I guess there won't be an Intel upgrade to the 16" anymore?

[SparkyCanada]

Any new updates on this?

Getting ready to purchase a MBP 16” - and would hate to miss a final refresh of this machine...

Thanks

SparkyCanada

 

[pshufd]

Any new updates on this?

Getting ready to purchase a MBP 16” - and would hate to miss a final refresh of this machine...

Thanks

SparkyCanada

I think that Apple is playing it by ear. M1X is likely almost a year away. Tiger Lake isn't useful because they are only shipping quad-cores. Rocket Lake uses too much power. Is Intel going to ship any other mobile chips that would be suitable for the MBP 16? I don't know. If not, then it would just be 10th generation again.

 

[SparkyCanada]

I think that Apple is playing it by ear. M1X is likely almost a year away. Tiger Lake isn't useful because they are only shipping quad-cores. Rocket Lake uses too much power. Is Intel going to ship any other mobile chips that would be suitable for the MBP 16? I don't know. If not, then it would just be 10th generation again.

Thanks for your insight on this pshufd...

I get the impression that if there is an upgrade to this machine - it probably won't revolutionize this laptop...

I need to get a machine with more RAM as I'm currently running out with my Late 2013 MBP. I currently have 16 GB RAM and keep getting messages that I'm running out of RAM. Using it for audio and some video - so was planning on loading up the MBP with 64 GB RAM and moving on... and the AMD Radeon Pro 5600M with 8GB of HBM2 memory

Thanks again,

SparkyCanada

 

[pshufd]

Thanks for your insight on this pshufd...

I get the impression that if there is an upgrade to this machine - it probably won't revolutionize this laptop...

I need to get a machine with more RAM as I'm currently running out with my Late 2013 MBP. I currently have 16 GB RAM and keep getting messages that I'm running out of RAM. Using it for audio and some video - so was planning on loading up the MBP with 64 GB RAM and moving on... and the AMD Radeon Pro 5600M with 8GB of HBM2 memory

Thanks again,

SparkyCanada

I have a hard time seeing anything new from Intel while they are stuck on 14 nm.

I have been casually shopping for the i7-10700k iMac. The nice thing about that is you can buy your own RAM and slap it in with a screwdriver. You can put at least 128 GB of RAM in it. The cheapest 16 with 64 GB is $3,199. The i7-10700k 27 inch iMac with 6-core CPU is $1,799 and you can add 64 GB of DDR4 for $250 to get to 70 GB of RAM. You also get a very nice 5k 27 inch display. The iMac also has great GPU options.

You obviously lose mobility though.

It is very, very hard for me to look at the MBP 16 knowing that the M1X is a year away.

 

[SparkyCanada]

I have a hard time seeing anything new from Intel while they are stuck on 14 nm.

I have been casually shopping for the i7-10700k iMac. The nice thing about that is you can buy your own RAM and slap it in with a screwdriver. You can put at least 128 GB of RAM in it. The cheapest 16 with 64 GB is $3,199. The i7-10700k 27 inch iMac with 6-core CPU is $1,799 and you can add 64 GB of DDR4 for $250 to get to 70 GB of RAM. You also get a very nice 5k 27 inch display. The iMac also has great GPU options.

You obviously lose mobility though.

It is very, very hard for me to look at the MBP 16 knowing that the M1X is a year away.

Good points pshufd...

I do like the mobility factor of a laptop - as I can take it on the road and use it in other places...

In terms of the M1X upgrade... wondering what your thoughts are in terms of the ability to increase RAM? It seems my challenges these days are not so much horsepower - but the availability of RAM - which is why I'm considering the Intel option now with the 64 GB RAM.... I noticed that currently there are limited RAM upgrades available for the new M1 laptops

Thanks,

SparkyCanada

 

[JosepPont]

can add 64 GB of DDR4 for $250 to get to 70 GB of RAM

Indeed!

It is very, very hard for me to look at the MBP 16 knowing that the M1X is a year away.

For me too, the only thing is that i'm still need to use some Windows industrial apps (TIA portal, Factory io, ABB robotstudio) that are not tested with crossover/wine. I feel the same about the Intel processors knowing the AS performance but I cannot renunce Windows in some points. Also gaming is a headache still with 5600 for runs games like flight simulator 2020 specially in VR.

I'm thinking a possible solution is build a gaming PC able to run Flight Simulator in VR (RTX 3080ti or 3090) and install the apps that I need in it and try to do something like remote desktop from a Mac with a cheaper AS MBP (cheaper than a MBP 16 with 5600 I mean) and see how it works but IDK if it is possible.

 

[pshufd]

Good points pshufd...

I do like the mobility factor of a laptop - as I can take it on the road and use it in other places...

In terms of the M1X upgrade... wondering what your thoughts are in terms of the ability to increase RAM? It seems my challenges these days are not so much horsepower - but the availability of RAM - which is why I'm considering the Intel option now with the 64 GB RAM.... I noticed that currently there are limited RAM upgrades available for the new M1 laptops

Thanks,

SparkyCanada

My post was incorrect - the i7-10700K is $2,299. The 6-core cheaper iMac has a different model number.

I think that Apple will provide 32 GB and 64 GB options when they replace the Intel MBP 16. I think that they don't want you to feel that you are losing anything. Apple is still offering the Intel MacBook Pro and Mini if the customer requires more RAM or more displays.

 

[pshufd]

Indeed!

For me too, the only thing is that i'm still need to use some Windows industrial apps (TIA portal, Factory io, ABB robotstudio) that are not tested with crossover/wine. I feel the same about the Intel processors knowing the AS performance but I cannot renunce Windows in some points. Also gaming is a headache still with 5600 for runs games like flight simulator 2020 specially in VR.

I'm thinking a possible solution is build a gaming PC able to run Flight Simulator in VR (RTX 3080ti or 3090) and install the apps that I need in it and try to do something like remote desktop from a Mac with a cheaper AS MBP (cheaper than a MBP 16 with 5600 I mean) and see how it works but IDK if it is possible.

I'd suggest using Synergy which is what I'm doing right now. I'm typing this on a 2015 MacBook Pro 15 but the mouse and keyboard are hooked up to a Late 2009 iMac 27. There's also a 2008 Dell XPS in this cluster running Windows 10. So I have three monitors and one keyboard and mouse. The iMac is in the middle. If I move the mouse to the right, I'm on the 2015 MacBook Pro. If I move it to the left, I'm on the Windows 10 system. So it feels like I have Windows and macOS on the same system. Cut and past work across the systems. I understand that the latest version of Synergy supports copying files across systems but I'm using the free version.

 

[JosepPont]

I'd suggest using Synergy which is what I'm doing right now. I'm typing this on a 2015 MacBook Pro 15 but the mouse and keyboard are hooked up to a Late 2009 iMac 27. There's also a 2008 Dell XPS in this cluster running Windows 10. So I have three monitors and one keyboard and mouse. The iMac is in the middle. If I move the mouse to the right, I'm on the 2015 MacBook Pro. If I move it to the left, I'm on the Windows 10 system. So it feels like I have Windows and macOS on the same system. Cut and past work across the systems. I understand that the latest version of Synergy supports copying files across systems but I'm using the free version.

Wow, didn't know that! thanks, but what I want to do is acces remotely from MacOS to Windows and show it windowed, like a virtual machine but a remote machine. I want that way because I'm professor and the top will be if I can access from the college to my Windows desktop allocated in home and run that programs remotely and show that to the students

 

[pshufd]

Wow, didn't know that! thanks, but what I want to do is acces remotely from MacOS to Windows and show it windowed, like a virtual machine but a remote machine. I want that way because I'm professor and the top will be if I can access from the college to my Windows desktop allocated in home and run that programs remotely and show that to the students

I have tried that and it's kind of okay and that's on GB Ethernet.

That's how we worked in my previous job. A system could be anywhere in the world and we would use VNC to get into it and work on that system. I think that it would be really great with 2.5GB Ethernet but 1GB is okay. Another option is a macOS Virtual Machine running on a Windows system. Performance there is better than screen sharing (VNC) but video is also laggy. So lots of solutions, each with drawbacks. The best is always to buy a fast, well-configured Mac.

 

[mdgm]

I have been casually shopping for the i7-10700k iMac. The nice thing about that is you can buy your own RAM and slap it in with a screwdriver. You can put at least 128 GB of RAM in it. The cheapest 16 with 64 GB is $3,199. The i7-10700k 27 inch iMac with 6-core CPU is $1,799 and you can add 64 GB of DDR4 for $250 to get to 70 GB of RAM. You also get a very nice 5k 27 inch display. The iMac also has great GPU options.

With the 2020 iMac mixing Apple RAM with 3rd party RAM has led to poor performance. Best to use one or the other. So if putting in 64GB RAM you should take out the Apple RAM and store it in a safe place. The iMac is nice but it's not nearly as portable as the MBP.

I'm hoping for one more Intel 16" MBP refresh or if not that that the Intel 16" MBP will remain available for a little while after the Apple Silicon ones are released.

 

[pshufd]

With the 2020 iMac mixing Apple RAM with 3rd party RAM has led to poor performance. Best to use one or the other. So if putting in 64GB RAM you should take out the Apple RAM and store it in a safe place. The iMac is nice but it's not nearly as portable as the MBP.

I'm hoping for one more Intel 16" MBP refresh or if not that that the Intel 16" MBP will remain available for a little while after the Apple Silicon ones are released.

Thanks. I have a Late 2009 iMac 27 and added 8 GB to the stock 4. I later replaced the 4 with another 8 and it's running fine (free memory). I haven't been following the iMac forum (I usually follow the MacBook Pro forum).

 

[richinaus]

I have tried that and it's kind of okay and that's on GB Ethernet.

That's how we worked in my previous job. A system could be anywhere in the world and we would use VNC to get into it and work on that system. I think that it would be really great with 2.5GB Ethernet but 1GB is okay. Another option is a macOS Virtual Machine running on a Windows system. Performance there is better than screen sharing (VNC) but video is also laggy. So lots of solutions, each with drawbacks. The best is always to buy a fast, well-configured Mac.

I tend to agree, there are a lot of solutions but also a lot of compromises.
For me if I need windows [and I do] it is a decent desktop for heavy work and will review VNC for remote light work. If VNC is no good I will get a NUC for WFH situations [never again will I buy a laptop with an x86 chip in it].

For the OP though, I have a maxed out 2019 MBP 16” and it is great. No issues at all with it except it will get hot on the underside so best used for desk only.

 

[Merkava_4]

I predict an M1 16-inch by June.

 

[richinaus]

I predict an M1 16-inch by June.

I think this is 99% guaranteed and will most likely be the highest priority Mac.
It needs to come out considering it is now a 2019 model with no decent intel chips to update with.

 

[rawweb]

Any new updates on this?

Getting ready to purchase a MBP 16” - and would hate to miss a final refresh of this machine...

Thanks

SparkyCanada

I think the fact that Apple released the 5600m, a very substantial upgrade in June 2020 without a model/cpu bump is indicative of the fact that Intel had nothing to offer them, as others have pointed out.

For what it's worth, I picked up a maxed out 16" in December from the  Refurbished store and couldn't be happier. This thing plows through my 4k editing and effects workflows and is pretty fun in Windows during off time with the 5600m. With 64gb of ram it's pretty amazing what you can do with this machine. Within a week of owning it I sold my maxed out 2013 12-c Mac Pro as this is truly a desktop replacement for me. The performance is stunning. The sound quality shocked me and the magic keyboard is fantastic. The Retina display is breathtaking and it pairs beautifully with my 5k Ultrafine (can't believe I used it at 4k for so many years with the MacPro). I'm quite happy to own this for the next 2-4 years while the M processors and Apps mature.

On a side note the slimmer bezel that came out a year ago with the 16" is wonderful. I read a lot of people want a redesign but this really feels perfected. Having once owned all generations of MacBook Pro and PowerBooks of yesterday, I feel like they worked hard to refine the 2016 design with this 2019 variant. It has elements I missed from my favorite 17" 2011, and all the sleek features of the 2016. So far, this is the best MacBook I've ever owned. I owned a 2016 and 2017 and had 3 or 4 keyboard replacements between the two. The introduction of this magic keyboard is...for me...joyous. I feel like I can type again. I must say the separated escape and Touch ID keys are also wonderful. So glad they made adjustments. For the first time in almost 5 years I'm finally not as bothered with the Touch Bar, and I haven't accidentally activated Siri at all, lol. Just my .02, take it for what it's worth.

 

[pdoherty]

Hopefully:


It could be that Apple wanted to rush their M1 Macs out the door before Christmas as they couldn’t get New 11th generation Tiger lake Intel chips before Christmas, and so the Intel versions will be a silent update in early 2021.


Or


Cripple the intel Macs.


They could have decided never to update the high end Macs by keeping only very Old 8th and 10th generation intel Macs making their M1 Macs look much better….


?

They didn’t need to do that; the M1 Macs are running all over Intel laptops (including i7 and i9 ones) from all manufacturers.

 

[pshufd]

They didn’t need to do that; the M1 Macs are running all over Intel laptops (including i7 and i9 ones) from all manufacturers.

Lots of reviews of Tiger Lake vs M1 laptops - they point out the benefits of some of these other laptops. But that's after an implicit acknowledgment that the M1 kicks the crap out of everyone in terms of performance and performance per watt.

 

[richinaus]

Lots of reviews of Tiger Lake vs M1 laptops - they point out the benefits of some of these other laptops. But that's after an implicit acknowledgment that the M1 kicks the crap out of everyone in terms of performance and performance per watt.

There is no real point at all in Apple upgrading the current 16" Intel further. Its not worth it, and as being said the 5600m model is in fact a superb laptop if you need windows also [It spanked a 10th Gen HP Zbook workstation in nearly all ways except GPU performance when I compared].

The next M 14/16" MBP are certainly going to be awesome computers, and I will be getting one. But if you need a laptop right now I wouldn't be concerned about buying the current 16" [5600m only]. The only negative is it gets quite warm on the lap, but is great to use on a desk. I agree with all the points @rawweb made earlier.

 

[pshufd]

There is no real point at all in Apple upgrading the current 16" Intel further. Its not worth it, and as being said the 5600m model is in fact a superb laptop if you need windows also [It spanked a 10th Gen HP Zbook workstation in nearly all ways except GPU performance when I compared].

The next M 14/16" MBP are certainly going to be awesome computers, and I will be getting one. But if you need a laptop right now I wouldn't be concerned about buying the current 16" [5600m only]. The only negative is it gets quite warm on the lap, but is great to use on a desk. I agree with all the points @rawweb made earlier.

There's nothing to upgrade to from Intel. I had a look at an Intel roadmap for two years and I didn't see anything on Mobile beyond what they currently have. Is Intel's next mobile chip a 2022 story?

 

[richinaus]

There's nothing to upgrade to from Intel. I had a look at an Intel roadmap for two years and I didn't see anything on Mobile beyond what they currently have. Is Intel's next mobile chip a 2022 story?

so what was the i9 10th gen chip in the Zbook I got [and returned]?

Intel® CoreTM i9-10885H with Intel® UHD Graphics (2.4 GHz base frequency, up to 5.3 GHz with Intel® Turbo Boost Technology, 16 MB L3 cache, 8 cores), supports Intel® vPro® Technology

 

[pshufd]

so what was the i9 10th gen chip in the Zbook I got [and returned]?

Intel® CoreTM i9-10885H with Intel® UHD Graphics (2.4 GHz base frequency, up to 5.3 GHz with Intel® Turbo Boost Technology, 16 MB L3 cache, 8 cores), supports Intel® vPro® Technology

That's their previous generation, 10th gen. They have an 11th generation chip on 10 nm but they can only make quad cores and you're not going to stick one of those in a MacBook Pro 16. Intel is seriously stuck on their mobile products. I think that you see the 11th gen in the XPS 13 and some other laptops but the 10th generation CPUs have a higher top end. So the best you're going to get from Intel is 10th gen 14nm. That has to be really unappealing for laptop manufacturers.

 

[richinaus]

That's their previous generation, 10th gen. They have an 11th generation chip on 10 nm but they can only make quad cores and you're not going to stick one of those in a MacBook Pro 16. Intel is seriously stuck on their mobile products. I think that you see the 11th gen in the XPS 13 and some other laptops but the 10th generation CPUs have a higher top end. So the best you're going to get from Intel is 10th gen 14nm. That has to be really unappealing for laptop manufacturers.

Yeah, but is the chip Apple could upgrade to [if they wanted] but there is no point, which is what I was trying to say before.

Intel CPU's are terrible in laptops, I won't be buying another. That Zbook was atrocious and an embarrassment to HP and Intel.