I feel this very quick statement needs to be said

[shenfrey]

When I go out and about, wether it's at Uni or bars/clubs or even round to flat mates, there are many MANY people running IOS 7 and when I ask them what do they think they just reply with "yeah, it's alright" and move on. They don't spend time talking to me or others about how they like/don't like it or it's features or anything like that, and I think this is because it suits there needs and they don't feel the need to complain. We - as loyalists - have attention to detail and are passionate about this stuff, but that's because we love technology and want the best every time, where as others whom we don't see on these forums are just happy to have something that helps peoples lives and just works.

I think it's important to remember that yes, Apple has a lot of work to do to make IOS 7 perfect, but as loyalists we look for problems and by looking for them we notice them. The average consumer out there who doesn't use these forums are just happy that it works and isn't too much of a change and they don't feel the need to the complain. I know there will be some who don't like it, but on the whole I think there are many people that are happy with this and it can only get better.

So I guess what I am trying to say is, is that we should take a step back, take ios 7 out of the microscope for a second and appreciate what it's trying to do and how it's trying to enrich peoples lives (which has always been apples mission statement). It's trying to look to look modern, it's trying to look more vibrant and fun while still looking like a smart and capable device ( which I think it succeeds) but above all else, it's trying to be familiar. There are speed issues , crash issues and even big issue like iMessage, but I think once these are all ironed out everybody will learn to love Ios 7 and look back on these days as nostalgic.

Have faith and patience and don't give up on Apple!

P.S, this was suppose to be a lot shorter then how it turned out

 

[moargolems]

Every single big iOS release has had a rough start. They turn out great and polished as the versions progress.

 

[zorinlynx]

This is all very true. However, another thing you can take away from this is that we need to be diligent about reporting issues, because most of the userbase isn't that enthusiastic and won't, especially for minor issues that don't affect many people.

We may come off as whiners to those who aren't into tech, but a lot of our whining does get issues fixed; if we weren't complaining who knows how much lower the quality of the products would be?

Just sayin', we're doing the right thing.

 

[byke]

I have never had so many people ask me how to rollback to IOS 6 due to unhappiness with their device.

 

[AFDoc]

When I go out and about, wether it's at Uni or bars/clubs or even round to flat mates, there are many MANY people running IOS 7 and when I ask them what do they think they just reply with "yeah, it's alright" and move on. They don't spend time talking to me or others about how they like/don't like it or it's features or anything like that, and I think this is because it suits there needs and they don't feel the need to complain. We - as loyalists - have attention to detail and are passionate about this stuff, but that's because we love technology and want the best every time, where as others whom we don't see on these forums are just happy to have something that helps peoples lives and just works.

I think it's important to remember that yes, Apple has a lot of work to do to make IOS 7 perfect, but as loyalists we look for problems and by looking for them we notice them. The average consumer out there who doesn't use these forums are just happy that it works and isn't too much of a change and they don't feel the need to the complain. I know there will be some who don't like it, but on the whole I think there are many people that are happy with this and it can only get better.

So I guess what I am trying to say is, is that we should take a step back, take ios 7 out of the microscope for a second and appreciate what it's trying to do and how it's trying to enrich peoples lives (which has always been apples mission statement). It's trying to look to look modern, it's trying to look more vibrant and fun while still looking like a smart and capable device ( which I think it succeeds) but above all else, it's trying to be familiar. There are speed issues , crash issues and even big issue like iMessage, but I think once these are all ironed out everybody will learn to love Ios 7 and look back on these days as nostalgic.

Have faith and patience and don't give up on Apple!

P.S, this was suppose to be a lot shorter then how it turned out

Maybe they just don't want to talk to some random stranger about their phone and want to enjoy the time in the pub with their mates.

I didn't really like it much when I first dl it but it grew on me.

 

[defunct32]

I feel this very quick statement needs to be said

To be fair, if everyone is just happy and move on and no one file a single complain then bugs, issues, and small little features won't be fixed or implemented, that, or we will have to rely on Apple's side alone to notice all the little things that don't work as they should and this will take a while to be fixed.

Oh, basically this!

This is all very true. However, another thing you can take away from this is that we need to be diligent about reporting issues, because most of the userbase isn't that enthusiastic and won't, especially for minor issues that don't affect many people.

We may come off as whiners to those who aren't into tech, but a lot of our whining does get issues fixed; if we weren't complaining who knows how much lower the quality of the products would be?

Just sayin', we're doing the right thing.

You said it perfectly!

 

[thejadedmonkey]

My girlfriend isn't exactly tech savvy, and generally goes with the flow. Last night she offered to clean the kitchen for me if I could get her iPhone "to work again".

Apple's unwillingness to let people downgrade cost me a clean kitchen!!!

 

[KPOM]

I think the whole "backlash" is overblown. Sure, it looks a little different, but select a slightly darker wallpaper and most people wouldn't notice at first glance that much has changed.

Remember that iOS 6 caused such a big backlash a year ago because it removed Google Maps with Apple Maps that was obviously not ready for prime time. In addition, there were numerous bugs in how it interacted with Exchange servers that took nearly two months for Apple and Microsoft to figure out. It also caused noticeable battery drain. Now supposedly so many people want to go back to this "perfect" iOS.

The "backlash," to the extent it is real, is likely just because of natural resistance to change. In a few weeks, iOS 7 will be the "new normal" as it becomes more familiar and the old look fades from memory. Had iOS looked like this in 2007, and this year's update added skeumorphic imagery throughout the user interface we'd be hearing loud cries from the same small contingent about how Apple "messed up" the device and has resorted to "gimmicks" like fancy graphics to hide a lack of innovation.

People complained that iOS had gotten stale and fell behind in functionality. Apple addressed both of those while keeping most of the basic user interface elements the same. Contrast this with Android where even going to a different manufacturer running the same version can be challenging because they customize it so much. My dad recently upgraded from a Motorola phone running Gingerbread to an HTC One running Jelly Bean, and between HTC's customizations and the underlying OS changes, it took about a month for him to get familiar with it. It probably takes a few days at most to get familiar with iOS 7.

 

[northernbaldy]

I'm happy with my free os update

 

[byke]

I'm happy with my free os update

Is it really free?
Or just a trade in with no chance of returns, even if it doesn't work.

 

[plainwhitetay]

All the "non-techies" I've talked to absolutely love iOS 7. They think it's great. The one complaint that I've heard is that it's so girly. So I guess Apple knows what it's doing while I and many others can easily see how terrible iOS 7 is. Personally, when people say they like it, I usually just try to stop the conversation with, "good. I'm glad you like it." No use arguing about it because there's no way to get iOS 6 back. But I'll be hanging on to iOS 6 for as long as possible.

 

[sviato]

Everyone I know loves the update. Girls, specifically, were ecstatic when it was released.

You expect people at bars and clubs to analyze ios with you? I've been asked what I think about it and all I said was that I liked it. There's no further need to justify it and I'm not going to try to convince you that you'd love it too. There are bugs and inconvenient things but they'll likely get worked out.

Also I wouldn't call buying a certain company's products as loyalty

 

[AppleRobert]

What I get when I ask about whether or not they like iOS 7 has curiously been the same exact reply, "I don't know yet".

 

[wiredup72]

The vast majority just want it to work and do cool things. I haven't heard a peep out of my wife, so it must be working well enough so far.

 

[northernbaldy]

Is it really free?
Or just a trade in with no chance of returns, even if it doesn't work.

You didn't have to pay anything for the update and you didn't have to update if you didn't want to

If you bought a new phone with 7 pre-installed, well, that's what you get with the new phones

There are alternatives

 

[al1cre]

I think it's important to remember that yes, Apple has a lot of work to do to make IOS 7 perfect, but as loyalists we look for problems and by looking for them we notice them. The average consumer out there who doesn't use these forums are just happy that it works and isn't too much of a change and they don't feel the need to the complain. I know there will be some who don't like it, but on the whole I think there are many people that are happy with this and it can only get better.

I'm responding to a few things...the idea of "loyalist," the whole iOS6 vs iOS7, and the whole culture. I don't respond often, so please let me drop one and I'll probably go back into the background, ok?

I have an iPhone, iPad (my second), and in iMac. I like Apple products (some more than others). When it's time to upgrade I look at what Apple offers and what others offer and make my choice then. I feel no overwhelming need to be loyal to Apple or any other brand. The device must meet my needs. It's just a device. It can be useful. It can be fun. It's not a way of life.

As to iOS7. I keep hearing "Once you get used to it, you'll love it." If you don't start loving it you're not a true loyalist and not worthy be one of "us"? Loyal to whom? Jobs preferred the old look. Is someone betraying their "loyalty" to Steve Jobs by liking the new look? That's silly. It is what it is.

I personally think the new UI is somewhat flat and lifeless, but so what? The purpose of the OS is to run apps, not to be considered an app itself. An OS is not supposed to be the focus of attention. It has a shiny new coat of paint on it. The new icons are different. They're still just pictures within a rounded rectangle. Sir Ive has a different sense of aesthetics and he had a chance to dictate his preference...that's all. Icons are the menu, not the meal. If you spend most of the time looking at the icons, then your device is a toy and you like the new icons because it makes your toy feel new and shiny.

I don't like the new calendar. Am I required to like it or will I be dismissed as an Apple hater/heretic? No, I won't learn to love the new look. I'm free to use another calendar app and that's fine with me. Am I "disloyal" for wanting something else?

I still don't understand why there is an "Either you with us or against us" mentality. Apple makes products. Some people prefer them, others don't. Some prefer the newer version or the smaller version or some other aspect. Each product...hardware or app should be viewed in the light of what you need it to do. You shouldn't be expected to warp your needs to what Apple provides. Apple makes some very nice things. It it meets your needs, great. If not, pick something else. If someone makes a different choice, it's not an insult to you.

Apple is not a religion.

 

[kappaknight]

I have never had so many people ask me how to rollback to IOS 6 due to unhappiness with their device.

Probably cause it looks different. If it had looked like iOS 6, but upgraded under the covers, then they would have never knew it was different.

 

[Carlanga]

Is it really free?
Or just a trade in with no chance of returns, even if it doesn't work.

It's free period.
That sentence doesn't quite work. And, need I remind you, that you had to click to actually update it, no one made you click... if you didn't want to update you didn't have to.

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TS that is all fine and dandy, but we are in a subforum to talk about the OS. If you don't like the talk then don't open the iOS7 subforum.

 

[oplix]

it's because 99% of Apple users are sheep who will use whatever they are told without any critical thinking of their own to assess weather or not something is good or bad.

 

[munakib]

it's because 99% of Apple users are sheep who will use whatever they are told without any critical thinking of their own to assess weather or not something is good or bad.

I disagree, those 99% Apple users dont care about the OS as much as you and I do - so I wont call them sheeps. For them, iOs7 just looks funky and different because only thing they use it for is facebook/instagram/dots/making phone calls/sending & receiving email.

True geeks & freaks who like to customize, tinkering around are the people who are lurking here at macrumors. So yes I feel iOS7 was a let down and a really awful looking/incomplete OS but I am open to accept that many of you Love it and majority like it.

Jony ive wont bow down and give in, its his lil baby and he will drive it home no matter what. The silver lining is that, iOS7 being so annoying to a few of us, it might bring back some life to the Jailbreak community again.

 

[mrgraff]

Getting something for free doesn't waive your right to criticize (constructive or otherwise), complain, or point out flaws.

 

[blackhand1001]

There clearly are some pretty big issues with iOS 7 that people causes a lot of people to complain. You didn't here nexus users complaining about android 4.0 when it came out and it was an even bigger change than iOS7. Android 4.0 was pretty much universally praised for its interface.

 

[Armen]

When I go out and about, wether it's at Uni or bars/clubs or even round to flat mates, there are many MANY people running IOS 7 and when I ask them what do they think they just reply with "yeah, it's alright" and move on. They don't spend time talking to me or others about how they like/don't like it or it's features or anything like that, and I think this is because it suits there needs and they don't feel the need to complain. We - as loyalists - have attention to detail and are passionate about this stuff, but that's because we love technology and want the best every time, where as others whom we don't see on these forums are just happy to have something that helps peoples lives and just works.

I think it's important to remember that yes, Apple has a lot of work to do to make IOS 7 perfect, but as loyalists we look for problems and by looking for them we notice them. The average consumer out there who doesn't use these forums are just happy that it works and isn't too much of a change and they don't feel the need to the complain. I know there will be some who don't like it, but on the whole I think there are many people that are happy with this and it can only get better.

So I guess what I am trying to say is, is that we should take a step back, take ios 7 out of the microscope for a second and appreciate what it's trying to do and how it's trying to enrich peoples lives (which has always been apples mission statement). It's trying to look to look modern, it's trying to look more vibrant and fun while still looking like a smart and capable device ( which I think it succeeds) but above all else, it's trying to be familiar. There are speed issues , crash issues and even big issue like iMessage, but I think once these are all ironed out everybody will learn to love Ios 7 and look back on these days as nostalgic.

Have faith and patience and don't give up on Apple!

P.S, this was suppose to be a lot shorter then how it turned out

What you experienced is what I experience. The REAL WORLD. The people complaining and bitching and whining about every little detail of iOS 7 are the users in this and other forums who can't seem to find anything else to do or somehow believe that Apple is waiting for their feedback.

 

[tripleg]

Both the wife and daughter upgraded. Number one complaint continues to be the ugly blurry dock. I know a few other people that upgraded and they agree about the dock. All of them want it transparent.

I continue to use iOS6 and it definitely looks better compared to theirs. I did not get a chance to downgrade my wifes phone before Apple took away the option and she is not happy. Keeps threatening to upgrade my iPhone in retaliation.

 

[Armen]

Both the wife and daughter upgraded. Number one complaint continues to be the ugly blurry dock. I know a few other people that upgraded and they agree about the dock. All of them want it transparent.

I continue to use iOS6 and it definitely looks better compared to theirs. I did not get a chance to downgrade my wifes phone before Apple took away the option and she is not happy. Keeps threatening to upgrade my iPhone in retaliation.

Haha that is something my wife would have threatened me with but she actually likes iOS 7 more than 6 so I'm in the clear.