those old clothes from high school.
Plus the small cars don't have the torque to haul around their inflated egos.
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Funny, but sadly somewhat true. I didn't get past the first page of this thread, but i am constantly amazed by the number of people driving tanks in the city. I don't get it. If you want to carry more, get a wagon. If you need to haul, get a sedan or wagon with decent power. If you want torque, many small cars have plenty - check out the VW Gold 2.0 TDi which has 320Nm torque!. For those who have a business/job and need a pick-up or van etc. then i understand that. But driving around town in a hummer, escalade, F150 etc. is just ludicrous and puzzling to me. :confused:
 
binky2033 said:
Looks like the concept of emissions control can polarize people along the same lines as gun control. People get very defensive when you tell them what you can and can't do, and the lines between what is right and what is a right get very blurry.
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There's a difference between saying "People should be encouraged to buy more fuel efficient cars", and saying "People who drive big SUVs are insecure hicks or arrogant soccer moms". People always get defensive when they are attacked, and some of what people have said here amounts to ad hominem attacks on SUV owners...I may or may not agree with owning big SUVs but attacking people about it is not constructive.

binky2033 said:
The point of this thread, at least my interpretation of it, is to suggest that the H1-3 is the Colt 45 of SUVs; and ask the question: Is it bigger and badder than it needs to be?

Side note: ever see a hybrid truck with a gun rack?
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Have you ever seen a Nissan Altima with one? Mine doesn't have one. Just because you own a firearm doesn't mean you have to have a gun rack and a truck. I know a gentleman who has an extensive collection of firearms, and he drives a Prius. I guess there's just no room in the world for people who don't fully conform to some sort of popular stereotype.:rolleyes:
 
Lord Blackadder said:
There's a difference between saying "People should be encouraged to buy more fuel efficient cars", and saying "People who drive big SUVs are insecure hicks or arrogant soccer moms". People always get defensive when they are attacked, and some of what people have said here amounts to ad hominem attacks on SUV owners...I may or may not agree with owning big SUVs but attacking people about it is not constructive.
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Things get personal in flame wars, unfortunately. But much like the title of the thread, it's the Hummer brand that I question. Not SUVs in general. Nor the drivers.

Lord Blackadder said:
Have you ever seen a Nissan Altima with one? Mine doesn't have one. Just because you own a firearm doesn't mean you have to have a gun rack and a truck. I know a gentleman who has an extensive collection of firearms, and he drives a Prius. I guess there's just no room in the world for people who don't fully conform to some sort of popular stereotype.:rolleyes:
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No, we're too full up with the unpopular ones. :D
 
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