I found a G4 MDD 1.42Ghz in a Dumpster. Now what?

Nice find! Good on you for giving it a new beginning.

It would have ended up in a landfill which is the ultimate crime. I love Macs and have been a fanboy for 25 years and this is one of those "MacMall catalogue" Macs I drooled over when I was a kid and to be able to own one now seems insane. I'm REALLY excited.

OP, give this sucker a great life (which I can tell you're already doing). :)

Absolutely. the main area I'm struggling with is PCI expansions. What out there fits this thing and is worth purchasing? Is there a gigabit ethernet card or USB 2 card that would work?
 
It would have ended up in a landfill which is the ultimate crime. I love Macs and have been a fanboy for 25 years and this is one of those "MacMall catalogue" Macs I drooled over when I was a kid and to be able to own one now seems insane. I'm REALLY excited.

Keep us updated!
 
Absolutely. the main area I'm struggling with is PCI expansions. What out there fits this thing and is worth purchasing? Is there a gigabit ethernet card or USB 2 card that would work?

Other users would be more adept at answering this question than me.

Part of me is still trying to figure that out...
 
Absolutely. the main area I'm struggling with is PCI expansions. What out there fits this thing and is worth purchasing? Is there a gigabit ethernet card or USB 2 card that would work?

Yes, just make sure the USB 2 card has a TI or NEC chip and you're good to go. Belkin did the goto for the USB2 card, the F5U220 but any other decent card will work. Just remember that under OS9 a USB2 card will prevent your MDD from going to sleep.

My MDD is a bit weird. I cannot get either the onboard NIC nor any other ethernet card to work, so cannot advise you on that but Gb lan is supported under PPC so there are a few cards you can try. You can also add extra FW ports or a 802.11n PCI card, like the NewerTech MaxPower 802.11n or similar.

 
ive got one of these, how loud is yours? they are nick named Wind tunnels for a reason. :) nice find.
 
ive got one of these, how loud is yours? they are nick named Wind tunnels for a reason. :) nice find.

That's why is going to go in my workspace in the basement. in the office, it was insanely loud. How did people work all day with one of these?
 
That's why is going to go in my workspace in the basement. in the office, it was insanely loud. How did people work all day with one of these?

There were discussions online a while back that Apple apparently fumbled with these models in that one of its fans were shipped facing the wrong way. It's supposed to massively quiet down if the problem fan is flipped to face the other way. Maybe the main system fan, as it's the largest?

I actually had to do the same for my Blue and White G3. Its only fan was blowing ambient air inside the case instead of out. Similar scenario for another Pentium !!! machine I've got.

By the way, as you are now a proud owner of the best damn G4 ever released, you may find this thread an interesting read...

 
There were discussions online a while back that Apple apparently fumbled with these models in that one of its fans were shipped facing the wrong way. It's supposed to massively quiet down if the problem fan is flipped to face the other way. Maybe the main system fan, as it's the largest?

I actually had to do the same for my Blue and White G3. Its only fan was blowing ambient air inside the case instead of out. Similar scenario for another Pentium !!! machine I've got.

By the way, as you are now a proud owner of the best damn G4 ever released, you may find this thread an interesting read...


That excessive noise was caused by a defective power supply unit design , apparently . Strangely , I never noticed this noise issue with any MDD that came into my shop . But a lot of audio editors thought it was serious enough to convince Apple to release a PSU replacement kit as a way of mitigating the noise concerns . If the OP needs to swap out his PSU , here's how to do this :

 
In your guys opinions, would it hurt to replace one or all of the case fans? or maybe the PSU fan? We're talking about a machine that may have been running thousands of hours. I know how fans sound when they're failing and these sound fine they're just loud but fans are cheap and the connectors look pretty standard.
 
I wouldn't bother with the trouble. If it was my machine, I'd keep the fans stock. That way, it not only looks like an MDD, but sounds like one too. ;)

Maybe lubricate their bearings and clean any caked dust if you can. I've had good results from that.
 
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In your guys opinions, would it hurt to replace one or all of the case fans? or maybe the PSU fan? We're talking about a machine that may have been running thousands of hours. I know how fans sound when they're failing and these sound fine they're just loud but fans are cheap and the connectors look pretty standard.

When I rebuild workstations , I perform complete tear downs . One of the operations I'll perform is to wash all the system fans with distilled water and carefully shake them to free any loose water drops . Then I let them dry - it can take two or three days . You want those fans free of dust . You want the entire System free of dust , too . Dust and failing cooling materials are the leading reasons of a System failure .

Apple used high quality case fans for the PMG4s - enterprise grade . And they rarely fail after the first week of being brand new .

In my shop , I have bins of pre-cleaned , dried and verified working parts ready to install ASAP , to reduce a client's down time of a repair , upgrade or overhaul job . Not many ppl will have this as an option ...
 
Absolutely. the main area I'm struggling with is PCI expansions. What out there fits this thing and is worth purchasing? Is there a gigabit ethernet card or USB 2 card that would work?
Big congrats on saving this Mac from the landfill and giving it new life! I love my MDD as well.

The MDD G4s all have base 10/100/1000 Ethernet built in, so you shouldn't need a Gigabit card unless you want a second port for server use or something similar.
 
Big congrats on saving this Mac from the landfill and giving it new life! I love my MDD as well.

The MDD G4s all have base 10/100/1000 Ethernet built in, so you shouldn't need a Gigabit card unless you want a second port for server use or something similar.

pikapika , pikachu !

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In your guys opinions, would it hurt to replace one or all of the case fans? or maybe the PSU fan? We're talking about a machine that may have been running thousands of hours. I know how fans sound when they're failing and these sound fine they're just loud but fans are cheap and the connectors look pretty standard.

I did it with the SilenX Fan and the Everflow fans mentioned in this post:


and a fuller article with pictures:


The SilenX is hard to source cheaply in Europe with German eBay being the best bet and where I got mine but plenty in the US for less than $20. The Everflow fans just happened to come up on eBay cheaply when I was looking. They may be trickier to find and probably will help with the noise reduction more as the stock fans have a bit of constant drone.

To be honest, I don't think I have ever heard my MDD go into warjet mode as I did the mod soon after acquisition. There were so many posts on all the forums complaining about the noise that I treated it as just routine maintenance you end up doing as an owner.
 
I mean, can one use it like one would use Catalina - internet surfing, etc ?
Well no, of course not. But then, neither are Tiger or Leopard, not really. While Tenfourfox and related projects are keeping the light on, things like Youtube are a struggle. That said, there is a lot of software that never made the leap to OSX. Some never even made it away from the Motorola 68k. And, even the stuff that made it to OSX during the transition tended to be carbon instead of rebuilt completely from scratch.

Even if it was rebuilt from scratch, if an App made it all the way from OS 9.2.2 to 10.0, if it's not in active development now, even if it somehow made it to 32-bit x86, it's not going to be 64-bit. Apple keeps on leaving very good software stuck in the past, and personally, nothing really beats real hardware at reaching back into the past.

With fairly recent developments, QEMU can run OS 9.2 and 10.4, maybe even 10.5, but without a gpu, and generally without sound. Sheepshaver looks to be more or less done being developed, but that only gets you to 9.0, and again, without a gpu.

Personally speaking, I keep my eMac running 10.4 for the most part, and my PMG5 running 10.5. The eMac is too slow to even really try to do much that is modern, but it's all worth it for that wonderful CRT. My PMG5 is surprisingly capable, even if it's just a 2.0ghz dual cpu model. But whatever future it's going to have getting online is really in the form of linux. It's a 64-bit system, and that seems to give it options that a G4 doesn't have.

And yet, I wish it supported Jaguar. Earlier models did, and 10.2 had a better implementation of classic support, from everything I've read and tested on my eMac, it seems to simply runs classic apps more or less perfectly.

At the end of the day, there just isn't a perfect mac. It all comes down to what you want to run. Even if my PMG5 offered me the support I wanted, there'd still be about 10-15 years worth of software made after the transition that it will never see. 10.5 can't even access iCloud natively. Its version of Safari is painfully ancient, and while there is a 3rd party upgrade, that's horribly unstable. There's absolutely no support for 3rd party internet services, not unless I count "using a web browser to reach them" as support.

But I got it because there were just so many games mocking me with their need for a G5, or even just something running faster than a 700mhz G4. Anything else was extra.
 
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