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Hummers why?
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Go figure they don't show the MPG for it.
Uh.. the H1 was ugly, a gas guzzler, and should never've been allowed to the public.
Although It does have it's uses, I hardly think a Jeep Wrangler couldn't do the same, if not better.
It has it's place in the military.
You realize that the Hummer is a diesel, right?
Blanket statements about vehicle choices are pretty revealing about the close-mindedness of the individual.
For instance, I drive a 7200 lb pickup truck that has a 7.3L engine to work every day by myself. But if someone says, "What a fuel waster!" to me, all I have to do is point out that it's 10 years old, a diesel, gets better MPG than your minivan that you replace 4 times in ten years, and I live on a farm and have to put full sheets of plywood, my 3 kids (in the crew cab, not the bed) and 30 bales of hay etc. in the bed all the time, and I use biodiesel as much as possible, and suddenly your opinion changes. Very interesting.
If we're really concerned about sharing the road with big vehicles, why don't we just double our taxes, pave another set of roads, and let the tractor trailers have their own system?
Go figure they don't show the MPG for it.
Uh.. the H1 was ugly, a gas guzzler, and should never've been allowed to the public.
Although It does have it's uses, I hardly think a Jeep Wrangler couldn't do the same, if not better.
It has it's place in the military.
Your talking like 1/20 people has a Hummer. They are not common street cars and if you can afford to own one and pay for its fuel, then great, do it, this is America. And if you do own one, it is most likely not your daily driver so I don't see whats to complain about.
As for a Wrangler. Offroad it might do the same if modified with a lift kit and bigger tires and some locking differentials. Not to mention the only thing a wrangler cannot tow anything compared to the Hummer.
And believe it or not, the H2 uses the same engine as the Yukon Denalis and get the same fuel economy. I see Denalis everywhere. I see H2's rarely. If you are going to complain about Hummers you're stupid, because so few people drive them and they get the same gas milage as A LOT of cars out there.
If someone can afford it and wants it then more power to them.
Personally, I would never own something like this. A Hummer maybe, but not this.
SUV... Is that the American for a people carrier?
We've always had them. Ford Galaxy, Peugeot 807... We've got a large family, always doing errands like ferrying people to and from airports. My parents drive to Poland in the summer for an extended holiday. They love going over the mountains and that. Couldn't do with a small car, end up costing more renting a van or taxi at this stage.
Very good mpg though. polar opposite of those Hummers.
We've always had them. Ford Galaxy, Peugeot 807... We've got a large family, always doing errands like ferrying people to and from airports. My parents drive to Poland in the summer for an extended holiday. They love going over the mountains and that. Couldn't do with a small car, end up costing more renting a van or taxi at this stage.
Very good mpg though. polar opposite of those Hummers.
"SUV" stands for "Sport Utility Vehicle". It basically means a people hauler that is based on a pickup truck rather than a car. Usually they are sold as being good for offroading, too; even though most SUVs will never see even a dirt road, much less any real offroading.
How about people with large SUVs that insist on parking in the compact space?
That really irritates me!
That really irritates me!
How about people with large SUVs that insist on parking in the compact space?
That really irritates me!
What about the POS VW Jetta that parks in two parking spots at Avon HS which is under construction so parking is limited especially when there a major Basketball Tournament Game and school play at the same time. Having an SUV is good, we had to park on a snow bank and most people had to park on the snow.
complain about that one Jetta double parking. I see more SUV and trucks double park than I see cars ever double park. The guy has a point a lot of SUV drivers seem to think that and SUV can park and drive just like a car and that can not be farther from the truth. and SUV is a truck and it needs to be handled like one. That means that parking spots are less forgiving for a bad parking job and never even try to touch a compact spot the SUV is just 2 big.
I will admit when I part my Sentra I quite often am not straight between the lines a lot of the time I am at a slight angle. but I still in the lines with room to spare on both sides. I drive a car so you are damn right I am not as careful about having to be centered in my parking spot and dead even. between the lines because quite frankly I do not have to. I make sure there is enough room on both sides of my car for people to get in and out of and that is it. If I am 6 inch off one way or the other it is not a huge deal because guess what my car is pretty small. Now when I drive my mom SUV or our Truck some place I make sure that I am centered in my parking spot because it is a big vehicle and I know doing a bad parking job is not very well forgiven. I know they are large vehicles and I drive them as such.
I think the worse is I have gone in a store and I was even between my parking spot and I come back and some ass in an SUV park next to me and left me hardly any room to get in my car. Hell I had to go over to the passenger side and climb over to the driver side to get out. I was not exactly to happy about that. what makes it worse is the person had plenty of room to spare to keep that from happening.
To many SUV drivers drive SUV like they are cars. That one of my biggest problems with them is they drive SUV like they are freakin cars and expect everything that work for a car (small cramp space) to work for them. They expect to be able to stop just like a car they expect it to handle just like a car and when that happen is when issues start coming up.
I don't own one, don't intend to. Yeah, maybe you can afford it and it's gas, but does that make it ok for you to drive it around in a "I'n better then you because I have a Hummer" kind of way?
No.
You're dealing with one stubborn tree hugger here, so now it's on.
Maybe, but that's more money spent.
Towing? I thought we were talking about off roading.
And believe it or not, the H2 uses the same engine as the Yukon Denalis and get the same fuel economy. I see Denalis everywhere. I see H2's rarely. If you are going to complain about Hummers you're stupid, because so few people drive them and they get the same gas milage as A LOT of cars out there.
I'm not talking about H2's (I still think the same though) and also at the same time, I'm talking about more then just Hummer's. I'm talking about SUV's in general.
My opinions, my thoughts.
I'm done here.
In that case I guess steak is a type of fruit with "fruit" meaning "any kind of food."
Personally I like Neil Young's approach to Hummers. Modify it to run on biodiesel and then get the last laugh when people try and give you a hard time for killing the planet.
Lethal
I don't own one, don't intend to. Yeah, maybe you can afford it and it's gas, but does that make it ok for you to drive it around in a "I'n better then you because I have a Hummer" kind of way?
No.
You're dealing with one stubborn tree hugger here, so now it's on.
Maybe, but that's more money spent.
Towing? I thought we were talking about off roading.
I'm not talking about H2's (I still think the same though) and also at the same time, I'm talking about more then just Hummer's. I'm talking about SUV's in general.
My opinions, my thoughts.
I'm done here.
People live in mansions that give off the "I'm better than you because my pool house is bigger than your house". Are people not allowed to do that? Build mcmansions and mansions that are bigger than most people's houses.
As for off roading, H1's are good because thats specifically what they were made to do however their wide shape makes them have to have wide trails. They're wideness is there for stability, storage room, and because for ultimate offroading the transmissions is up where the people sit (for more ground clearance) in the car so there has to be enough room on either side of the transmission for people to fit.
H2's are mediocre. I doubt they have good articulation and they're really nothing more than a Chevy Tahoe crossed with a 5000lb brick.
H3's, don't even complain about them, they get better fuel economy than many SUV's in its class.
The jeeps currently on the market are pretty good offroad, especially if they have quadra-drive 4wd (not quadra-track I/II). They have good articulation, they are small, and have power. The wrangler isn't amazing offroad unless it has modifications.
The land cruiser from what i have read does pretty well off road. It heritage lies in offroad ability but I just don't see it doing well off road.
Land Rover LR3 is very good off road with proper tires. It has locking differentials which is a must, good ground clearance, and very very good articulation. Range Rovers are decent but they really are now more designed for looks over actual off road ability. Range Rover sport probably does fine if you don't have 20"-22" wheels with high performance low profile tires.
I can't wait until the LR2/Freelander 2 comes out. I wonder how it will compare to the Lexus RX, Acura RDX, and similar cars. I think it will do quite well if its reliability reputation is good. I must say the interior looks pretty nice, a HUGE improvement over the Freelander. We've had them as loaner cars from the dealer and they were complete crap. I can't remember where but I read a rumor about an LR2/Freelander 2 Hybrid. Hah! British electrics with a hybrid.... probably not a good idea.
In that case I guess steak is a type of fruit with "fruit" meaning "any kind of food."
Personally I like Neil Young's approach to Hummers. Modify it to run on biodiesel and then get the last laugh when people try and give you a hard time for killing the planet.
Lethal
I wasn't going to comment on her "nice recovery". Cassie is like 14 years old, so give her a break
. As far as modification to run on biodiesel, you just pour it into the tank and it runs. Modification is only necessary for running on straight vegetable oil (SVO).90's, 110's, D1's, RRC's all had cardboard kick panels. I say had because they now have wet mush or nothing from years of wet feet.
I wasn't going to comment on her "nice recovery". Cassie is like 14 years old, so give her a break
There is an H1 here in Portland that has been modified to run off filtered cooking grease. That makes it *ALMOST* as clean as a Prius. And when you're driving behind it, it smells like you're at an old fashioned 50's-era diner.
(Biodiesel is refined fuel made from plant material. Any diesel engine can run on it unmodified. You get slightly worse gas mileage, but have almost no 'smog' emissions, and slightly reduced carbon emissions. 'Greasel' is a process where you modify a diesel engine to run directly from vegetable grease. The main modifications come in the fact that the grease is solid at colder temperatures, so you have to add a heating system, and a reserve tank to hold regular diesel (or biodiesel,) to start the vehicle from while the grease warms up. Greasel is even cleaner than biodiesel, though.)
I think the H2 is a much worse vehicle than the H1. Partly because it's cheaper and more 'mass market', while still being horribly oversized for its usual use, and partly because it's actually a 'dirtier' vehicle than the H1, because it burns gas instead of diesel; since diesel vehicles can be run on biodiesel. (Yeah, "flex fuel" E80 is better than nothing, but 100% vegetable oil is the best.)
No, maybe because a lot of those people just inherited their fortune from "mommy and daddy"?
And gloating is not the way to go if you want to be taken seriously, and be respected.
And a H3 is nothing more then a Chevy Colorado with a cover over the bed.
Sure they share the same platform, but GM tweaked the platforms for the use for Hummer. Although it didn't help the H2's off roading capability. It might be better then its GMT-800 twins( might be even better then the GMT-900's) off road, but it is still poor. The H1 and H3 are the only decent off roaders.
Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage
Food for thought...
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/print_item.asp?NewsID=188
Ed
Food for thought...
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/print_item.asp?NewsID=188
Ed
