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Plus, Apple has left out a lot of core technologies such as faster firewire, eSata ports, Cross-fire, Blu ray, RAID, etc. By the time you buy cards to add those features, you'll run out of room and you'll be spending a lot more for the machine.

Tell me more about this faster Firewire that Apple has left out?

I am also curious to find out about the missing RAID.
 
Well as a first time Mac buyer I can tell you there were many reasons I went with the Mac Pro and am fine paying a premium for it.

- After 20+ years I'm finally DONE with Windows and their never-ending promises of this version finally being the good one...

- On a related note - the fantastic reviews of OS-X and a virus free environment

- I'm no longer gaming and am focusing on Graphic Art

- The iMac's all-in-one design was a deal-breaker

- All my prior computers were gaming boxes that I dropped $3500 (w/monitor) on so I'm ok dropping $2900 ($4k after monitor) on a computer I expect will outperform, and outlive them and in a fantastic package in terms of user friendliness and style.

- As a new Mac buyer I'm not comparing this model to the 08 or whatever past model and pining over how it was such a better deal back when. I'm looking at my options at this moment.

- My experience with the iPhone has made me a big fan of Apple's products.

I think I'm probably fairly representative of a lot of recent converts to Mac - Old enough to be sick of Windows, no longer PC gaming (especially with how good consoles are nowadays), impressed by Apple's designs, and make enough to splurge a bit. :)
 
Well as a first time Mac buyer I can tell you there were many reasons I went with the Mac Pro and am fine paying a premium for it.

- After 20+ years I'm finally DONE with Windows and their never-ending promises of this version finally being the good one...

- On a related note - the fantastic reviews of OS-X and a virus free environment

- I'm no longer gaming and am focusing on Graphic Art

- The iMac's all-in-one design was a deal-breaker

- All my prior computers were gaming boxes that I dropped $3500 (w/monitor) on so I'm ok dropping $2900 ($4k after monitor) on a computer I expect will outperform, and outlive them and in a fantastic package in terms of user friendliness and style.

- As a new Mac buyer I'm not comparing this model to the 08 or whatever past model and pining over how it was such a better deal back when. I'm looking at my options at this moment.

- My experience with the iPhone has made me a big fan of Apple's products.

I think I'm probably fairly representative of a lot of recent converts to Mac - Old enough to be sick of Windows, no longer PC gaming (especially with how good consoles are nowadays), impressed by Apple's designs, and make enough to splurge a bit. :)

I got fed up with windows right after Vista came out, bought a macbook pro to serve as a desktop replacement and to try OSX, and it has for the past 2.5 years...now ready to get the macpro. Just stick with OSX for a month or so to get adjusted, you wont want to switch back, its like a drug:D
 
Tell me more about this faster Firewire that Apple has left out?

I am also curious to find out about the missing RAID.


With the key thing to note being that Symwave had sampling chips available back in 2008, with a production qty cost estimate of $3.50/chip.


For RAID, the basics are that it is something that should have had been built-in at the motherboard level and included in the price by now. Instead, its still a $700 option.

Granted, Apple's solution has a '72 hour battery' to protect the cache, but batteries don't typically cost that much, even when its a UPS to protect the whole system ... the basic reality is that for protection against power-losses, a full system UPS would be a better investment of that magnitude of money.


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So the early mac pro 2008 :-

£1799 ($2799)
2x 2.8ghz quad core
2gb ram
320gb hdd
2600xt

mid 2009 mac pro :-

£1799 ($2499)
1x 2.66ghz quad core
3gb ram
640gb hdd
120gt

to get a similar performance 2009 machine compared to the base 2008 :-

£2400 ($3299)
2x 2.26ghz quad core
6gb ram
640gb hdd
120gt

£2400 ($3299) - a good £600 ($500) more than the 2008 version, the 2009 really wasnt that great value for money compared to 2008 and it wasnt faster in any terms worth mentioning. It keeps getting worce.

2010

£1999 ($2499)
1x 2.8 quad core
3gb ram
1tb hdd
5770

£2959 ($3699)
1x 3.3 six core
3gb ram
1tb hdd
5770

£1000 extra for 2 cores... eh!!! ($1,200)

£2799 ($3499)
2x 2.4 quad core
6gb ram
1tb hdd
5770

Tom, in the UK we have to take into account exchange rates. I think the dollar differences might not be so much. I've put them in () I suppose inflation is relevant too. Although admittedly in tech terms costs tend to come down.

2008 was a good year for MP value for money.
 
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