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Probably should get used to the keyboard if you ever want to upgrade to a new Mac. Have you used the new Magic Keyboard yet? Same type of keys. I'm sure the next MBP will have them too to bring everything in line.

I was going to buy the MacBook today, but just couldnt get used to the keyboard. Therefore I checked out the new magic keyboard, and it is loads better in terms of travel. You do notice that the key levels out a bit sooner than the older style magic keyboard, however whilst typing on it at the Apple store, It felt fine, and I don't mind if the magic keyboard 2 design comes to the new rMBPs/MBAs. The MacBook keyboard literally has no travel, and my fingers began to hurt after.
 
I was going to buy the MacBook today, but just couldnt get used to the keyboard. Therefore I checked out the new magic keyboard, and it is loads better in terms of travel. You do notice that the key levels out a bit sooner than the older style magic keyboard, however whilst typing on it at the Apple store, It felt fine, and I don't mind if the magic keyboard 2 design comes to the new rMBPs/MBAs. The MacBook keyboard literally has no travel, and my fingers began to hurt after.

I really do like the new magic keyboard, and think it is a perfect medium between the old style and the macbook style.
 
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I really do like the new magic keyboard, and think it is a perfect medium better the old style and the macbook style.

Precisely. If it means they can make the rMBP thinner and lighter than the Magic Keyboard 2 design is perfectly acceptable. I'm sure the 0.2/0.3mm of travel that is shaved won't be a problem for the majority of users. The MacBook's keyboard, however, is too much of a compromise in my opinion.
 
That's the fun thing with mechanical keyboards. You don't have to press deeply to actuate the key. The actuation is rather shallow, shallower than the Apple rubber dome keyboards and more comparable to the MB keyboard. The only reason why the mech is nicer to type on is the fact that it doesn't stop at the actuation point, you can go further. That means that you don't hit the bottom immediately. You have a cushion effect which is why mechs are so comfortable to type on. Rubber dome keyboards have their actuation at the very bottom thus you are always hitting something hard which makes them rather uncomfortable.

Well, that's not the ONLY reason. Mechanical keyboards FEEL way better too, and don't get floppy and weird either.

There's actually a notebook with a mechanical keyboard, don't remember who makes it though!
 
Depends on your definition of "feel" but I think you mean the same thing as I do: mechanical keyboards are in general just nicer to type on. Call it "comfortable", call it "feels way better", it's overall just a pleasant experience but hey, that's exactly what you pay for (and that price will be considered steep by quite a few). And it doesn't break when you bash it; you can even use it as a self defence weapon (if you can lift it...). Once you go mech... :p
 
It's really strange... On some days, it feels natural, but on other days, I struggle with it.

I actually question who designed this... and why?

If, this is supposedly Jony Ive's area of expertise, I wonder if he actually had proper test subjects for the design, or if the whole thing was a closed-loop?

If the latter, then this was "designer masturbation" (i.e. - altering a design, because you can, and you're bored)
 
Depends on your definition of "feel" but I think you mean the same thing as I do: mechanical keyboards are in general just nicer to type on. Call it "comfortable", call it "feels way better", it's overall just a pleasant experience but hey, that's exactly what you pay for (and that price will be considered steep by quite a few). And it doesn't break when you bash it; you can even use it as a self defence weapon (if you can lift it...). Once you go mech... :p

Considering I spend I'm sure 12 hours a day on a keyboard, I ain't putting up with mushy membrane boards, not after my Cherry MX Brown boards :-D

I've got THREE mechanical keyboards I'm using currently :)
 
I opted out of my Macbook, I ended up replacing it and going back to the rMBP. This largely for quality issues, but the keyboard was an issue as well I tried to convince myself that the keyboard was excellent and such. It really wasn't the keys just don't have the same tactile response rate the the rMBP. I am really glad I switched back to the rMBP, due to my heavy use of word processing.
 
I opted out of my Macbook, I ended up replacing it and going back to the rMBP. This largely for quality issues, but the keyboard was an issue as well I tried to convince myself that the keyboard was excellent and such. It really wasn't the keys just don't have the same tactile response rate the the rMBP. I am really glad I switched back to the rMBP, due to my heavy use of word processing.

Could you write little more about quality issues that you had with rMB?
 
Could you write little more about quality issues that you had with rMB?

Well, I have gone through 3 Macbook's (two for the same issue.) The two I went through at first was a flaw with the keyboard, certain keys would stick or be unresponsive. The third model was the stake in the coffin for myself and I bought a new MBP that night because of it. The issue arose slowly with the hinge make a nasty sound every time I opened and closed the lid. The second issue was the fact when I closed the lid the keyboard would leave an imprint on the screen (I know it's common with all MacBooks) the only difference was that the imprints would not go away with using a cloth or cleaner.

I just could not use this computer anymore, it was so unreliable in terms of functionality that I shuddered at the fact of being flying on a plane to meet a client and having to worry about my Macbook keyboard going out was quite frightful. When I purchase an Apple product I expect to pay a premium price on quality. This is the same concept I have when I buy a premium brand vehicle. I have come to the conclusion that the Macbook is excellent in terms of what it does for portability, but it needs a few revisions before I can fully commit to buying another one. I have been an avid Apple user since 1997, so I might seemed slightly biased on some aspects of what I think Apple computers should represent in terms of quality.

The last Macbook I went through was past the return policy for the Apple Store, so I had to go through the channels of Applecare and it being honored under the warranty. Evidently it got sent off to a repair center and they had to replace the logic board, top cover, and the screen.

I would just be weary purchasing a Macbook, I'd wait until they do a revision to the design.
 
When I purchase an Apple product I expect to pay a premium price on quality.

In my experience Apple is WAY below par on quality. They're the least reliable brand I can recall dealing with. I buy them DESPITE the unreliability. (Though I'm sticking with my iPad 2 still because the lightning connector has proven to be 100% unreliable in my experience...I'd really like a Pro or Air 2, but...)

I literally have other hardware I run for years at 100% 24/7 with zero issues, and Apple I just feel lucky if something will charge.
 
In my experience Apple is WAY below par on quality. They're the least reliable brand I can recall dealing with. I buy them DESPITE the unreliability. (Though I'm sticking with my iPad 2 still because the lightning connector has proven to be 100% unreliable in my experience...I'd really like a Pro or Air 2, but...)

I literally have other hardware I run for years at 100% 24/7 with zero issues, and Apple I just feel lucky if something will charge.

Well I haven't really ran into a quality issue until now. Generally I have been satisfied with the quality I'd rate it favorable on a likert scale
 
I've played around with them at the Apple store. Maybe it's because I'm in IT and use every keyboard imaginable depending on what the client uses, but once I find the home keys I'm off to the races. The rMB took me just a few seconds of not looking at it to adjust to, my hands actually felt more relaxed which I'm guessing had to do with the larger surface area so I could be a bit "looser" in my targeting.
 
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I just got back from Best Buy to try out the keyboard .. i actually don't mind it .. but I will say each display model had multiple keys not working
 
Hmmmm.... I made the mistake of walking into the Microsoft Store today.

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No, I didn't buy one. But it sure did look sweet! Actually, the 15.6" Quad core was pretty small for it's power as well.
 
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