That's where you are wrong. If someone only took a few megs from me and that put me over what I am allowed every month and I had to pay the difference why wouldn't I care
Stealing is stealing...
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That's where you are wrong. If someone only took a few megs from me and that put me over what I am allowed every month and I had to pay the difference why wouldn't I care
Stealing is stealing...This is completely wrong... You can and will be convicted on theft even if it is unsecure. Unless it is advertised as an open free network you cannot attach to it at all.
Wrong. Nothing more needs said. You can't possibly be more incorrect.
And wired isn't?
It's called "theft" for a reason. I suppose you wouldn't mind if I came over to your house and took a LITTLE of your possessions. Just a DVD player and some cereal. And then I'll do it every day until you don't have anything left.
Cash and bandwidth are lousy analogies.
It's an ethics problem.
If you knowingly steal bandwidth, thats unethically (wrong)!
We've unknowingly "stolen" bandwidth from a neighbor. My wife's XP computer has a bad habit of connecting to our neighbors WiFi instead of our Airport Express. She can't tell until she tries to print.
It's an ethics problem.
If you knowingly steal bandwidth, thats unethically (wrong)!
We've unknowingly "stolen" bandwidth from a neighbor. My wife's XP computer has a bad habit of connecting to our neighbors WiFi instead of our Airport Express. She can't tell until she tries to print.
This thread was originally about stealing Internet access from people.
PLEASE hijack it for something legit.
Stealing - Hijack .... The moral dilemma ...
Too much to think about ... I'm going to have a beer and not think about it.
Stealing is stealing, whether the stolen item is a physical asset (money, car, tools, etc.) or some non-physical entity such as your neighbors internet service. The comparison of stealing money vs. stealing bandwidth is completely valid. It is still stealing.
It also does not matter whether the item is locked up or not. Taking any portion of someone else's property (or bandwidth) is still stealing. Say I leave a tool outside in my front yard. Someone takes it over night. That is still stealing. Same as if a bank or store accidently left a door or window open. Reaching in and helping yourself to some cash or beer is stealing.
Don't confuse the availability of free public access sites with private access sites where the owner is remiss in setting up his security. The public access sites are there for the public to use. The private owner sites are not free to use without permission. Using them without permission is stealing.
Pointing out lapses in security is both being a good neighbor and will help others protect what is theirs, same as telling a neighbor they left a door open.
I operate a private WLAN that can be 'seen' around the neighborhood. Since I depend on a fixed bandwidth (5G for $60) EVDO service, with very high costs ($.25 / MB!) for exceeding the monthly allowance, I do not allow others to access my service.
I do occasionally make exceptions to help others in a time of need. Kind of like lending a neighbor the lawnmower while his is being repaired. I issue time limited special passwords for this kind of use, and delete the access (password) when the need passes.
I do not put up with anyone stealing my tools, or my bandwidth.
Jerry
It also does not matter whether the item is locked up or not. Taking any portion of someone else's property (or bandwidth) is still stealing. Say I leave a tool outside in my front yard. Someone takes it over night. That is still stealing. Same as if a bank or store accidently left a door or window open. Reaching in and helping yourself to some cash or beer is stealing.
Don't confuse the availability of free public access sites with private access sites where the owner is remiss in setting up his security. The public access sites are there for the public to use. The private owner sites are not free to use without permission. Using them without permission is stealing.
Pointing out lapses in security is both being a good neighbor and will help others protect what is theirs, same as telling a neighbor they left a door open.
I operate a private WLAN that can be 'seen' around the neighborhood. Since I depend on a fixed bandwidth (5G for $60) EVDO service, with very high costs ($.25 / MB!) for exceeding the monthly allowance, I do not allow others to access my service.
I do occasionally make exceptions to help others in a time of need. Kind of like lending a neighbor the lawnmower while his is being repaired. I issue time limited special passwords for this kind of use, and delete the access (password) when the need passes.
I do not put up with anyone stealing my tools, or my bandwidth.
Jerry
Here's the thing, if they can get on your network, they can also see your traffic. Would you care if that person "borrowing" a few megs a month was also capturing traffic at the same time? Or all the time?
And what if whoever gets on your network starts downloading kidding p*rn? You will be responsible and will have a very difficult time with the authorities.
We should do something productive, like have an argument over Firefox v. Safari instead
This is a non-issue... wrong, plain and simple
Any other opinion is a rationalization
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Dictionary DEFINITION for Steal:
To take from someone without permission or unlawfully.
So yes its illegal.
To take from someone without permission or unlawfully.
So yes its illegal.
I say do it. You pay way to much in america for the internet. Here we only pay 30 dollar to have 20mb/s and unlimited download.
Here we pay to much for fuel so i guess we should just syphon our neighbours vehicles instead.
I just renamed our Wi-Fi network "FBI Mobile Logistics".
Our AirPort Extreme's name falls along the lines of something official, as well.
Let's see someone brave enough to hack that.
You might, however, get someone with a big ego looking at your network as a nice little challenge
Microeconomically speaking you don't "pay too much" for anything. You pay an amount equal or less than your marginal utility of owning what you're paying for, not more.
What do you mean not so simple. It is very easy to do and will only take a minute; quicker than it took to go get that beer.
Guess you didn't read all the posts. You would care if you had to pay the extra cost if it went over your monthly limit and don't say you wouldn't...
Ah, Embarq... no bandwidth caps, no speed limiting.
Bad price/speed ratio, but hey, they have a monopoly here.
I have to say this is the only reasonable post in the thread to date. Stealing is stealing is stealing, but the cash analogy only works if the neighbour pays for every gigabyte of bandwidth like they would with electricity or gasoline. If they do, they need to find a better ISP stat. Most people only use a tiny fraction of their bandwidth cap, and it is unlikely that the neighbour is paying any more because of our friend here.
The ethical problem is that the neighbour isn't paying any less either. What makes the OP so special as to deserve free internet? Would that we were all so special. There are certainly cases of neighbours sharing an internet connection and splitting the cost, but their ISP might have a thing or two to say about that. Doing so is almost certainly expressly prohibited in the terms of service.
And yes, if I found that my wireless network was being accessed without my permission, I would do what I could to shut them out.
I may have no love for ISPs, but paying for an internet connection sure beats the alternative.
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