I would say that I'd like to see at your cheap and effective way at getting liquid nitrogen inside consumer-grade laptops.
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Hypothetical 13" rMBP Purchase Scenario
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I would say that I'd like to see at your cheap and effective way at getting liquid nitrogen inside consumer-grade laptops.
If you configure this Dell Vostro 3350 with a descrete graphics card and a 128gb SSD, it's $939. I have the 14" version, and it's a fantastic machine.
Check out the upcoming Vizio "performance notebook". The high-end model witht he hybrid drive setup is especially compelling. GPU isn't quite as fast as the Macbook Pros, but for WAY less money it's a hell of a bargain.
http://www.vizio.com/notebook/specs
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BTW I'm really caught between waiting for the 13" Retina or getting the Air. Money isn't an issue, it's the seemingly necessary trade-off between the 'poor' screen of the Air and the 'poor' performance of the Retinas. Or wait for Haswell to sort out the Retinas performance problems I guess....
Those Vizios look INTERESTING, especially at that $1200 price point...
But if price is no issue, why not just get the 15" now? Is the extra 2" really a dealbreaker?
The biggest problem of the rMBP is speed. Most applications take more RAM (nearly twice as much as before), the CPU has more work to allocate and the GPU certainly must do the most compared to a non-retina version. Even if Mountain Lion is optimized like hell, the performance demand to those notebooks is quite high. It won't work smoothly with integrated graphics and with RAM less than 16 GB. At least not with current technology. Maybe Apple is demonstrating new nvidia dedicated graphics on their way... Personally, I won't count until next year.
I'm hoping ML will be optimized enough so the lag won't be present if a 13 inch Model came this fall. I hope these jitters are more of a software problem. If a 13 rMBP comes out, it will finally make a bigger gap between the Air and Pros. Pros having retina displays and gears towards professionals (photo, video, ect) and the Air to average computing needs.
Overall, I think a 13 could be possible with optimizations in ML. Let's hope this October it comes!
Overall, I think a 13 could be possible with optimizations in ML. Let's hope this October it comes!
The lag comes from a double whammy of:
Hardware - current tech assumes the largest screen resolution most people will use is 2560 x 1600, so the scaling functions are designed up to that res. The MBPR's native resolution one-ups that to 2880 x 1800, while the 1920 x 1200 HiDPI mode approaches that of 4K in rendering demands; nothing in the marketplace is designed to handle this much right now. This part cannot be fixed until Haswell and Kepler 2.0 arrives next year. As it stands, the 13" MBPR - if Apple does indeed release it - will have similar issues as the 15" MBPR.
Software - much of the screen rendering is done on the CPU, as opposed to being offloaded onto the more efficient GPU. This is fixable.
Hardware - current tech assumes the largest screen resolution most people will use is 2560 x 1600, so the scaling functions are designed up to that res. The MBPR's native resolution one-ups that to 2880 x 1800, while the 1920 x 1200 HiDPI mode approaches that of 4K in rendering demands; nothing in the marketplace is designed to handle this much right now. This part cannot be fixed until Haswell and Kepler 2.0 arrives next year. As it stands, the 13" MBPR - if Apple does indeed release it - will have similar issues as the 15" MBPR.
Software - much of the screen rendering is done on the CPU, as opposed to being offloaded onto the more efficient GPU. This is fixable.
I find 15" way too big for a portable laptop, and I lug mine back and forth between work and home every day.
For my professional uses, 15" inch or larger is a must. I don't necessary *need* 17, but 15 is a given. I only see 13" and smaller as consumer or road-warrior sizes. I'm not sure what a MacBook Air is incapable of.
I'm not sure how many people *need* the power of a Pro where a 13" is the best size. I think the real question most of you are asking is about getting a retina screen in a MacBook Air. I'm sure that will happen.
I'm not sure how many people *need* the power of a Pro where a 13" is the best size. I think the real question most of you are asking is about getting a retina screen in a MacBook Air. I'm sure that will happen.
would it need a dgpu to power the display? I just think its going to take more than a couple months to figure out how to power it. Probably next year.
i went from a 12" powerbook to the 13" macbook pro. i do ALL my work on the mbp (logic mostly, some photoshop, indesign, dreamweaver; iPhoto, etc...ie safari, email..)
i am FINE with it, and love being able to go to a coffeebar, or a friend's...and continuing to work.
having said that, i checked out the rMbp, and it's a great size (only a little bigger than the 13"); still, a similarly-scaled 13" might be perfect.
will see what october (or whenever) brings...
i am FINE with it, and love being able to go to a coffeebar, or a friend's...and continuing to work.
having said that, i checked out the rMbp, and it's a great size (only a little bigger than the 13"); still, a similarly-scaled 13" might be perfect.
will see what october (or whenever) brings...
I see that nearly 75% of voters said that they wouldn't buy a 13" MacBook Pro with Retina (at least the hypothetical one in this thread). What's the reason for that apparent lack of interest? Do you already have a perfectly good Mac? Is $1,800 too much? Do you need the ODD, Ethernet, and FireWire?
Yes, it is too much. The 15" rMBP is actually $100 cheaper than the equivalent regular MBP. I'd expect at least the same with the 13" MBP.
So, would I buy it for $1800? No. I probably would for $1700 and definitely would for $1600.
The point for me is that the price is just too high.
I dont see myself spending that much on a 13'' unless its significantly lighter, like the vaio Z2 that I owned, but sold it because of it just flex too much. Fantastic machine in terms of speed and screen.
They need to maintain a reasonable price point, very close to 1200, simple as that. And desperately upgrade the specs, a dedicated gpu can be fitted with the new cooling design that would trickle down the line. I dont care if it comes with the same set of ports that the RMBP comes with, but they need more boost in those models.
The mbp 13 is a good machine, I have the 2011 model, but if the time to deliver it wasnt just too much, I would have got the lenovo x220, and sincerely the NBD warranty is a plus to me, since I use this notebook for work and uni.
I dont see myself spending that much on a 13'' unless its significantly lighter, like the vaio Z2 that I owned, but sold it because of it just flex too much. Fantastic machine in terms of speed and screen.
They need to maintain a reasonable price point, very close to 1200, simple as that. And desperately upgrade the specs, a dedicated gpu can be fitted with the new cooling design that would trickle down the line. I dont care if it comes with the same set of ports that the RMBP comes with, but they need more boost in those models.
The mbp 13 is a good machine, I have the 2011 model, but if the time to deliver it wasnt just too much, I would have got the lenovo x220, and sincerely the NBD warranty is a plus to me, since I use this notebook for work and uni.
I probably should have put $1,699 as the starting price. That would probably be a fairer price in comparison to Apple's current lineup. I don't think that Apple will allow their base MBP to exceed $1,200 unless they keep the 13" MBA at $1,200.
First, the price. Second, the lack of dedicated graphics, and thus a slow computer. The lack of repairability is probably an issue too. That's one of the strengths of the Pro-line. You always are/were able to go for a faster/bigger hd or for more RAM later. That's what I did with my Powerbook. I still love it. It was the best Mac Apple ever made.
Put some screws in the back of the thing that would allow me to upgrade it with off-the-shelf parts like I can now and I might consider paying the high "entry level" price.
As it stands now, I'd have to mortgage the house right out of the gate and settle for what I bought for like... forever.
As it stands now, I'd have to mortgage the house right out of the gate and settle for what I bought for like... forever.
Because I don't need pro power in a 13" size. I'm okay with the power of an Air for 11" and 13"... of course retina would be a nice addition. If I need the pro power, I want a 15" or larger.
I *personally* don't think a pro 13" makes sense, at least not anymore, since Airs are now seriously capable machines. I'd see a complete lineup of the future looking like 11/13 Airs, and 15/17 MPBs... all with retina.
I've just bought the baseline 13" 2012 MacBook Pro. Even with the baseline configuration the fans have not turned up, or at least I have not heard them.
It's plenty powerful for most needs. If not I can add 16Gb of memory and an SSD at my leisure.
I was in my local Apple store on Saturday and had a look at the new retina MacBook Pro. Yes it's thin, yes when I look really closely I cannot see the individual pixels.
Well my 13" MacBook Pro is not exactly fat. How often is my face a few inches from the screen? Well never, the closest it is is about about 24" or 60 cm away. At this distance I can't see the individual pixels.
I would really prefer the ODD to be removed and a quad core or a discrete graphics card rather than a retina screen
It's plenty powerful for most needs. If not I can add 16Gb of memory and an SSD at my leisure.
I was in my local Apple store on Saturday and had a look at the new retina MacBook Pro. Yes it's thin, yes when I look really closely I cannot see the individual pixels.
Well my 13" MacBook Pro is not exactly fat. How often is my face a few inches from the screen? Well never, the closest it is is about about 24" or 60 cm away. At this distance I can't see the individual pixels.
I would really prefer the ODD to be removed and a quad core or a discrete graphics card rather than a retina screen
I think its because alot of the voters already have a laptop they like or have the 15 rMBP. There would be an immense amount of interest for most people, but most on the forum already have a laptop they love.
Yes, the specs of the mbp 13 are lackluster for sometime, the 2009 model was the best one that they made. From that on, there was always something lagging behind in tech and from their competitors.
2010 - lacked the 1st core series cpus
2011 - lacked a more interesting gpu
2012 - lacked quad cpus and a more interesting gpu
So I while I do own a mbp 13 early 2011, it could have more interesting specs. And I do expect those to come forward in the RMBP 13.
Upgrades and so forth are dependent on the price that apple charges.
SSDs are a must for me, and since that they already came with 256gb, which is the size that I intend to buy to replace my 120gb SSD, its a non issue. However this is the most common upgrade/replacement that people make in their pcs, mainly the focus is on size rather than speed.
RAM is something that I use a lot, due to VMs and other server stuff. But if I can get 16gb Im more than happy, outside the realm of the workstation class and gaming laptops, I dont see any offering 32gb upgrades, and sincerely with that amount of ram, I would just use a 2 cpu mobo with LGA 2011, which is my current assigned server at uni, with just 128gb, looking to replace the mobo, so that I can put 256gb in it.